How do we look at this "Endure to the End and be Saved" business?
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maybe one day you will find reality.
The cross means nothing to you. Jesus died for nothing..
You can save yourself..
Good luck with that, you no better than a jew or a muslim.. Who also believes they must earn their salvation..
both of those statements are false.
Again, your and your armies lies against what you do not understand are quite sickening.
The cross means nothing to you. Jesus died for nothing..
You can save yourself..
Good luck with that, you no better than a jew or a muslim.. Who also believes they must earn their salvation..
both of those statements are false.
Again, your and your armies lies against what you do not understand are quite sickening.
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It is the opposite of osas. We need effort, we need to grow in Christ, we need to worship till we die- not just say "Ok, I'm saved, I can do whatever I want now, no more need to go to church or rid my life of sinful habits." What does Jesus say? You must pick up your own cross and follow Him. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling" does not sound like no effort. Effort is the evidence of love. If you love Him, you will obey what He commands (sounds active to me, not just osas).
Let us walk in step with the Holy Spirit so that he empowers us to walk out our sanctification. I think someone in the argument here thinks that their effort is good enough and they are successful when Christ was us to be faithful
Well done good and faithful servant - not well done good and successful servant
The belief and the action go hand in hand.
We can't do anything good by ourselves, (our works are unrighteous), We can't sin when Christ is in control of us (by Christ i can do all things)
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
We can't do anything good by ourselves, (our works are unrighteous), We can't sin when Christ is in control of us (by Christ i can do all things)
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
No good in me so i have no hope. But with Christ in me i do His works and actions, if i'm dead to self (which isn't easy) and i allow Christ to have His way, His righteousness is seen in me (all glory to Him).
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
No good in me so i have no hope. But with Christ in me i do His works and actions, if i'm dead to self (which isn't easy) and i allow Christ to have His way, His righteousness is seen in me (all glory to Him).
wouldn't faithfulness imply you were give something to do? Something to hope towards, strive towards? I don't know where the argument comes from. Are we too worried that the Holy Spirit isn't going to work in other peoples lives according to what we believe, that we have to make sure we tell them. That if someone is born again by the Spirit, he hears the Spirit, and does what the Spirit says? Maybe instead of trying to goad a goat, we could encourage the sheep
Or Goats pretending to be christian in any theological framework, it's people - they are the problem. Anyone can take any theological framework and go in that direction.
To actively engage in critiquing, harping on, or condemning a theological view as "my eyes were opened" to it, might just mean we have a bias, and we interpret scripture in a manner as to prove our point - this is called eisegesis or the Scientific Method - which is a logical fallacy. "affirming the consequent" The same way mormons, jw's, and atheists interpret the Bible - and a lot of churches - no matter the theological framework.
To actively engage in critiquing, harping on, or condemning a theological view as "my eyes were opened" to it, might just mean we have a bias, and we interpret scripture in a manner as to prove our point - this is called eisegesis or the Scientific Method - which is a logical fallacy. "affirming the consequent" The same way mormons, jw's, and atheists interpret the Bible - and a lot of churches - no matter the theological framework.
