How do we look at this "Endure to the End and be Saved" business?

[eternally-gratefull]

McArthur was right.
Osas Has to give a pass to those that take the mark.

GOD LITERALLY HAS HIS HANDS TIED

No. MacArthur is wrong

No one who is secure in Christ would ever take the mark. so it is not the issue

Like I said, you do not understand eternal security in Christ. OSAS or whatever you want to call it. It is foriegn to you, all you have is your version, which is not what any of us believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see how it effects the panoramic view of it's adherents'.

McArthur is osas. A major osas player.

Paul was osas, a major osas player, I would rather live with him, then some man who came around 2000 years later

When are you people going to realise following men is not the way to figure out Gods word.. It is frowned upon, Paul said so himself.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Yes,he does



You must not read scripture are you JW or mormon?

 

[popeye]

Paul was osas, a major osas player, I would rather live with him, then some man who came around 2000 years later

When are you people going to realise following men is not the way to figure out Gods word.. It is frowned upon, Paul said so himself.

All assumptions

You assume no Christian will take the mark.

You are actually one step away from calling Christians infallible.

You actually try to predict what a humanoid will and will not do.

So don't bemoan my deficiencies as your back door

 

[thecreationtutor]

I can say osas

I can say free will

The error is making it one dimensional.

Thus the wild boxing in of God and his word[/QUOTE}

Is Man's will free?
-how is that he's a slave to sin? that doesn't sound very free.

Is Man's will his hope?
-he cannot do anything righteous unto God

Is Man's will fallen, by the Curse? - unless you don't actually believe Genesis

I guess you must have some free will definition where man is Sovereign and God is not

 

[popeye]

Yes,he does



You must not read scripture are you JW or mormon?

That tactic of attacking your opponent is in alenski's rules for radicals.

Usually means you can not handle the biblical dimension of the op.

 

[popeye]

I can say osas

I can say free will

The error is making it one dimensional.

Thus the wild boxing in of God and his word[/QUOTE}

Is Man's will free?
-how is that he's a slave to sin? that doesn't sound very free.

Is Man's will his hope?
-he cannot do anything righteous unto God

Is Man's will fallen, by the Curse? - unless you don't actually believe Genesis

I guess you must have some free will definition where man is Sovereign and God is not

Sounds like you got it all figured out sir.

Don't let me get in the way.

 

[popeye]

Now,if one is given a pass for taking the mark,......

The whole thing is pointless,just take the mark since one guy was ok with it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[popeye]

How does a osas adherent"endure to the end"

He could actually do so in a beer joint or a brothel.

 

[popeye]

We will wait for the next answer from McArthurs workbook

LOL

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All assumptions

You assume no Christian will take the mark.

You are actually one step away from calling Christians infallible.

You actually try to predict what a humanoid will and will not do.

So don't bemoan my deficiencies as your back door

Like I said, You must never have experienced Gods love.

You also just admited God is not able to protect them. and give them confidence.. How else could I interpret what you said??

Why should I be afraid of the mark? Satan can;t touch me,, He can take my body, but as paul said, to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord..

It is people like you who has to rely on works who has to worry.. People in Christ have no fear.

 

[popeye]

Paul was osas, a major osas player, I would rather live with him, then some man who came around 2000 years later

When are you people going to realise following men is not the way to figure out Gods word.. It is frowned upon, Paul said so himself.

Why did he turn one over to Satan if God chose him and he was saved.

Surely you guys can wiggle out of that one huh?

Destruction of the flesh?

I thought "flesh" played no role?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How does a osas adherent"endure to the end"

He could actually do so in a beer joint or a brothel.

and why would he have any desire to do this.

Your pointless attacks are useless my friend. Again, it is obvious you do not understand what osas teaches.. so your relgated to strawman arguments and attacks.

It does not fit you well. but hey if thats what you have to do.. feel free.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why did he turn one over to Satan if God chose him and he was saved.

Surely you guys can wiggle out of that one huh?

Destruction of the flesh?

I thought "flesh" played no role?

well yeah it does.

The flesh must destroyed for people to follow Christ. The flesh can do not good, it can only do evil (inspite of what a few people here like to preach)

Salvation is not the issue.. Otherwise salvation is based on works not grace..

 

[popeye]

Like I said, You must never have experienced Gods love.

You also just admited God is not able to protect them. and give them confidence.. How else could I interpret what you said??

Why should I be afraid of the mark? Satan can;t touch me,, He can take my body, but as paul said, to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord..

It is people like you who has to rely on works who has to worry.. People in Christ have no fear.

How does your rabbit trail of going personal help your position?

I already told you your attacks are not your back door.

Get a new plan,like addressing the subject.

 

[popeye]

well yeah it does.

The flesh must destroyed for people to follow Christ. The flesh can do not good, it can only do evil (inspite of what a few people here like to preach)

Salvation is not the issue.. Otherwise salvation is based on works not grace..

Uh,hello???

Paul was addressing salvation.

Try again please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Uh,hello???

Paul was addressing salvation.

Try again please.

oh he was? Says who?? You??

 

[popeye]

How does a osas adherent"endure to the end"

He could actually do so in a beer joint or a brothel.

^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^

As if no saints do those things.


Oh,ok,no REAL SAINT.

Well guess what? We are now in the realm of a cult.

We are down to 2classes. Infallible SINLESS SAINTS,and heathens.

 

[popeye]

oh he was? Says who?? You??

LOL
I knew you did not know that verse.

Read it.
Get back to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How does your rabbit trail of going personal help your position?

I already told you your attacks are not your back door.

Get a new plan,like addressing the subject.

in other words, do not do as you do, but do as you say..

ok got it.

Why do you not listen to what is said, and stop assuming you know so much.

I am stating what I see, You have sat here today and made many accusations against grace and eternal security which are not founded on truth, but according to what people say.

If you do not like hearing that, from someone who actually believes it, They that is not my fault.

If your going to judge my faith, then at least show you understand it, until then, all you can do is attack unfounded accusations which are not true.