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First my comment was about prophecy I HAVE NEVER MADE A PROPHECY and I never claim to speak for Yahweh, I have never told someone the Lord says this or that or Yahweh says this or that. Only if I was 100% certian I was to carry a message directly from yahweh would I speak in this manner. Anything I speak about/teach/debate is Scriptual, period. You see I take these things very serious.
Deuteronomy 13:1-4, "If there arises among you a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder he spoke to you comes to pass, but then he says: Let us follow after gods (which you have not known) and let us serve them, You must not listen to the words of that prophet or that foreteller of dreams, for Yahweh your Father is testing you to know whether you love Yahweh your Father with all your heart and all your
soul, or whether you do not. It is Yahweh your Father you must walk after, and it is Him you must reverence. Keep His Laws and obey His voice, then you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him."
Deuteronomy 18:20-22, "But a prophet who deliberately, wilfully, and knowingly speaks a word in My Name, which I have not commanded him to say, and who speaks in the name of any god that prophet must be put to death. And you may say to yourself: How can we know when a message has not been spoken by Yahweh? If what a prophet proclaims in the
Name of Yahweh does not come to pass, or does not come true: that is a message Yahweh has not spoken. That prophet
has deliberately, wilfully, and knowingly spoken what is not true. Do not reverence him."
Yeremyah 23:21-22, "have not sent these prophets, yet they ran; I have not spoken dof them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words then they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings."
Deuteronomy 13:1-4, "If there arises among you a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder he spoke to you comes to pass, but then he says: Let us follow after gods (which you have not known) and let us serve them, You must not listen to the words of that prophet or that foreteller of dreams, for Yahweh your Father is testing you to know whether you love Yahweh your Father with all your heart and all your
soul, or whether you do not. It is Yahweh your Father you must walk after, and it is Him you must reverence. Keep His Laws and obey His voice, then you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him."
Deuteronomy 18:20-22, "But a prophet who deliberately, wilfully, and knowingly speaks a word in My Name, which I have not commanded him to say, and who speaks in the name of any god that prophet must be put to death. And you may say to yourself: How can we know when a message has not been spoken by Yahweh? If what a prophet proclaims in the
Name of Yahweh does not come to pass, or does not come true: that is a message Yahweh has not spoken. That prophet
has deliberately, wilfully, and knowingly spoken what is not true. Do not reverence him."
Yeremyah 23:21-22, "have not sent these prophets, yet they ran; I have not spoken dof them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words then they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings."
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I understand what you have said about speaking as a false prophet and I agree, but I asked you about speaking falsehood with your tongue as part of the brethren. As a brother are we also to live by and speak every word of God and let no corrupt communication proceed from our mouth? Did not Yahweh also tell us that we will be judged by every idle word we speak in (Mt 12:36). What is your response to these things, if any?
Isaiah 59:12-14 12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;13 In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
Isaiah 59:12-14 12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;13 In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
I will answer your question, but I wonder why it is you chose to pick me out of the crowd to ask ( a little like you expect me to be guilty) me a question that was not directly connected to the OP or any of my words, here goes:
First you I do believe we are held accountable as MT 12:-36 says, while in human form I do hold myself accountable for every sin I commit that I realize, my "heart" will not allow me to do otherwise. "lying against the Lord" I stand on the word of Yahweh only, no man made doctrines, denomonations, or thelogical cemetaries, if Yahweh didnt say it I wont lie against His word. "uttering from the heart words of falsehood" no and may Yahweh never let it be so, i would like to die before ever doing this. I had to get that out of the way as sometimes people want to attach your words to something you didnt say (not saying you,but you probably know there are those who do this). OK, do I sin, yes I do, but since Yahweh has changed me I do not serve sin and thus sin a fraction of what I used to, and have hope to contiue in this direction of obedience. have i ever pronounced a word wrong, or typed the wrong thing, or misquoted a verse, yes, but i will correct the error, unless i dont notice it, or will give a disclaimer and say "this is my opinion" or "i havent fully studied but from what i know....." i take this very serious and am willing to be held accountable to Yahweh, after all He is perfection, so if He says I have made a mistake, I have made a mistake, period. now if your want to apply a "false" tag feel free to, i can not stop you, however a prophet making false prophecies and mis-speaking are 2 different things, after all name one man besides yahshua that never mis-spoke? but saying "the Lord told me this or that" and its not true very different, that is putting words in Yahweh's mouth, something i do not partake in.
