How can Christians overcome being called bigots?

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Chuckt

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resurrection33 said:
Jesus is God in flesh. If someone loves God with all their hearts, minds, and souls, haven't they accepted Jesus, even if they don't know it?
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Not necessarily. People have communicated with me only to show me that they never understood.

I would be at Bible studies and I would tell them that they are in a cult and they would agree with me but they didn't change or do anything different.

People communicate the same words all the time and they throw different meanings into the words.

If I believe that tylenol is safe but it was tampered with and really is cynanide, is my belief in taking tylenol okay? Belief and love in something is only as good as the object in which your belief is placed. Our hearts are also wickedly deceitful and we have all kinds of sin involved so I don't give cart blanche decisions to what people believe anymore.

There are also destructive Christian groups that fall into the area of cults. We go away feeling that there is something in common but the truth is farther than the east is from the west.

I kind of remember you as a modalist? If you believe in Jesus but then don't believe in the Trinity then you have a different Jesus than I know so if that is the case then you would be believing in a different God and that god does not save.
 
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Chuckt said:
Not necessarily. People have communicated with me only to show me that they never understood.

I would be at Bible studies and I would tell them that they are in a cult and they would agree with me but they didn't change or do anything different.

People communicate the same words all the time and they throw different meanings into the words.

If I believe that tylenol is safe but it was tampered with and really is cynanide, is my belief in taking tylenol okay? Belief and love in something is only as good as the object in which your belief is placed. Our hearts are also wickedly deceitful and we have all kinds of sin involved so I don't give cart blanche decisions to what people believe anymore.

There are also destructive Christian groups that fall into the area of cults. We go away feeling that there is something in common but the truth is farther than the east is from the west.

I kind of remember you as a modalist? If you believe in Jesus but then don't believe in the Trinity then you have a different Jesus than I know so if that is the case then you would be believing in a different God and that god does not save.
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I wish you'd condense this a little.
 
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coby

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Chuckt said:
Not necessarily. People have communicated with me only to show me that they never understood.

I would be at Bible studies and I would tell them that they are in a cult and they would agree with me but they didn't change or do anything different.

People communicate the same words all the time and they throw different meanings into the words.

If I believe that tylenol is safe but it was tampered with and really is cynanide, is my belief in taking tylenol okay? Belief and love in something is only as good as the object in which your belief is placed. Our hearts are also wickedly deceitful and we have all kinds of sin involved so I don't give cart blanche decisions to what people believe anymore.

There are also destructive Christian groups that fall into the area of cults. We go away feeling that there is something in common but the truth is farther than the east is from the west.

I kind of remember you as a modalist? If you believe in Jesus but then don't believe in the Trinity then you have a different Jesus than I know so if that is the case then you would be believing in a different God and that god does not save.
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Believe in the Trinity and you will be saved. Where's that in the Bible?
When Jesus walked on earth was He one Person?
 
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Chuckt said:
Not necessarily. People have communicated with me only to show me that they never understood.

I would be at Bible studies and I would tell them that they are in a cult and they would agree with me but they didn't change or do anything different.

People communicate the same words all the time and they throw different meanings into the words.

If I believe that tylenol is safe but it was tampered with and really is cynanide, is my belief in taking tylenol okay? Belief and love in something is only as good as the object in which your belief is placed. Our hearts are also wickedly deceitful and we have all kinds of sin involved so I don't give cart blanche decisions to what people believe anymore.

There are also destructive Christian groups that fall into the area of cults. We go away feeling that there is something in common but the truth is farther than the east is from the west.

I kind of remember you as a modalist? If you believe in Jesus but then don't believe in the Trinity then you have a different Jesus than I know so if that is the case then you would be believing in a different God and that god does not save.
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I have to confess to some irritation when someone puts a label on me. I suspect you and I view the Trinity differently, and I suspect you therefore think that makes you superior to me. Now what was your original question? Was it something about overcoming being called a bigot?
 
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sharkwhales

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Chuckt said:
How do you deal with multiple people calling someone who witnesses a bigot for saying that Christianity is the right way?

In other words, if you say that Christianity is the right way and there is no other way, there are people who want to call Christians bigots for that.
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well, you can try reasoning with them that truth exists, and therefore things which directly contradict it can't be true. therefore, not everything can be true.

but if they aren't interested in reason you might speak to the pain behind their offense. people throw out words like bigot usually because of bad experiences or anger in their past. idk man. there's no convincing everyone. people make their own choices on what to align with in their heart, even if they don't explicitly know it consciously.
 
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Chuckt

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Persuaded

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To answer your question
Compromise
I am willing to compromise on most things. But not on God's Word and what it teaches.
Since I will not compromise the truth of God's Word, I will wear the lable of a bigot with honor if that is what the world chooses to lable me.
 
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Chuckt

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Chuckt said:

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins.-John 8:24

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
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Scripture represents Jesus as God and I accept it but there are these finer points:

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is the word and the term used for word "Logos" is also applied to God.

The word was God which dictionaries say means:

  1. I was, etc.



Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 457​
AV — was 267, were 115, had been 12, had 11, taught + 1321 4, stood + 2476 4,misc 42, vr was 1
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So in order for you to believe that Jesus is God then you have to believe that He is:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I don't think you can understand Him being God, veiling His deity, and making himself of no reputation because I think He gave something up for John 1:1 to say He "was" God without being a separate person and also still being God without understanding the Trinity:

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

We might not apprehend it but we have to believe it or else what difference is there if we believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan?

What I'm saying is that I think we are responsible to know in what we put our faith in because if it isn't in Him then it could be something else and to not believe is also rejection.
 
