homosexuals, did God make them that way from birth?

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MaranathaSoonQuick

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your answer is no, God created life and saw that it was good, God can not tempt nor tempteth he any man, Satan was an accuser and a liar from the beginning because he was enticed by it and led astray by it, God didn't make him like that. Does God create sinners or does he save them and try finding the lost and bringing them back to Him. although we were born in a world of sin and from birth are introduced to these ways we were not created with these problems these problems may have began to take root at an early age that one may only remember from then on, but the importance here is unless a man be born again he will not enter in the kingdom of heaven, and if a man is born again he is a new creature in Christ and no longer a slave to his past of sinful ways.
 
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Gays like to think they were born that way and they like Lady GAGA too. Eunuch does not mean homosexual, Jesus said "the words I speak unto you are Spirit and are Life" John 6:63. Jesus is also the Word made flesh, that being said, lets see what the Word says before He was made flesh. Lev. 18:22; Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:27 are the Biblical reference for homosexuality not Matt. 19:12. One needs to have a Spiritual ear to receive the saying in Matt. 19:12 in reference to John 6:63 (red letters are the words of Jesus). So, in Leviticus, men are not to lie with another man and if they do they were put to death and their blood was on their hands meaning they are guility, not born that way. You'll find the judgement is always the same for homosexuality, never its ok you were born that way. To sum up, ask yourself this, why would God make a homosexual from birth only to pronounce them an abomination and put them to death? What He did give you from birth is self will, He gives us His Word to attain eternal life, or we can reject Him to attain death. God's word is absolute and whatever man can think of doesn't change a thing. If you are homosexual your end is death and outer darkness. Its just that simple.
 
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KOHELETH said:
Gays like to think they were born that way and they like Lady GAGA too. Eunuch does not mean homosexual, Jesus said "the words I speak unto you are Spirit and are Life" John 6:63. Jesus is also the Word made flesh, that being said, lets see what the Word says before He was made flesh. Lev. 18:22; Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:27 are the Biblical reference for homosexuality not Matt. 19:12. One needs to have a Spiritual ear to receive the saying in Matt. 19:12 in reference to John 6:63 (red letters are the words of Jesus). So, in Leviticus, men are not to lie with another man and if they do they were put to death and their blood was on their hands meaning they are guility, not born that way. You'll find the judgement is always the same for homosexuality, never its ok you were born that way. To sum up, ask yourself this, why would God make a homosexual from birth only to pronounce them an abomination and put them to death? What He did give you from birth is self will, He gives us His Word to attain eternal life, or we can reject Him to attain death. God's word is absolute and whatever man can think of doesn't change a thing. If you are homosexual your end is death and outer darkness. Its just that simple.
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Every single homosexual likes Lady Gaga?

Isn't everybody's end death?

If Jesus is the Word made flesh and everything he said was valid today, why don't we follow ALL the OT laws? Because it's not convenient?

Why would God make someone an abomination? He made Lucifer didn't he? There was absolutely no such thing as sin in Heaven. God created sin to allow Lucifer to sin. God's the only creator, Lucifer could not have simply *poof* created pride and sin. God doesn't make abominations....then how do you account for a fetus that was miscarried? It never proclaimed God as its savior, therefore it's an abomination. It was never baptised. It never spoke the word of God, it never read the word of God. Yet, God made it, did he not?
 
MaranathaSoonQuick

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Every single homosexual likes Lady Gaga?

Isn't everybody's end death?

If Jesus is the Word made flesh and everything he said was valid today, why don't we follow ALL the OT laws? Because it's not convenient?

Why would God make someone an abomination? He made Lucifer didn't he? There was absolutely no such thing as sin in Heaven. God created sin to allow Lucifer to sin. God's the only creator, Lucifer could not have simply *poof* created pride and sin. God doesn't make abominations....then how do you account for a fetus that was miscarried? It never proclaimed God as its savior, therefore it's an abomination. It was never baptised. It never spoke the word of God, it never read the word of God. Yet, God made it, did he not?
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you didn't read my post did you?
 
MaranathaSoonQuick

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Free will is our own will, we can choose to sin willingly, or we could take on the will of God, satan was created with free will as are we, he wasn't born the chief of demons he chose to take that route. just like anyone who is gay, the bible shows that from the beginning there was no gays, female was actually made from male for the male, and so even if you've been a homosexual all your life, you don't have to remain that way.
 
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if you didn't notice, homosexuality is a big controversial topic, as well as the question, did God create evil?, as far as i've found the answer to both are no. with respect to God i wouldn't call him a baby killer, I call him only righteous he can not be evil from my perspective evil came through sin when our free will in eve chose to eat what appeared to her good for food to eat. who created that? man that was the fall where sin began
 
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MaranathaSoonQuick said:
if you didn't notice, homosexuality is a big controversial topic, as well as the question, did God create evil?, as far as i've found the answer to both are no. with respect to God i wouldn't call him a baby killer, I call him only righteous he can not be evil from my perspective evil came through sin when our free will in eve chose to eat what appeared to her good for food to eat. who created that? man that was the fall where sin began
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So sin began with free will and free will began when Eve ate from the apple, but she was tempted by the Devil, who already had free will......that hadn't existed yet...
 
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free will always existed
 
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free will always existed
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Not in spiritual matters.
John.1

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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Repent of ignorance, was it?

Rom.10

[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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I meant that when God created us, we were given free will. We were given free will in the very beginning. That is why it was a choice whether eve would be deceived or not. Besides, why would God tell them to not eat of the tree of life, if they had no free will to begin with? And please, I'd appreciate it if you didn't mock me. Even if I was ignorant of a fact, why would you attack me for it?
 
