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C
True but the Jesus Christ of the Bible does not identify Himself as the brother of Lucifer or as an archangel.
1 Timothy 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
We all can't be right so the ones that are wrong believe in the the Jesus of the devil's doctrines. The devil's Jesus doesn't save.
1 Timothy 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
We all can't be right so the ones that are wrong believe in the the Jesus of the devil's doctrines. The devil's Jesus doesn't save.
He asked about which Jesus, mormon, jw, etc, and you said there's only one Jesus, ..... true but there are other groups that claim a jesus that is related to lucifer or some other angel, that's why he mentioned them.
Res33, I'm trying to understand you,
but you ask a q as if you sincerely want to know,
as when you asked about loving God and being sent to hell,
but then after being given a sincere answer
with scripture recommended, you turn from questioning,
to making statements about heaven and hell
that not only aren't scripturally supported,
but you write them with an air of authority/superiority.
Do you really seek the answer re: loving God/Jesus,
or are you just trying to goad an argument?
Res33, I'm trying to understand you,
but you ask a q as if you sincerely want to know,
as when you asked about loving God and being sent to hell,
but then after being given a sincere answer
with scripture recommended, you turn from questioning,
to making statements about heaven and hell
that not only aren't scripturally supported,
but you write them with an air of authority/superiority.
Do you really seek the answer re: loving God/Jesus,
or are you just trying to goad an argument?
C
Christians have long maintained that Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses believe in a different Jesus:
https://carm.org/hinckley-says-mormons-believe-different-jesus
https://carm.org/hinckley-says-mormons-believe-different-jesus
G
What is your definition of "repent?" Heck, been saved for years myself and I would throw stuff at most believers for their definition of repent in todays world.
"repent" is to simply turn from your unbelief in Christ................to belief in Christ. Any man can do it because he paid for the sins of the WHOLE world.
We are sinners. We recognize it. We turn from our unbelief that Christ paid for ALL of our sins to belief that he did pay for ALL of our sins.
I had the privilege to "throw" stuff at a self righteous prig of a Christian whos message was.......," Your going to hell for your sins and you need to repent of your sins!!!!!!!!"
Not saying that that is your message, but it is the majority of the believers that I am around.
"repent" is to simply turn from your unbelief in Christ................to belief in Christ. Any man can do it because he paid for the sins of the WHOLE world.
We are sinners. We recognize it. We turn from our unbelief that Christ paid for ALL of our sins to belief that he did pay for ALL of our sins.
I had the privilege to "throw" stuff at a self righteous prig of a Christian whos message was.......," Your going to hell for your sins and you need to repent of your sins!!!!!!!!"
Not saying that that is your message, but it is the majority of the believers that I am around.
G
Never said it was optional. I asked ......."what is your definition of "repent?"
Acts 17:30 is synonymous with belief.........Acts 16:31.
do we "repent" of our unbelief in Christ?
Or
Do we "repent" of our sins?
Most of the believers I am around and know say, " It is your sins!".......Christ comes second.
Acts 17:30 is synonymous with belief.........Acts 16:31.
do we "repent" of our unbelief in Christ?
Or
Do we "repent" of our sins?
Most of the believers I am around and know say, " It is your sins!".......Christ comes second.
That looks like a ridiculously stupid question to me.
So what? I did not. I said she was criminally abusive because she was.
Among other things which were born out with what was told.
And I wondered what led up to that point.
You make assumptions. Your question simply makes no sense, just like your first question here again makes no sense, but for a different reason. Also, I wondered what the story was. You seemed to have missed that, or completely overlooked it, in your haste to lump me in with everyone else. I'm not buying your version. It is yours, and you can take ownership of it, but don't go trying to stick it on me.
So what? I did not. I said she was criminally abusive because she was.
Among other things which were born out with what was told.
And I wondered what led up to that point.
You make assumptions. Your question simply makes no sense, just like your first question here again makes no sense, but for a different reason. Also, I wondered what the story was. You seemed to have missed that, or completely overlooked it, in your haste to lump me in with everyone else. I'm not buying your version. It is yours, and you can take ownership of it, but don't go trying to stick it on me.
C
Still not seeing that it's in the Bible that you have to believe in the Trinity as 3 Persons.
Was Jesus 3 Persons or 1 here on earth?
