Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[Omni]

It's not about the "requirement" to get them.
It is about ease of transmission, and transmission rates.

Regardless of the variables at play, the statistics don't lie.

Straight black women are more afflicted by sexual infections than gay black men. You know who have the least sexual infections of all races, sexualities and ages? White lesbian women.

Homosexual sex doesn't in and of itself present a higher risk for contracting disease or disorder than does straight sex. If we get two couples, one straight and one gay, and one member of each couple has HIV, and both couples have unprotected sex for a month, all four of those people will end up HIV positive. It doesn't matter that one couple is straight or one is gay; it's about the unprotected​ part.

 

[Elysian]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

God is clearly saying even thou a person IS a Homosexual he CAN accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and enter into Heaven. Being a Homosexual will NOT keep you from entering into Heaven.

We are ALL washed and Sanctified by Jesus Christ! Even the homosexuals! So why are people down on this one sin only?

Perhaps people are repulsed by homosexuality rather than'' down on it'', 'some practices are like this they are simply repulsive to the human nature.However social engineering and media manipulation are trying to remove this natural instinct and it is working with people who do not have Godly guidance.

 

[Elysian]

Rubbish. This is absolute nonsense. Defending homosexuality is nothing more than a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

That just about sums it up oldhermit and in my opinion there is no difference between those who engage in it and those who stand in it's defense.

 

[Omni]

This thread is the product of the American public educational system.
They tell children "don't listen to what other people want you to be, just be yourself".
In this, they gain the trust of children, because all children are naturally naive yet rebellious.
The they tell the child exactly what they should be...

The boy says "No, I'm a boy". The teacher says "you don't know that yet. You are too young to make that choice. Don't you ever feel like a girl?"
Sick!!
This conversation literally happened in my class in 4th grade.

Gay is not natural.
Sin is natural.
Stop making excuses for sin.
You can't change the behaviour of unbelievers, but you can show them the mercy of Christ,
and you can throw sin out of the Assembly!
Don't let perversion minister within the Church.

Teachers should never tell kids they're too young to decide what gender they are, and if they do, they should be dismissed from their posts. Safeguards surrounding psychological inception and inappropriate suggestion do exist for teachers. In Ireland or the UK if a teacher said something like that to a child they'd be in hot water.

Aside from that, I'm offended by how recklessly you conflate, and dismiss the genuine nature of, homosexuality and transgenderism. Transgenderism is not homosexuality, for a start. Transgenderism is a medical condition in which a child feels, autonomously, like they are the wrong gender. The real condition presents spontaneously, without prior coercion. In a typical case of the condition, it is the child who first vocalizes their feelings.

"Mommy, I know I'm a boy, but I feel like a girl".

Now, you've shown that you're against teachers like the one you've described above in your post (whom I hope are few and far between) telling kids what they ought to be. But if a boy came to you and said "I feel like a girl", I think, from the tone of your post, that I can safely assume you'd have no problem with telling him what to be; "No! You're a boy! Don't be sinful!"

Invalidation AND gender dysphoria? That's a recipe for suicide if I ever saw one.

Let me tell you something. It's social ignorance that puts these kids in the impossible positions they end up in. The ignorance of the teacher you describe, and the ignorance of people who refuse to understand what they're talking about. Read a case-study of transgenderism, and at least try​ to have some empathy for these kids.

 

[LT]

Teachers should never tell kids they're too young to decide what gender they are, and if they do, they should be dismissed from their posts. Safeguards surrounding psychological inception and inappropriate suggestion do exist for teachers. In Ireland or the UK if a teacher said something like that to a child they'd be in hot water.

Aside from that, I'm offended by how recklessly you conflate, and dismiss the genuine nature of, homosexuality and transgenderism. Transgenderism is not homosexuality, for a start. Transgenderism is a medical condition in which a child feels, autonomously, like they are the wrong gender. The real condition presents spontaneously, without prior coercion. In a typical case of the condition, it is the child who first vocalizes their feelings.

"Mommy, I know I'm a boy, but I feel like a girl".

Now, you've shown that you're against teachers like the one you've described above in your post (whom I hope are few and far between) telling kids what they ought to be. But if a boy came to you and said "I feel like a girl", I think, from the tone of your post, that I can safely assume you'd have no problem with telling him what to be; "No! You're a boy! Don't be sinful!"

Invalidation AND gender dysphoria? That's a recipe for suicide if I ever saw one.

Let me tell you something. It's social ignorance that puts these kids in the impossible positions they end up in. The ignorance of the teacher you describe, and the ignorance of people who refuse to understand what they're talking about. Read a case-study of transgenderism, and at least try​ to have some empathy for these kids.

In US public schools, questioning one's gender is part of the sex-education curriculum.

There are two things that I was dealing with in my post, and you seemed to have mixed them together.

One is HOW we got into the situation at hand. Much of that is from false labels and pro-sin propaganda.
The second is our response to the situation: which is mercy upon unbelievers, while keeping ourselves separate (holy/sanctified/set apart).

