How do dinosaurs fit into the Creaton story?

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NoNameMcgee

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trofimus said:
Bible is pretty clear to anybody who has already some ideas while reading it.

Have you noticed that all possible camps inside Christianity say that Bible is clearly teaching what they believe?
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trofimus said:
Thats the charm of science. There is no dogma :)
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you think science supports your claim...

but it does not


i hope youre aware that evolution is a false religion that pushes its lies long after its already been proven false until they get a new lie that sounds better



either way

keep leaning on your understanding

i dont suscribe to these "camps" you speak of

i pray
and i read my bible
 
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Magenta said:
Some dinos were vegetarians. They would pose no threat to humans. Even today there are probably countless species we have no idea of, so well hidden from our view their existence is :)​
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Some were, some were not. You cannot take just one species of those time and imagine it in modern world. It would not work.

A full ecosystem is needed or else it would not survive.
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
i hope youre aware that evolution is a false religion that pushes its lies long after its already been proven false until they get a new lie that sounds better
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Ok, man, ok.. whatever you say.
 
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I am not an evolutionist I am creationist that believes in the old earth theory. There is no other way for all the dinosaurs to have existed.

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eternally-gratefull said:
The Bible says Noah took two of each kind. And it never said he took two adults..

ps. If anyone evert gets a chance to visit the ark museum in Kentucky, It shows how it is possible.
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Funny thing. When I was growing up, there was this dinosaur call the brontosaurus. (Big honkin' dino. Think of the shape of the dinosaur used for one of the oil companies. Can't remember the oil company but the logo was a green silhouette dinosaur, four legs, wide girth, small head compared to the rest of the body, looked like it could fill a football field.) Somewhere along the line, they found a bigger one, but it was different enough from the bronto, that they gave the bigger one a new name.

And then about a decade ago, they decided the bronto was just a juvenile version of the bigger one.

No more brontosaurus. I was truly disappointed!

And then 2-3 years ago, they decided it wasn't a juvenile. It was its own species again. The bronto is back!

And my distrust for "scientific facts" intensifies. lol
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Hmm, which begs the question, were what we call dinosaur’s clean or unclean? Lol
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Did they have cloven hooves, and chew the cud? Many birds were considered unclean (defined in Leviticus 11): the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture, the kite, the falcon of any kind, every raven of any kind, the ostrich, the nighthawk, the sea gull, the hawk of any kind, the little owl, the cormorant, the short-eared owl, the barn owl, the tawny owl, the carrion vulture, the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopoe, and the bat. Also some reptiles: the great lizard of any kind, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Funny thing. When I was growing up, there was this dinosaur call the brontosaurus. (Big honkin' dino. Think of the shape of the dinosaur used for one of the oil companies. Can't remember the oil company but the logo was a green silhouette dinosaur, four legs, wide girth, small head compared to the rest of the body, looked like it could fill a football field.) Somewhere along the line, they found a bigger one, but it was different enough from the bronto, that they gave the bigger one a new name.

And then about a decade ago, they decided the bronto was just a juvenile version of the bigger one.

No more brontosaurus. I was truly disappointed!

And then 2-3 years ago, they decided it wasn't a juvenile. It was its own species again. The bronto is back!

And my distrust for "scientific facts" intensifies. lol
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what did God say he would do to the wisdom of man?
 
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Deade said:
I am not an evolutionist I am creationist that believes in the old earth theory. There is no other way for all the dinosaurs to have existed.

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i disagree

lol
its gonna be interesting when we ask God both being 100% sure there could be no other way based on scripture
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Deade said:
I am not an evolutionist I am creationist that believes in the old earth theory. There is no other way for all the dinosaurs to have existed.

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No way? That is not so. It has been shown to be possible. I pray you be open to study the evidence, then make your choice..


 
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eternally-gratefull said:
2 hours long, take some time..lol

Creation museum just outside Cincinnati is what got me to start investigating all this stuff. I am still learning more stuff as i go.