Ever heard of Oneness pentecostals or Messianic Jews? They don't believe in a false angel calling himself jesus. They're christian, but some don't believe the Trinity the exact same way which isn't so weird, because I bet most would say Jesus was one Person, yet when you look closer in John it's 3 Persons in one Body. He's called eternal Father, in Him the fulness of the Godhead: Trinity dwelt bodily.
But if someone believes God is one Person with 3 forms or whatever it doesn't matter for salvation. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
Was Jesus 3 Persons or 1 here on earth?
Ever heard of Oneness pentecostals or Messianic Jews? They don't believe in a false angel calling himself jesus. They're christian, but some don't believe the Trinity the exact same way which isn't so weird, because I bet most would say Jesus was one Person, yet when you look closer in John it's 3 Persons in one Body. He's called eternal Father, in Him the fulness of the Godhead: Trinity dwelt bodily.
But if someone believes God is one Person with 3 forms or whatever it doesn't matter for salvation. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
The OP asks the question 'how can Christians overcome being called bigots?'
It's either one of two options really...
Firstly, it's a false accusation in which case, don't sweat it.
Or it's true and then the issue isn't the accusation but rather the bigotry.
As Christians some people will attach pre conceived attributes that are not deserved, the old 'oh so you're a Christian', insert here all manner of insults, bigot usually on top of that list.
To which my response would be, 'on no, I'm not one of those Christians'
Funnily that is when other Christians respond with a flash of suspicion, 'ahh so you're one of 'those' Christians'
Now is when I have to mention that I don't condone homosexuality anymore than I condone arrogance, self righteous pride, vanity, gluttony ect.
The reality is is that society at large thinks we are a bunch of self righteous, judgmental twats. Of course this is not true, it's a gross generalisation but in every sentiment usually lies some element of truth. In this case some Christians are exactly that. Sadly these voices are often heard the loudest, cause they make the noise.
Bottom line, every single person regardless of ones personal struggle with sin is made in the image of God. By that very fact alone they are deserving of respect, dignity and love. Loving someone as so many Christians think does not mean pointing out their inadequacies at any given opportunity as to 'save' them from hell. That's not our job. It never has been. We called to proclaim 'The Good News' and that news is God loves us so much that He sent us a Saviour in Jesus.
Loving someone means exactly that, truly and deeply caring and loving them. By example the way in which we are loved by Jesus. He loved us just as much the day before we were saved as the day after.
Im not saying that love doesn't convict because it does, but when it's done from a place of absolute love, free from judgment then a person may disagree with us but our intention is never in question.
I think Christianty would not be so heavily labelled in the bigotry camp if our intentions were a little more heart centered.
BTW I'm a brand spanking newbie. Great to be here, looking forward to some chats and discussion.
It's either one of two options really...
Firstly, it's a false accusation in which case, don't sweat it.
Or it's true and then the issue isn't the accusation but rather the bigotry.
As Christians some people will attach pre conceived attributes that are not deserved, the old 'oh so you're a Christian', insert here all manner of insults, bigot usually on top of that list.
To which my response would be, 'on no, I'm not one of those Christians'
Funnily that is when other Christians respond with a flash of suspicion, 'ahh so you're one of 'those' Christians'
Now is when I have to mention that I don't condone homosexuality anymore than I condone arrogance, self righteous pride, vanity, gluttony ect.
The reality is is that society at large thinks we are a bunch of self righteous, judgmental twats. Of course this is not true, it's a gross generalisation but in every sentiment usually lies some element of truth. In this case some Christians are exactly that. Sadly these voices are often heard the loudest, cause they make the noise.
Bottom line, every single person regardless of ones personal struggle with sin is made in the image of God. By that very fact alone they are deserving of respect, dignity and love. Loving someone as so many Christians think does not mean pointing out their inadequacies at any given opportunity as to 'save' them from hell. That's not our job. It never has been. We called to proclaim 'The Good News' and that news is God loves us so much that He sent us a Saviour in Jesus.
Loving someone means exactly that, truly and deeply caring and loving them. By example the way in which we are loved by Jesus. He loved us just as much the day before we were saved as the day after.
Im not saying that love doesn't convict because it does, but when it's done from a place of absolute love, free from judgment then a person may disagree with us but our intention is never in question.
I think Christianty would not be so heavily labelled in the bigotry camp if our intentions were a little more heart centered.
BTW I'm a brand spanking newbie. Great to be here, looking forward to some chats and discussion.
Well said..and welcome to CC..Bless you!
The OP asks the question 'how can Christians overcome being called bigots?'
It's either one of two options really...
Firstly, it's a false accusation in which case, don't sweat it.
