How are people made Righteous ?

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Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Yea or nay? all is yea in Christ if you beleive and stand fast in this, no matter what, stand against all the storms, be a Job
 

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Are many made sinners unconditionally because they are supposedly born with Adam's sin?

Or are many made sinners conditionally for they choose to sin of their own free will, Rom 5:12?
Born in the flesh from the womb is born as Son's of Adam, and all have the free choice to sin or not, and all have at some point in their free will choice have sinned against another, and to sin against anyone is to sin and not believe God does love all.
The choice is to believe God does love us all or not, and if not how can one state to be different than another if they only love those that love them

Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

And how is one going to do this without seeing this first?
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
 

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Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !
That was an interesting twist, trying to do parables? Is there not free will to chose to beleive or not beleive God?
For as it is written it seems you took away free will to choose.
And if there is no free will to choose, then why is this still going on, it would be done over, Judgment day here, now, right or wrong?
 
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Born in the flesh from the womb is born as Son's of Adam, and all have the free choice to sin or not, and all have at some point in their free will choice have sinned against another, and to sin against anyone is to sin and not believe God does love all.
So when Paul said the many are made sinners, they were conditionally made sinners for they choose to sin and NOT unconditionally made sinners having been born inheriting Adam's sin.

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Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Those that work righteous, Acts 10:35, are the ones made righteous, for Paul never said the many are made righteous unconditionally.
 

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I really do not know the exact number - maybe by the grace of God I will become that type of person.
 

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Those whom shall be made Righteous by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19, must also already have had Christ's Righteousness imputed to them because God cannot and will not declare any sinner Righteous without already having charged to their account a Perfect Righteousness !
And if one believes this is done, and it is God that knows who are his and who are not, for God's Spirit testifies with our Spirit that we are his or not. Romans 8
And no one knows truly who are and who are not, but Father. for we all are a work from and by Father through Christ a work in progress made right by Son at the cross, and made alive by the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth
 
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By Father's calling through the Spirit of truth that is implanted in the believer from Father through the finished work of Christ, that is how, through belief
John 16
If all were born with a sin nature, then it would be impossible for any to ever accept Christ.
 
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Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

It is imputed from Father if we do stand fast in Faith to Father from through Son it is done, stand and do not give up, it will be done in you as it is in Son
Christ's perfect righteousness is not transferred to the sinner, but the sinner must obey Christ and the sinner then is placed "in Christ" Gal 3:27, where he is then covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.
 

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So when Paul said the many are made sinners, they were conditionally made sinners for they choose to sin and NOT unconditionally made sinners having been born inheriting Adam's sin.
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Born of the flesh is flesh and born of the Spirit of God is God period.
No flesh outside of Christ's can or ever will please God.
Christ's flesh is the only one that ever pleased Father
And Chirst came to give us new life in the Spirit from the flesh we all are first born in, is this true or false in your opinion?
Where is the new born again life at, in the death of Christ or the resurrection of Christ by Father?
 

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Those that work righteous, Acts 10:35, are the ones made righteous, for Paul never said the many are made righteous unconditionally.
How about those that work the works of Faith are righteous as they do righteous through Faith in the finished work of Christ, where one takes no credit for self, giving Father and Son all the credit

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
 

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I really do not know the exact number - maybe by the grace of God I will become that type of person.
By the grace alone you are made righteous standing presently before Father thanks to Son, believe thou this?
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

You do righteous because you are made righteous through Son. This is not works of anyone, this is Belief in Father's miraculous Mercy to all and for all, waiting for you to believe, and stand fast in this it is finished done for you to walk as Son walked by Faith.
Son did all by Faith did he not? did Son claim any works of himself?, please find anywhere Christ claimed works of self anywhere?
 

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If all were born with a sin nature, then it would be impossible for any to ever accept Christ.
Sorry we disagree for Father can even turn the rocks into first chosen Israelite as John told those Pharisees in the day of John preceding Messiah, Christ to redeem us
have you not sinned ever. fallen short of the glory of God? For as what you just posted, you are not saved are you?

Maybe you need to read 1 john all of 1 John to know you are born with this nature, the propensity to sin? And repent and receive the true righteousness to partake in with Father through Son? Your choice, and thank you for you
 

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Christ's perfect righteousness is not transferred to the sinner, but the sinner must obey Christ and the sinner then is placed "in Christ" Gal 3:27, where he is then covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.
By belief it is done in you and if one doubt as you are showing; then it is not done in you as of yet, and Father is not done with you as in working the truth out in and through you to come to nothing but trust to Father through Son

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 

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Christ's perfect righteousness is not transferred to the sinner, but the sinner must obey Christ and the sinner then is placed "in Christ" Gal 3:27, where he is then covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.
And I see you are really in desire to be one with Son and father as they are. me to
1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Through Christ I have bee set freed from anymore conscience of sin, now focused on life in the Spirit of God, through the finished work of Son

Romans 6:10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Hebrews 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:1 [ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
Hebrews 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jude 1:3 [ The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People ] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
 

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Christ's perfect righteousness is not transferred to the sinner, but the sinner must obey Christ and the sinner then is placed "in Christ" Gal 3:27, where he is then covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.
Obedience is by Faith, Belief and no other way to enter Father's rest.

Mark 9:24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
Romans 4:20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,
Romans 9:30 [ Israel’s Unbelief ] What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
Romans 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
Romans 11:23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
1 Timothy 1:13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
 

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Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

John 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

A gift has no works attached to it, or any you give me back something, if there is then it is no longer a free gift
 

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Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
 
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Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
Rev 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Man of his own will must choose to come and take of the water of life. Those that obey the Spirit's and Bride's command to 'come' will be made righteous.

So being made righteous is not unconditional or some random choice made by God for man -- as savdbygrace erroneously thinks. Again the verse says "whosoever will' NOT "whosoever God randomly selected against his will"
 
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homewardbound said:
Born of the flesh is flesh and born of the Spirit of God is God period.
No flesh outside of Christ's can or ever will please God.
Christ's flesh is the only one that ever pleased Father
And Chirst came to give us new life in the Spirit from the flesh we all are first born in, is this true or false in your opinion?
Where is the new born again life at, in the death of Christ or the resurrection of Christ by Father?

So are you agreeing with Paul that men are conditionally made sinners when he chooses to sin or are you agreeing with savdbygrace that men are unconditionally made sinners against their own will?