How Do People Obtain Eternal Life?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#21
The point is they had to OBEY to be healed as one must obey Christ to be saved, Heb 5:9.
so having faith is not an act of obedience?
 
Mar 12, 2014
6,433
29
0
#22
actually, the NT shows Christ comes to us, not us to him.

He leaves the whole flock to go find the lost sheep

Mt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jn 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#24
Faith is a work just a going and looking at a serpent was a work.
so then the moment they had faith, before they looked. they were already obedient to God.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#25
Mt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jn 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.




Jesus CAME as the lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.


God draws us to himself. we do not draw ourselves to God.

do you ever give credit to God for ANYTHING? or do yuo want it all for yourself?
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#26


There is nothing in the language and grammar of Num 21:5-9 indicating
that people had to "come" to the image that Moses' constructed. All they had
to do was look upon it. Moses hoisted it up on a pole. In that location, the
image could be seen afar off.

======================
Don't worry as he trusts his works over the works of Jesus.......
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#27
NT context shows one must come to Christ.
There is nothing in the language and grammar of John 3:14-17 indicating
that people have to "come" to Jesus Christ in order to take advantage of his
crucifixion in the like manner that Yhvh's snake-bitten people took
advantage of the image of the vipers that Moses constructed and hoisted up
on a pole in Num 21:5-9.

===================================
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#28
Hear and obey Him:

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to,
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#29
Faith is a work just a going and looking at a serpent was a work.
Nobody had to "going". According to the language and grammar of Num
21:5-9, all that Yhvh's snake-bitten people had to do was look upon the
image. Moses hoisted it up on a pole so people could see it from a distance.

==================================
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#30
-
Some of the activity I've seen on this thread has prompted me to comment
on an incident that took place in the third chapter of the book of Genesis.

When the Serpent interrogated Eve about the forbidden fruit; here is what
she said.

"From the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has
said: You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die." (Gen 3:3)

Did God really say they couldn't touch it? No; He didn't. He only forbad them
to eat it. Eve embellished God's statement in Gen 2:17 by interpreting His
words instead of listening to His words.

It's very common to see people ignoring the Bible's language and grammar
and embellishing its texts. I don't know how God feels about that; but it's
my guess He gets somewhat chafed by it.

===========================
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#31
Hear and obey Him:

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to,
-
Some of the activity I've seen on this thread has prompted me to comment
on an incident that took place in the third chapter of the book of Genesis.

When the Serpent interrogated Eve about the forbidden fruit; here is what
she said.

"From the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has
said: You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die." (Gen 3:3)

Did God really say they couldn't touch it? No; He didn't. He only forbad them
to eat it. Eve embellished God's statement in Gen 2:17 by interpreting His
words instead of listening to His words.

It's very common to see people ignoring the Bible's language and grammar
and embellishing its texts. I don't know how God feels about that; but it's
my guess He gets somewhat chafed by it.

===========================
What do you think of the words I posted considering the context of the topic?
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#32
What do you think of the words I posted considering the context of the
topic?
This thread's focus is upon how Num 21:5-9 relates to John 3:14-17. If you
guys are determined to take it in another direction; be my guest. I have
bigger fish to fry anyway.

===================================
 
Last edited:

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#33


This thread's focus is upon how Num 21:5-9 relates to John 3:14-17. If you
guys are determined to take it in another direction; be my guest. I have
bigger fish to fry anyway.

===================================
I didn't mean it in another direction. I was trying to say all Salvation points toward Yahshua (Jesus), but yes that did stray a bit because didnt address those verse, that was not my intention. Sorry.
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#34
I didn't mean it in another direction. I was trying to say all Salvation points
toward Yahshua (Jesus), but yes that did stray a bit because didnt address
those verse, that was not my intention. Sorry.
Actually I've come to regret my remarks in post #32. The OP asks the
question "How Do People Obtain Eternal life" and now that I think about it:
you and the others have all been responding appropriately. Its a bit
conceited of me to think that mine alone is the correct answer.

This is me eating humble pie. :(

===============================
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#35


Actually I've come to regret my remarks in post #32. The OP asks the
question "How Do People Obtain Eternal life" and now that I think about it:
you and the others have all been responding appropriately. Its a bit
conceited of me to think that mine alone is the correct answer.

This is me eating humble pie. :(

===============================
No worries brother. The whole point we are here is to explore Scripture! :)

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
 

Atwood

Senior Member
May 1, 2014
4,995
53
48
#36
How does one get eternal life?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.

I give them eternal life and they shall never perish.

God so loved the world that He gave his unique Son that
whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

[All them who believer, rules out any other thing essential besides believe.]

for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

[EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES rules out anything essential added to faith.]

For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]


1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
 

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
32
0
#37
-
The water that Christ spoke of at John 4:10-14 is interesting. It's neither for
bathing, nor for baptizing, nor for laundry, nor for irrigation; but specifically
for drinking. And it's not even natural water; but rather: supernatural.

The word "drink" in John 4:14 is no doubt a figure of speech seeing as how
the water that Jesus offered the woman is supernatural; and if I understand
him correctly, seeing as how it produces everlasting life; then people need to
drink it only once; rather than repeatedly like they do natural water.

Everlasting life is a very rugged kind of life. It's impervious to death and
putrefaction. Obviously then, people who have it can't lose it because in
order to take it away from them, the life would have to be slain; which of
course is impossible. I mean, not even God can slay everlasting life seeing
as how its His own life. If it were possible to slay everlasting life, then it
would be possible to slay God; or even for God to commit suicide.

†. John 10:27-28 . . My sheep heed my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish.

That's a very easy promise for Christ to honor seeing as how eternal life is
an imperishable kind of life; viz: even if the good shepherd were to banish
one of his sheep into the wild, they would survive no matter what befell
them because they would be impervious to death. But "good" shepherds
don't banish their sheep; rather: they watch over the sheep; and even risk
their life for them if it comes to that.

====================================
 
Last edited:
Mar 12, 2014
6,433
29
0
#38
so then the moment they had faith, before they looked. they were already obedient to God.

The Israelites could have all the faith they wanted to have that God could heal them but not until they looked upon the serpent were they healed.

As Naaman could have had all the faith he wanted that God could heal him but not until he went and dipped 7 times in the river was he healed.

Faith alone, with no going and dipping or looking, would have done nothing.
 
Mar 12, 2014
6,433
29
0
#39


Jesus CAME as the lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.


God draws us to himself. we do not draw ourselves to God.

do you ever give credit to God for ANYTHING? or do yuo want it all for yourself?

Jn 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

God draws, men come.
 
Mar 12, 2014
6,433
29
0
#40
There is nothing in the language and grammar of John 3:14-17 indicating
that people have to "come" to Jesus Christ in order to take advantage of his
crucifixion in the like manner that Yhvh's snake-bitten people took
advantage of the image of the vipers that Moses constructed and hoisted up
on a pole in Num 21:5-9.

===================================

Jn 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

God draws, men come. No salvation if one does not come to Christ.

Rev 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Why offer an invitation for man to come if man does not have to come?

There is no drinking of the waters of life if man does not respond to the invitation and come.