Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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same one who just got removed an hour ago as "sailormoonguardian" posting in the new member intros, IMO.
((those threads got removed))
immediately made a new account.
just a person who idolizes their libido & is religiously defending it.
crazy how you never see trolls who are up in arms about "being covetous is not a choice!" isn't it?
lusts of the flesh & lusts of the eyes produce different kinds of fruit, i guess. but it's the same kind in another sense - rotten, bitter, and bad for ones health.
((those threads got removed))
immediately made a new account.
just a person who idolizes their libido & is religiously defending it.
crazy how you never see trolls who are up in arms about "being covetous is not a choice!" isn't it?
lusts of the flesh & lusts of the eyes produce different kinds of fruit, i guess. but it's the same kind in another sense - rotten, bitter, and bad for ones health.
C
I can understand where Pinkie is coming from, honestly, and the desire to "defend" homosexuals. I am not justifying this position. Rather, I can understand because I have been there.
Every day, there are people struggling with same sex attraction who have also been brought up in the truth of God. They know and understand that acting on homosexuality is wrong. The world tells them and invites them to "accept themselves" and to have "love", while members of the church seem to denounce the person entirely. If you were struggling with self hate....which of the two would seem more inviting?
They might be told that they're not "christian enough" that they're not "praying enough," and the world tells them they are "born this way" and that the world "loves them for who they truly are". In turn, they ask, Why would God make me this way if it was wrong? Their next logical thinking patterns are that either A) God is cruel or B) God does not exist or C) The church is wrong about the bible and they need to get over it.
Those who cannot reconcile these things within themselves feel tormented! Some of them commit suicide over it. It's very, very tragic. This is one of the few struggles with sin where the individual takes on the sin as their identity. For example: one may say, "I have a gambling addiction" or " I don't always tell the truth." Whereas with same sex attraction it is " I am gay." They are defining themselves by this! And in fact...the world reinforces this mentality.
Can't you see, brothers and sisters, that unless we help them see the difference...they see a hatred against homosexual behavior as hatred of the person. Claiming that this struggle is "all in their head" fails to acknowledge their need for God's love. (We all* have this need). Whether the person was born with this struggle as a thorn in the flesh, or if placed on them by the powers of darkness, it does not matter. They are in this struggle and many of them are seeking Him.
We need to show them that even if this sin is a natural predisposition(inborn) that they do not have to feel enslaved by it. There is freedom in Christ! While it may not mean that they suddenly develop heterosexual desires, it may also be that God gives them the strength to refrain and run from lust (as is my case). We need to show those who struggle with this sin that, just like heterosexuals, they too are asked to refrain.
There is danger in coming to this issue armed with anger, because as I said earlier, many of those who struggle with same sex attraction wear this sin as their identity. Proceed with caution and love.
Every day, there are people struggling with same sex attraction who have also been brought up in the truth of God. They know and understand that acting on homosexuality is wrong. The world tells them and invites them to "accept themselves" and to have "love", while members of the church seem to denounce the person entirely. If you were struggling with self hate....which of the two would seem more inviting?
They might be told that they're not "christian enough" that they're not "praying enough," and the world tells them they are "born this way" and that the world "loves them for who they truly are". In turn, they ask, Why would God make me this way if it was wrong? Their next logical thinking patterns are that either A) God is cruel or B) God does not exist or C) The church is wrong about the bible and they need to get over it.
Those who cannot reconcile these things within themselves feel tormented! Some of them commit suicide over it. It's very, very tragic. This is one of the few struggles with sin where the individual takes on the sin as their identity. For example: one may say, "I have a gambling addiction" or " I don't always tell the truth." Whereas with same sex attraction it is " I am gay." They are defining themselves by this! And in fact...the world reinforces this mentality.
Can't you see, brothers and sisters, that unless we help them see the difference...they see a hatred against homosexual behavior as hatred of the person. Claiming that this struggle is "all in their head" fails to acknowledge their need for God's love. (We all* have this need). Whether the person was born with this struggle as a thorn in the flesh, or if placed on them by the powers of darkness, it does not matter. They are in this struggle and many of them are seeking Him.
We need to show them that even if this sin is a natural predisposition(inborn) that they do not have to feel enslaved by it. There is freedom in Christ! While it may not mean that they suddenly develop heterosexual desires, it may also be that God gives them the strength to refrain and run from lust (as is my case). We need to show those who struggle with this sin that, just like heterosexuals, they too are asked to refrain.
There is danger in coming to this issue armed with anger, because as I said earlier, many of those who struggle with same sex attraction wear this sin as their identity. Proceed with caution and love.
One can hardly doubt that we have physically masculine females and feminine males in every culture today. Genetic predisposition of a person is wide and varied, and personal attraction is, likewise, wide and varied.