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Not in spiritual matters.
Repent of ignorance, was it?
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Actually, just forget it. There are too many fights anyway, don't respond to my previous comment.
 
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Repentionofignorance said:
I meant that when God created us, we were given free will. We were given free will in the very beginning. That is why it was a choice whether eve would be deceived or not. Besides, why would God tell them to not eat of the tree of life, if they had no free will to begin with? And please, I'd appreciate it if you didn't mock me. Even if I was ignorant of a fact, why would you attack me for it?
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No mocking at all. Your remarks about free will is just simply unscriptural, stemming from your obvious ignorance about the nature of fallen man. That's all.
 
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No mocking at all. Your remarks about free will is just simply unscriptural, stemming from your obvious ignorance about the nature of fallen man. That's all.
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Alright fine. Just leave me alone then.
 
MaranathaSoonQuick

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Point still stands.....how did Lucifer do something that never existed nor could exist in the place he was created?
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sin entered the world when the first sin was performed, and continued to grow when cane killed able.

satan was a pro at twisting scriptures, not that you did that but, i found it of some significance to the situation, anyhow, the bible makes mention that a man is tempted when he is enticed by his fleshly desires.
If this thread poster's friend's assumption was true, that would mean babies who died young would go to hell, since, this guy was born a homosexual, this guy a thief, this guy a murderer, and the list goes on, because everyone was born with some sort of abominable sin. unless there is scripture supporting anything it shouldn't be of any concern in this field.
we see that for instance a murderer, how would a murderer begin in his murderous ways?
Hate.
not that he was born to hate this guy he never met, but because he chose in his fleshly ways to hate his brother which breaking Christ's 2nd commandment, love thy brother & thy neighbor as thy self.
if I am wrong please reprove me, I want to know what is true.
 
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Gays like to think they were born that way and they like Lady GAGA too. Eunuch does not mean homosexual, Jesus said "the words I speak unto you are Spirit and are Life" John 6:63. Jesus is also the Word made flesh, that being said, lets see what the Word says before He was made flesh. Lev. 18:22; Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:27 are the Biblical reference for homosexuality not Matt. 19:12. One needs to have a Spiritual ear to receive the saying in Matt. 19:12 in reference to John 6:63 (red letters are the words of Jesus). So, in Leviticus, men are not to lie with another man and if they do they were put to death and their blood was on their hands meaning they are guility, not born that way. You'll find the judgement is always the same for homosexuality, never its ok you were born that way. To sum up, ask yourself this, why would God make a homosexual from birth only to pronounce them an abomination and put them to death? What He did give you from birth is self will, He gives us His Word to attain eternal life, or we can reject Him to attain death. God's word is absolute and whatever man can think of doesn't change a thing. If you are homosexual your end is death and outer darkness. Its just that simple.
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Are you sure you're 59? I would think a man of your age would understand how to show more compassion. I would think by then you would have learned to not stereotype people. I am gay and I don't like Lady Gaga. I would also think that if you were a true follower of Christ that you would know that no matter the sin one can still be saved until the moment before they die. Your post is exactly why so many people don't like Christians. You preach hate, death, and destruction. You show them there is no way out of anything, when in reality there is a way out of everything as long as you have Jesus.

Philippians 4:13(KJV)
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth.

All you do with your message of hate is lead people to depression and suicide.
 
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KOHELETH said:
Gays like to think they were born that way and they like Lady GAGA too. Eunuch does not mean homosexual, Jesus said "the words I speak unto you are Spirit and are Life" John 6:63. Jesus is also the Word made flesh, that being said, lets see what the Word says before He was made flesh. Lev. 18:22; Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:27 are the Biblical reference for homosexuality not Matt. 19:12. One needs to have a Spiritual ear to receive the saying in Matt. 19:12 in reference to John 6:63 (red letters are the words of Jesus). So, in Leviticus, men are not to lie with another man and if they do they were put to death and their blood was on their hands meaning they are guility, not born that way. You'll find the judgement is always the same for homosexuality, never its ok you were born that way. To sum up, ask yourself this, why would God make a homosexual from birth only to pronounce them an abomination and put them to death? What He did give you from birth is self will, He gives us His Word to attain eternal life, or we can reject Him to attain death. God's word is absolute and whatever man can think of doesn't change a thing. If you are homosexual your end is death and outer darkness. Its just that simple.
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And take it further,the end is the same for liars,thieves,murderers (which also includes the thoughts),adulterers (also includes the thought life),gossips,gluttons,drunkards,those who do not love their brothers,neighbors,family,or enemies as themselves. And why is that? If you do not love them,then the love of the Father is not in you. Both Jesus and John make it very clear if you love God you will love those around you. It is one the themes of 1 John

1 John 2

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister[c] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.

1 John 3

14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

About the statement that gays like Lady Gaga,it's a broad based statement which implies that all gays like lady Gaga,it is not the truth,which makes it a lie. Our God is a God of truth,and even the smallest lie makes one out to be a liar.
 
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One other thing which most never think about,stereotypes not only are lies but they bear false witness about a neighbor. If we are going call it sin we need to call all that is sin what it is and not pick and choose just those things that someone else is doing.
 
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No, God didn't make anyone that way.
Under the fall many things have happened, the degradation of the gene helix is one.
 
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Change my mind concerning one born a homosexual. I think it is possible but certainly not done so by God.
Speaking only of this type right now. Curses can come on the children from the father, but the bible does not say at what age it comes on them.

Zec_4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

John was filled with the Holy Ghost in his mother's womb.
Where there is a blessing, there is a worker of the blessing and where there is a curse, there is a worker of the curse. The Spirit of God works the blessing, and a foul spirit works the curse. When do the curses of the father come on the children?
 
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