I loved GAP. Because it was an easy answer to evolution and old earth. But after study, that is about all it was good for..lol

It is awesome to learn.. But we have to be open.
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My older brother was seriously into reptiles growing up. He had one just-about-every-kind. (Including an iguana, a caiman, and salamanders.) I got into dinos way back then, and, every so often, I still go check out what the paleontologists are discovering now.

I remember wondering, as a kid, why reptiles had to turn into birds. Why couldn't birds turn into reptiles? But paleontologists demanded that they only went on into birds.

Then they demanded that most simply died out, never turning into birds.

And then they demanded that all paleontologists believe this.

And then a paleontologist found a dino with feathers. And the rest got raving mad at him. (20 years before they started believing it. And the evolutionists think we're bullheaded? Yeesh!)

And then others showed up.

As of lately reptiles can turn into birds, birds can turn into reptiles, and some reptiles just had feathers but would never turn into birds.

I do get a kick out of how facts keep changing. Kind of kills the word "fact" altogether. lol
 
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trofimus said:
Bible is pretty clear to anybody who has already some ideas while reading it.

Have you noticed that all possible camps inside Christianity say that Bible is clearly teaching what they believe?
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It really is clear, even when I come into it with preconceived notions.

One preconceived notion was God was only love. Killed that notion somewhere between Noah and Micah! God has a wrath even I can't imagine.

Another preconceived notion was that somehow evolution could conform to Genesis 1. After decades of research, that preconceived notion has flown out the door long ago.

Another one was the Big Bang was real. Not only has that one been tossed out, even the scientists don't believe it anymore.

So, you're right. We can read the Bible with preconceived notions. If we are God's kids, he will toss them out eventually to make room for truth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Deade said:
Well EG, you show me this possible evidence.

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I already showed you some

The fossil record are where they get these ages from. It is dry possible. Actually highly likely, the fossil record is the record pop the flood and not the millions of year age of the earth.

it took me about a year of studying pretty in-depth to even decide where I wanted to go in belief,, I can give you some general ideas.. But it may take a lot of study to see my points..
 
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trofimus said:
Some were, some were not. You cannot take just one species of those time and imagine it in modern world. It would not work.

A full ecosystem is needed or else it would not survive.
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I was just saying that dinos were not all carnivorous, and therefore would pose no threat to humans, especially if they really kept their distance, as some species of animal do. However, it seems you keep transposing your understanding of modern day life onto ancient times. It does not really work ;) Scientists are also wrong at times, about very basic things. Shocking, I know :eek:

For instance, in the Victorian era, scientist Edward Forbes concluded that sea life ceased to exist beyond 550 m, yet within five years, his ideas were blown out of the water. In Marianas Trench, which is almost eleven thousand meters deep, the water is freezing cold, there is very little to no light, and the pressure is pulverizing, but life abounds, despite the levels of methane and sulfur that would kill any other life forms.
 
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trofimus said:
Some were, some were not. You cannot take just one species of those time and imagine it in modern world. It would not work.

A full ecosystem is needed or else it would not survive.
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Why can't she, but you can? Honestly, you said they can't live in the present ecosystem. Really? Some have for up to 3000 years ago. And the only difference between the dinosaur croc and modern croc or dinosaur gator and modern gator is size!

Something like saying there can't be key deer because there are caribou. Both are the same species, they just happen to live in different ecosystems so adapted.

Iguanas can't eat seaweed either, except, viola! The Galapagos' iguana does. Iguanas don't swim for their food, and yet the Galapagos iguana does. Same species, just adapted.

Yes, sometimes species adapt. I know. Country girl now living in the city. lol
 
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Deade said:
I am not an evolutionist I am creationist that believes in the old earth theory. There is no other way for all the dinosaurs to have existed.

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I'm an I've-got-no-clue-how-old-the-earth-is creationist.
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
i posted a link that touches most of the key points of a young earth

here ill post one on the age of the earth

https://youtu.be/shyI-aQaXD0



at the very least it will be a fun watch brother

God bless you

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Some books I have read are the genesis flood - Morris and whitecome, Earths catastrophic past - snelling, The hydroplate theory - Walt brown. Long reads., but worth it. They all have compelling evidence and shows how it is possible.
 
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