Are you asking me to validate someone's sinful nature?
I will not validate them. I also will not put them down for it, but will show them love.
Just as I can love a habitual liar without validating their habit.

I don't label people by their sins, even if they "identify" themselves with the label.
No one is "gay". That's not a valid identity.
They are human, and flawed, just like the rest of us. It's not my job to change their behaviour. All I can do is show them Christ, and let the Spirit work on them.

HOWEVER, I can and should call out other believers who DO validate the sins of others. You need to turn your heart.
Jesus never excused sin. He forgave it, and called for them to repent.
No identity crisis, no judgement.

 

[Omni]

In US public schools, questioning one's gender is part of the sex-education curriculum.

Firstly, in the US, the educational curriculum differs between state and district. There's no centralized sex education cirriculum in the US, especially not one that teaches kids to "question their gender". You're making things up.

There are two things that I was dealing with in my post, and you seemed to have mixed them together.

One is HOW we got into the situation at hand. Much of that is from false labels and pro-sin propaganda.
The second is our response to the situation: which is mercy upon unbelievers, while keeping ourselves separate (holy/sanctified/set apart).

Are you asking me to validate someone's sinful nature?
I will not validate them. I also will not put them down for it, but will show them love.
Just as I can love a habitual liar without validating their habit.

I don't label people by their sins, even if they "identify" themselves with the label.
No one is "gay". That's not a valid identity.
They are human, and flawed, just like the rest of us. It's not my job to change their behaviour. All I can do is show them Christ, and let the Spirit work on them.

HOWEVER, I can and should call out other believers who DO validate the sins of others. You need to turn your heart.
Jesus never excused sin. He forgave it, and called for them to repent.
No identity crisis, no judgement.

Second, gender dysphoria isn't homosexuality.

People's self identities are always valid, whether you refuse to acknowledge them or not. I could as easily say your identity "Christian" or "sinner" is invalid, but then I'd just be a jerk. You're talking about it not being your job to change the "behaviour" of a gay or transgender person, yet your whole outlook is about invalidating them, telling them they're deluded or decieved, and "showing them Christ", which is really just a roundabout way of trying to change their behaviour.

 

[Galahad]

To me its wrong to hide your feelings and be ashamed because of religion. Put yourself before god. Would you rather accept yourself or be miserable pretending to be straight. And tbh who would choose to hated and discriminated?

"To me" You've set yourself as the standard of morality. What qualifies you as a standard to follow? Remember this can also be said, "To me homosexuals ought to be imprisoned."

"wrong to hide your feelings" Remember, lots of people do hide their feelings. Why? Because they care about people. Sometimes Christians have feelings of anger. Anger toward sin. So if they did not "hide" their feelings, a lot of homosexuals would be agitated. But Christians know God. And so Christians know to control their tongue. They don't stick their head out the car window and shout "You f**got, you're going to hell." Is such behavior caring. Of course not. But the feeling of anger against the sin has dominated.

"and be ashamed." To say "To me it is wrong to be ashamed because of religion" is one big truck load. It turns against itself. But here's the problem: You are full of yourself. You are. Remember, shame brings change. I am ashamed of my sin. I am ashamed of our country for allowing abortions. I am ashamed. Ashamed of my sin. Why? Because sin is a lie. It is deceptive.

A child lies to his mom. He will feel shame. The best thing to do is for him to run to mommy and say "Mom, I lied." In other words, I did something wrong. I can't fix it on my own. Here's what it is. You can help.

Until you get your mind off you and you and you, and become more objective in your thinking and find "What is truth?" you are lost. Lost in many ways. For that, I grieve.

 

[Patnubay]

Being gay is not a choice. I for one can confirm this. I never choose to be gay. I held it in for years before coming out. Tbh idk where people think its an abomination.

Assuming you are right, it is not your choice, but it is still your choice to do or not to do the desire you have. Whatever you decide on that desire will determine whether it is an abomination or not.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Being gay is not a choice. I for one can confirm this. I never choose to be gay. I held it in for years before coming out. Tbh idk where people think its an abomination.

With all due respect, your own psychoanalysis is undoubtedly as faulty as mine is, and I am a counselor/therapist working on his doctorate. I wouldn't dream of making any sweeping statements about how I got to be who I am. Suffice to say, as a Christian also, I am at odds with the APA on the mental health status of homosexuality.

There is no way for anyone to decisively say "I didn't have a choice" when he/she is unable to pick apart, without professional help, the multitude of factors that went into your choosing to adopt this lifestyle. Like many things in life, the behaviors we exhibit are the result not just of genetics -- there is no "pizza gene" for example, nor is there an "abject depression when I think of my mother" gene -- but life experience, parenting, socialization, and personality also provide input into the things we do.

For that matter, everything except breathing, drinking, and eating is a choice -- and even those can be selected against, if one really wants to do so. I wouldn't endorse the consequences, however.

 

[Magenta]

For that matter, everything except breathing, drinking, and eating is a choice -- and even those can be selected against, if one really wants to do so. I wouldn't endorse the consequences, however.

