How can we be 100% sure that God is not the same god in other religions?

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resurrection33

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Bowman said:
The father, son, husband analogy does not work because each is still the other.

In the Trinity, the Father, Son, Spirit are NOT each other. They are each simultaneously the One God - but not each other.

See the difference?
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That’s my point. Trinitarians, it is my understanding, believe in three different beings. I believe in one. My analogy describes what I believe: One being doing three different things: being a Father, being a Son, and being a Holy Spirit.

The Father is God, the Creator.

The Son is Jesus Christ—God in flesh. God decided to become a person for a period of time and did so as Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is what we call God when he is talking to us.
 
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That’s my point. Trinitarians, it is my understanding, believe in three different beings. I believe in one. My analogy describes what I believe: One being doing three different things: being a Father, being a Son, and being a Holy Spirit.

The Father is God, the Creator.

The Son is Jesus Christ—God in flesh. God decided to become a person for a period of time and did so as Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is what we call God when he is talking to us.
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We can see that your father, son, husband analogy does not fit the Trinity.

Further, it is not one being doing three different things, as the Trinity functions as One God.

For example, scripture tells us that Father, Son & Spirit is the Creator. This is the same task, not different tasks.
 
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Godismystrength2988

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I honestly don't know.

There are so many questions, but I think the most important thing is to be a good person. Would Hitler go to heaven if at the end of his life he professed to be a Christian(Jeffery Dahmer actually did that)?

I have been contemplating this, and I thought about the story of Radshak, Meshak and Abendigo who were thrown into a furnace for not worshiping false Gods, and God saved them for having faith and not giving in to worshiping false Gods. That would suggest that there is only one God.


My only question is, why would God send people to Hell who did not even know his religion existed? There are indigenous people's in the rain forest who have never even seen a person outside of their tribe. Let alone a Christian. Despite missionaries best efforts to save them, there will definitely be tribes who never even know Christianity exists.

Would he send them to Hell for not knowing Him? Is it their fault that He placed them in such a secluded tribe that they cannot know the Christian God? Did God just not like them and want them to suffer in Hell forever?

That's like placing your child in music class and then getting angry and sending him to Hell to suffer unspeakable tortures because the true class is writing class(Yes, I'm a writer :)).

Also, why does God have to make it so confusing to choose the right religion with the threat of Hell looming over our head? I think just about any reasonable person would pick Heaven over Hell if there was a choice of absolute certainty what you would get.

Just my two cents.
 
resurrection33

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Bowman said:
We can see that your father, son, husband analogy does not fit the Trinity.

Further, it is not one being doing three different things, as the Trinity functions as One God.

For example, scripture tells us that Father, Son & Spirit is the Creator. This is the same task, not different tasks.
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I believe in one God, one being.
 
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Godismystrength2988 said:
I honestly don't know.

There are so many questions, but I think the most important thing is to be a good person. Would Hitler go to heaven if at the end of his life he professed to be a Christian(Jeffery Dahmer actually did that)?

I have been contemplating this, and I thought about the story of Radshak, Meshak and Abendigo who were thrown into a furnace for not worshiping false Gods, and God saved them for having faith and not giving in to worshiping false Gods. That would suggest that there is only one God.
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That would be the Triune God that was seen as a 'Messenger' i.e. 'Son of the Gods' as described in Daniel as the fourth person in the furnace.






My only question is, why would God send people to Hell who did not even know his religion existed? There are indigenous people's in the rain forest who have never even seen a person outside of their tribe. Let alone a Christian. Despite missionaries best efforts to save them, there will definitely be tribes who never even know Christianity exists.

Would he send them to Hell for not knowing Him? Is it their fault that He placed them in such a secluded tribe that they cannot know the Christian God? Did God just not like them and want them to suffer in Hell forever?

That's like placing your child in music class and then getting angry and sending him to Hell to suffer unspeakable tortures because the true class is writing class(Yes, I'm a writer :)).

Also, why does God have to make it so confusing to choose the right religion with the threat of Hell looming over our head? I think just about any reasonable person would pick Heaven over Hell if there was a choice of absolute certainty what you would get.