Or it's true and then the issue isn't the accusation but rather the bigotry.
As Christians some people will attach pre conceived attributes that are not deserved, the old 'oh so you're a Christian', insert here all manner of insults, bigot usually on top of that list.
To which my response would be, 'on no, I'm not one of those Christians'
Funnily that is when other Christians respond with a flash of suspicion, 'ahh so you're one of 'those' Christians'
Now is when I have to mention that I don't condone homosexuality anymore than I condone arrogance, self righteous pride, vanity, gluttony ect.
The reality is is that society at large thinks we are a bunch of self righteous, judgmental twats. Of course this is not true, it's a gross generalisation but in every sentiment usually lies some element of truth. In this case some Christians are exactly that. Sadly these voices are often heard the loudest, cause they make the noise.
Bottom line, every single person regardless of ones personal struggle with sin is made in the image of God. By that very fact alone they are deserving of respect, dignity and love. Loving someone as so many Christians think does not mean pointing out their inadequacies at any given opportunity as to 'save' them from hell. That's not our job. It never has been. We called to proclaim 'The Good News' and that news is God loves us so much that He sent us a Saviour in Jesus.
Loving someone means exactly that, truly and deeply caring and loving them. By example the way in which we are loved by Jesus. He loved us just as much the day before we were saved as the day after.
Im not saying that love doesn't convict because it does, but when it's done from a place of absolute love, free from judgment then a person may disagree with us but our intention is never in question.
I think Christianty would not be so heavily labelled in the bigotry camp if our intentions were a little more heart centered.
BTW I'm a brand spanking newbie. Great to be here, looking forward to some chats and discussion.
It's either one of two options really...
Firstly, it's a false accusation in which case, don't sweat it.
Or it's true and then the issue isn't the accusation but rather the bigotry.
As Christians some people will attach pre conceived attributes that are not deserved, the old 'oh so you're a Christian', insert here all manner of insults, bigot usually on top of that list.
To which my response would be, 'on no, I'm not one of those Christians'
Funnily that is when other Christians respond with a flash of suspicion, 'ahh so you're one of 'those' Christians'
Now is when I have to mention that I don't condone homosexuality anymore than I condone arrogance, self righteous pride, vanity, gluttony ect.
The reality is is that society at large thinks we are a bunch of self righteous, judgmental twats. Of course this is not true, it's a gross generalisation but in every sentiment usually lies some element of truth. In this case some Christians are exactly that. Sadly these voices are often heard the loudest, cause they make the noise.
Bottom line, every single person regardless of ones personal struggle with sin is made in the image of God. By that very fact alone they are deserving of respect, dignity and love. Loving someone as so many Christians think does not mean pointing out their inadequacies at any given opportunity as to 'save' them from hell. That's not our job. It never has been. We called to proclaim 'The Good News' and that news is God loves us so much that He sent us a Saviour in Jesus.
Loving someone means exactly that, truly and deeply caring and loving them. By example the way in which we are loved by Jesus. He loved us just as much the day before we were saved as the day after.
Im not saying that love doesn't convict because it does, but when it's done from a place of absolute love, free from judgment then a person may disagree with us but our intention is never in question.
I think Christianty would not be so heavily labelled in the bigotry camp if our intentions were a little more heart centered.
BTW I'm a brand spanking newbie. Great to be here, looking forward to some chats and discussion.
C
Repentance is a step.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
You can't turn to God unless you turn from something and they turned from idols to serve the living God.
The forerunner taught repentance before Jesus:
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And repentance usually came before the gospel because it is a step to believing in Jesus:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I'm following the Biblical model and plenty of Christians wouldn't fault me for that.
I said nothing wrong and it isn't normal to get hit and have people fly off the handle because they lack self control.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
You can't turn to God unless you turn from something and they turned from idols to serve the living God.
The forerunner taught repentance before Jesus:
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And repentance usually came before the gospel because it is a step to believing in Jesus:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I'm following the Biblical model and plenty of Christians wouldn't fault me for that.
I said nothing wrong and it isn't normal to get hit and have people fly off the handle because they lack self control.
P
this is as far as i got
absolute truth claims. everyone makes them, including those who call Christians bigots for our absolute Truth claim.
since everyone makes absolute truth claims, what matters is the truth behind the claim.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)
absolute truth claims. everyone makes them, including those who call Christians bigots for our absolute Truth claim.
since everyone makes absolute truth claims, what matters is the truth behind the claim.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)