But the fact still remains, that no matter how you are genetically predisposed, no matter what your societal thought conditioning is, it is still a CHOICE to act upon it.
I had this discussion with a childhood friend of mine that ‘came out of the closet’ as an adult. He likewise said that he had no ‘choice’ in the matter – but his lifelong actions proved that to be false. I witnessed first-hand the changes his body was going through during puberty…he was becoming more feminine in both voice and action, while the rest of us guys were becoming more masculine and our voices were deepening. It was clear that he was ‘different’ than a typical guy.
Fast forward to adulthood…this same friend decides to get married (to a woman…i.e. CHOICE #1)….to have a child with her (i.e. CHOICE #2)…and then later divorce his wife in favor of being with another man (i.e. CHOICE #3).
So…clearly, YES, you DO have a choice in the matter…we all do…no matter what our disposition is….make sure that you CHOOSE appropriately…
Amen sister, and this was my only point as well. He may have very well came here just to troll, but can we say for certain that is wasn't God that lead him here to come across someone that may sow the seed he needs like each and every person on this planet? I understand where they are coming from, I just think that Jesus would want us to show love and compassion first, then if it falls on deaf ears dust off our shoes and carry on. There was a time when I thought all of us were nothing more than weak minded sheep willing to be controlled by mans "imaginary story". I wasn’t always saved and would have defended my unbelief with my fist if you pushed me too far into the corner.
they didn't last very long. 
i only mention it because - HEY SAILOR MOON GUARDIAN - I TOLD YA IT FELT TO ME LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BE AROUND LONG, DIDN'T I ?? lol.
so the problem here, i think, is that Pinky believes ((insert behavior)) is OK because a person is born with a natural inclination toward it.
this is demonstrably false by inserting letting that presumption range over all possible behaviors for which there is a natural human inclination.
like lying. is it OK to lie, since some people are born as liars?
or murder. is it OK to murder, since some people are born with aggression & malice?
or rape. is it OK to rape, since people are born with a sex drive?
or theft. is it OK to steal, since people are born with desire to own?
permissive ethics built on the foundation of human desire are hogwash. it's moral anarchy - even pagans have higher standards of right and wrong.
i only mention it because - HEY SAILOR MOON GUARDIAN - I TOLD YA IT FELT TO ME LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BE AROUND LONG, DIDN'T I ?? lol. so the problem here, i think, is that Pinky believes ((insert behavior)) is OK because a person is born with a natural inclination toward it.
this is demonstrably false by inserting letting that presumption range over all possible behaviors for which there is a natural human inclination.
like lying. is it OK to lie, since some people are born as liars?
or murder. is it OK to murder, since some people are born with aggression & malice?
or rape. is it OK to rape, since people are born with a sex drive?
or theft. is it OK to steal, since people are born with desire to own?
permissive ethics built on the foundation of human desire are hogwash. it's moral anarchy - even pagans have higher standards of right and wrong.
the gay and lesbian community spent dozens of years fighting this very idea. For to accept your statement, is to assert that anyone who is gay or lesbian is a "freak of nature" as they do not conform to the natural use of man and woman. Are you asserting that gay and lesbian people are freaks of nature?
Jimbone, I certainly applaud you compassion and your tenderness of heart, These are most admirable traits but there comes a time in which we are all confronted with the decision concerning when to "not give that which is holy to the dogs" and dust our feet of such influences. This too, is a divine mandate.
C
You are absolutely right! (and thank you for the reply!)
It's truly amazing how God can transform us, and I am so glad that you also allowed yourself to be transformed by His love and truth! Like you, I was pretty rooted in my unbelief and frankly, I wanted nothing to do with God or the church. I felt rejected by both and I wanted no part in it. However, God Himself brought someone from overseas who would befriend me and soften my heart to God. Planting seeds, like my friend did, takes time, but ultimately we can trust that God is the ultimate gardener.
Thank you for sharing what you have. It gives me hope for a friend of mine who is an atheist.
(and thank you for the reply!) It's truly amazing how God can transform us, and I am so glad that you also allowed yourself to be transformed by His love and truth! Like you, I was pretty rooted in my unbelief and frankly, I wanted nothing to do with God or the church. I felt rejected by both and I wanted no part in it. However, God Himself brought someone from overseas who would befriend me and soften my heart to God. Planting seeds, like my friend did, takes time, but ultimately we can trust that God is the ultimate gardener.
Thank you for sharing what you have. It gives me hope for a friend of mine who is an atheist.
A brief comment from God's word.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
This sums up God's feeling about the OP better than I can say it.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
This sums up God's feeling about the OP better than I can say it.
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