Fasting is supposed to be good for you

 

[Galahad]

ATTENTION VILIGANT WARRIOR

(Dr.) VW, can you clarify this,

There is no way for anyone to decisively say "I didn't have a choice" when he/she is unable to pick apart, without professional help, the multitude of factors that went into your choosing to adopt this lifestyle.

Just don't know what you are saying there.

Moving on to the next question.

If a patient says, "Dr. VW I'm a homosexual. I did not choose to be. Just always desired the same sex and never the opposite. I know I was born this way..."
Are you saying he is wrong, and that he was not born with the desire? Other than God, who would know better than the patient himself?

Just seeking clarity.

Concerning the no pizza gene...

There's also Gino's Pizza throughout California. Oh no, California! For sure it ain't a gene thing. Maybe jean, though.

 

[Galahad]

Front desk: "Sorry Mr. Galahad, but Dr. VW is with a patient at this moment. Would you like to wait or reschedule another appointment?"

Galahad: "I'm not a patient of his. I need some clarification."

Front desk: "Ha, ha, ha. Mr. Galahad, I understand. You have nothing to be embarrassed about. Now just sit down. I'm sure he's almost done. He's diagnosing a patient who is attracted to, well...uhm, I better not say."

Galahad: "I gots to know. Tell me. Whisper it."

Front desk: "Alright. But you can't laugh."

Galahad: "Just shut up and tell me."

Front desk: "Dr. VW will see you now."

Galahad: "NOOOOOO. TELL ME. I GOTS TO KNOW. PLEASE, I'M BEGGIN YOU."

 

[Patnubay]

Ok Mr oldhermit why don't you prove the proven tests wrong and be gay? Since you said you can choose then do it. Prove me and many other people wrong.

If you really believe that you have no choice about your sexual desire and that you and your actions should be tolerated by the society, could you in good conscience accept those people who claim that their desire is similar to yours, the Pedophiles?
Could you sincerely tolerate, dine, live , worship and accept a person whose sexual desire is for children?

Could you accept their claim that they do not have a choice on the object of their desire?

 

[Elysian]

technically gay means happy .... so it all depends what interpretation of the word you chose
to me gay= homosexual , whether you only feel it or live it.

To me gay= happy....because homosexuality is a morbid condition and homosexuals are far from happy in so many ways and will just continue to be so,it eats them up.

 

[Elysian]

With all due respect, your own psychoanalysis is undoubtedly as faulty as mine is, and I am a counselor/therapist working on his doctorate. I wouldn't dream of making any sweeping statements about how I got to be who I am. Suffice to say, as a Christian also, I am at odds with the APA on the mental health status of homosexuality.

There is no way for anyone to decisively say "I didn't have a choice" when he/she is unable to pick apart, without professional help, the multitude of factors that went into your choosing to adopt this lifestyle. Like many things in life, the behaviors we exhibit are the result not just of genetics -- there is no "pizza gene" for example, nor is there an "abject depression when I think of my mother" gene -- but life experience, parenting, socialization, and personality also provide input into the things we do.

For that matter, everything except breathing, drinking, and eating is a choice -- and even those can be selected against, if one really wants to do so. I wouldn't endorse the consequences, however.[/QUOTE

Exactly, It is a clear fact that in most cases the only actions we perform which are not choices are dreams and bodily functions,however if you are a Tibetan monk even these actions come into question. But I think this guy is speaking of feelings rather than outright homosexuality in which case he needs reprogramming just like a computer which starts by not feeding the tendency.He needs to see all of the positive aspects of heterosexuality along with the spiritual dangers of choosing a homosexual lifestyle.if one thinks homo, straight or anything else for long enough they will become it,but most importantly this guy needs Jesus Christ as his Savior.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Fasting is supposed to be good for you

Up to the point you drop dead of starvation, sure. That's the "consequences" I was speaking of. Then again, fasting isn't starvation so ...

... when finding yourself in a hole, stop digging. <-- good self-advice

 

[Mitspa]

Ok Mr oldhermit why don't you prove the proven tests wrong and be gay? Since you said you can choose then do it. Prove me and many other people wrong.

lol .. he got you here Hermit... lol

 

[PartyOf3]

Yall are being set up, yall need to shake the dust from your shoes and move on

 

[Calmador]

I agree with the OP. You don't choose who you fall in love with.

you do choose what you do with the feelings though, just like all other people

I loved a non-christian girl. I've chosen not be with her because I love and chosen to love God a lot more.

Like you said, we can choose what to do with "our feelings" (I don't exactly believe love is a feeling... that's a tad degrading for what love is according to what 1 Corinthians 13 says about it)

 

[Apostol2013]

I mean most of gods sins are disregarded since most involve killing half the human species. To me the bible shouldn't reflect how you judge people.

You don't believe God's Word do you ? You know this is a Christian forum here we stand on God's word at least a believer of Christ would and those that willfully defy God's word are not His people as harsh as this sounds and have earned a one way ticket to sheol , I do not know what you are doing here this is a bible discussion forum