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Chuckt

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John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God took on an additional nature.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus didn't say, "Father into thy hands I commend your spirit" because he said, "my spirit" which means that Jesus had His own spirit which means He is a different person of the God head and like Hebrews 11:6 is that when we come to God we have to believe that He is.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I know more and now I am responsible for this belief. I have to believe in this or else it is rejection of who He is and if I believe less or believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan then I believe in another God.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Jesus is God in flesh. If someone loves God with all their hearts, minds, and souls, haven't they accepted Jesus, even if they don't know it?
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A person can't reject Jesus and yet love God...
However, if you're saying they 'love' God on some
limited basis and knowledge, i.e., they're
responding to what light is given, then it's
likely by God's grace that they will be given
more light...the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Since Jesus is the light of the world, and there is
no other way to be saved, and it's not God's will
that any should perish...
God is not going to withhold Jesus from anyone,
in order that they can't be saved.
(let whosoever will, drink from the fountain
of the water of life freely, right?)

Neither will He have someone be saved,
but somehow bypass Jesus and
the cross and the empty tomb.

So yes, loving God with all your heart IS loving Jesus,
but not as an accidental consequence, but through
the grace and knowledge of Him.

To know (know, know) Him is to
love (love, love) Him, :)
and to love Him is to know Him.

Passages in 1John say:

We love Him because He first loved us.

In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
because that God sent His
only begotten Son into the world,
that we might live through Him.
Herein is love, not that we loved God,
but that He loved us, and sent His Son
to be the propitiation of our sins.

Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ
is born of God: and every one that loves Him that begat
loves Him also that is begotten of Him.
 
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Tintin

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Dude653 said:
I believe in the Bible and I believe the teachings of Christ but I am really beginning to dislike Christians. Anyone who disagrees with them on any given subject is obviously a heretic and should be burned at the stake
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Here, have another gross generalisation. You seem to like those.
 
Utah

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nu2see said:
Hi, tintin. I'm sorry, brother, did I miss something in this post?:confused:
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dude is White but he hates Whites. dude is Christian but he hates Christians. dude is dude, and any psychologist with a 1.34 GPA can tell you he hates himself. He's self-loathing, pure and simple.
 
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roaringkitten

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How can Christians overcome being called bigots?


Here is how, keeping our eyes on Jesus when people slander us for saying the truth, keeping in mind what Jesus said:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33
 
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Tintin

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Utah said:
dude is White but he hates Whites. dude is Christian but he hates Christians. dude is dude, and any psychologist with a 1.34 GPA can tell you he hates himself. He's self-loathing, pure and simple.
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Yeah, that's pretty much it.
 
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nu2see said:
A person can't reject Jesus and yet love God...
However, if you're saying they 'love' God on some
limited basis and knowledge, i.e., they're
responding to what light is given, then it's
likely by God's grace that they will be given
more light...the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Since Jesus is the light of the world, and there is
no other way to be saved, and it's not God's will
that any should perish...
God is not going to withhold Jesus from anyone,
in order that they can't be saved.
(let whosoever will, drink from the fountain
of the water of life freely, right?)

Neither will He have someone be saved,
but somehow bypass Jesus and
the cross and the empty tomb.

So yes, loving God with all your heart IS loving Jesus,
but not as an accidental consequence, but through
the grace and knowledge of Him.

To know (know, know) Him is to
love (love, love) Him, :)
and to love Him is to know Him.

Passages in 1John say:

We love Him because He first loved us.

In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
because that God sent His
only begotten Son into the world,
that we might live through Him.
Herein is love, not that we loved God,
but that He loved us, and sent His Son
to be the propitiation of our sins.

Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ
is born of God: and every one that loves Him that begat
loves Him also that is begotten of Him.
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If they love God with all their hearts, minds,and souls, but don’t realize that Jesus is God in flesh, then do you send them to hell?
 
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Chuckt

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resurrection33 said:
If they love God with all their hearts, minds,and souls, but don’t realize that Jesus is God in flesh, then do you send them to hell?
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Which Jesus would that be?
Does the Jesus of the Mormons save or the Jehovah Witnesses?
 
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Chuckt

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resurrection33 said:
I have to confess to some irritation when someone puts a label on me. I suspect you and I view the Trinity differently, and I suspect you therefore think that makes you superior to me. Now what was your original question? Was it something about overcoming being called a bigot?
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Consider that you are on a Christian board and that your audience is Christian and that they are sensitive to the word "Bigot" and don't like hearing it.

No one hates you. It isn't about me being superior or not wanting you to be superior.

No one wants to keep you out of heaven and no one hates you.

The reason we go through this trouble is so that you do go to heaven and if I hated you, I wouldn't tell you anything because I would want you to go to hell if I hated you.

The "bigot" card is something that people play when they can't accept that they are wrong because they've run out of arguments because they aren't right.

If you aren't a Christian and you want to be then we would love for you to be one because we're accepting and we don't care if you are superior or not.

But if you want me to tell you the truth then I'm going to tell you the truth about heaven and how to get in.
 
nu2see

nu2see

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resurrection33 said:
If they love God with all their hearts, minds,and souls, but don’t realize that Jesus is God in flesh, then do you send them to hell?
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First of all, neither I nor anyone 'sends' ppl to hell.
Ppl are already hell-bound until they are saved
by the grace of God through faith in Jesus and His
shed blood and resurrection (check your nickname)

If they willfully reject salvation in Jesus, there isn't
anything left for them, they've basically sent themselves
to hell by rejecting the only begotten Son of God as their Savior.

Remember, He's the Son of God and God the Son.
It seems like you're asking ppl to love God and expect
Him to save them, while at the same time rejecting Him.
Do you see the dilemma?
I'm sorry I'm not very good at explaining these things,
perhaps a reading of John6:28-48 kjv will do much better.
 
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