Just my two cents.
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Its not a matter of having the right 'religion'...its a matter of having the right relationship with the Creator.

All peoples across the globe are programmed to worship. Some worship their golf game, some their cars, etc, etc....but all people worship.

Scripture tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God - thus, no one has an excuse.
 
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Bowman said:
Orthodox Christians have always been Trinitarian.

Unitarians are a cult.
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Now you are bearing false witness against me. I am not a Unitarian.

Do you know what a Unitarian is? I don’t know a lot about it, but from what I’ve read, not all Unitarians even believe in God.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Now you are bearing false witness against me. I am not a Unitarian.

Do you know what a Unitarian is? I don’t know a lot about it, but from what I’ve read, not all Unitarians even believe in God.
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Unitarians deny the Trinity.
 
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Bowman said:
Unitarians deny the Trinity.
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There is a “church” called the Unitarian Church where, according to what I’ve read, they aren’t required to believe God. I am not a Unitarian. I am a United Methodist.

You seem to use the word “Unitarian” to describe people who don’t believe that God is three beings. I do not believe God is three beings. I believe he is one being.
 
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resurrection33 said:
There is a “church” called the Unitarian Church where, according to what I’ve read, they aren’t required to believe God. I am not a Unitarian. I am a United Methodist.

You seem to use the word “Unitarian” to describe people who don’t believe that God is three beings. I do not believe God is three beings. I believe he is one being.
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Which would make you a unitarian.....

u·ni·tar·i·an
/ˌyo͞oniˈte(ə)rēən/
Noun
A person, esp. a Christian, who asserts the unity of God and rejects the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
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smithbr8 said:
Which would make you a unitarian.....

u·ni·tar·i·an
/ˌyo͞oniˈte(ə)rēən/
Noun
A person, esp. a Christian, who asserts the unity of God and rejects the doctrine of the Trinity.
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Are you playing word games with me?

“Unitarian” has two definitions. People, like you, define “Unitarian” as someone who is not a Trinitarian. And “Unitarian” is the name of a “church” that doesn’t necessarily believe in God, according to what I’ve read.

I do not belong to the Unitarian “church” and I believe God is one being, not three.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Are you playing word games with me?

“Unitarian” has two definitions. People, like you, define “Unitarian” as someone who is not a Trinitarian. And “Unitarian” is the name of a “church” that doesn’t necessarily believe in God, according to what I’ve read.

I do not belong to the Unitarian “church” and I believe God is one being, not three.
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That's not playing word games...that's looking in the dictionary. YOU may define it the other way, but to everyone else, that's not what it means....Sorry. People like me, others on this page, those who speak English, and the makers of the Webster dictionary, yes we use that word to describe someone who is not a Trinitarian because that's what it means..... That's like saying "I'm singing a song with someone." "Oh so you're singing a duet?" "NO! HOW DARE YOU CALL IT A DUET! IT'S A 2-person TRIO!" ".......but it's called a duet" "No, maybe morons like YOU call it that, but it's a 2-person trio."
 
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That's not playing word games...that's looking in the dictionary. YOU may define it the other way, but to everyone else, that's not what it means....Sorry. People like me, others on this page, those who speak English, and the makers of the Webster dictionary, yes we use that word to describe someone who is not a Trinitarian because that's what it means..... That's like saying "I'm singing a song with someone." "Oh so you're singing a duet?" "NO! HOW DARE YOU CALL IT A DUET! IT'S A 2-person TRIO!" ".......but it's called a duet" "No, maybe morons like YOU call it that, but it's a 2-person trio."
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I am a United Methodist who believes God is one being, not three beings.
 
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No, brother.

This follows the same pattern as found in the Book of Revelation.

There is absolutely no denial of the Son.

Only confirmation.

Study up...






Even in English, there is no denial of the Son.

In Arabic it is even more clear.

However, you don't know any Arabic...
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Okay man, your just showing you cant deal with the passage. It says what it says plainly. I dont need to know Arabic to understand translations. Can I not trust all the translators, and only you who will not show what the passage is saying?

Even in English? Can you please parse the passage then and show us what it is saying?
 
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I worry not about a religion with a god but a realationship with the LORD
 
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