Now the verse in Isayah is not directly dealing with JUST this topic, so my answer will not include in depth answers for all of its attributes as much of what it says I take no part in "departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood." You ask me if I ever speak an errat word and then post a verse about "speaking oppression", no, the ways of Yahweh I do not call oppression, nor burden, but I call all of them joy and blessings. No "revolt" here either, just the oppisite, I speak obedience and submission to ALL Yahweh Commands." "departing away from our God", never, again the oppisite, I speak the acts of a bondservant not the rebellious words of lawlessness.
First you I do believe we are held accountable as MT 12:-36 says, while in human form I do hold myself accountable for every sin I commit that I realize, my "heart" will not allow me to do otherwise. "lying against the Lord" I stand on the word of Yahweh only, no man made doctrines, denomonations, or thelogical cemetaries, if Yahweh didnt say it I wont lie against His word. "uttering from the heart words of falsehood" no and may Yahweh never let it be so, i would like to die before ever doing this. I had to get that out of the way as sometimes people want to attach your words to something you didnt say (not saying you,but you probably know there are those who do this). OK, do I sin, yes I do, but since Yahweh has changed me I do not serve sin and thus sin a fraction of what I used to, and have hope to contiue in this direction of obedience. have i ever pronounced a word wrong, or typed the wrong thing, or misquoted a verse, yes, but i will correct the error, unless i dont notice it, or will give a disclaimer and say "this is my opinion" or "i havent fully studied but from what i know....." i take this very serious and am willing to be held accountable to Yahweh, after all He is perfection, so if He says I have made a mistake, I have made a mistake, period. now if your want to apply a "false" tag feel free to, i can not stop you, however a prophet making false prophecies and mis-speaking are 2 different things, after all name one man besides yahshua that never mis-spoke? but saying "the Lord told me this or that" and its not true very different, that is putting words in Yahweh's mouth, something i do not partake in.
Now the verse in Isayah is not directly dealing with JUST this topic, so my answer will not include in depth answers for all of its attributes as much of what it says I take no part in "departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood." You ask me if I ever speak an errat word and then post a verse about "speaking oppression", no, the ways of Yahweh I do not call oppression, nor burden, but I call all of them joy and blessings. No "revolt" here either, just the oppisite, I speak obedience and submission to ALL Yahweh Commands." "departing away from our God", never, again the oppisite, I speak the acts of a bondservant not the rebellious words of lawlessness.
I guess we can throw in Hal Lindsey with his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" (he predicted the rapture 1980s): Tim LaHaye, is another who has popularized Lindsey's pretrib/premill nonsense, and who puts forth the same rhetoric in his "Left Behind" fantasy series. And lets not forget Harold Camping. I'm sure I could come up with more but it's not necessary, you'll get my drift.
let's put Mr. Scofield in there too.
who went so far as to add to the word of God through his footnotes - which people read and accept over what God's Word actually says...just because those footnotes are inside a Bible in close proximity to the sacred words.
this is beyond any paperback novels or speculations in articles and colorful charts.
it's downright evil.
who went so far as to add to the word of God through his footnotes - which people read and accept over what God's Word actually says...just because those footnotes are inside a Bible in close proximity to the sacred words.
this is beyond any paperback novels or speculations in articles and colorful charts.
it's downright evil.
this is about exactly what it says.
turning away from what He said.
uttering words of falsehood in His Name.
casting truth into the street.
Re: How many false prophecies make a false prophet?
a serious portion of what Israel was doing was listening to false prophets and killing the true prophets who God sent to speak His WORDS.
you seem to continually suggest that discussion of, testing and rejecting false prophets and false prophecies - and warning people - isn't allowed - just let it go and don't say anything. that's not Biblical either.
if somebody comes along claiming to be speaking directly for God, we better take notice - because they either 100% ARE, or they 100% are NOT.
i presume false prophets (speaking out of their own vain imaginations claiming God told them stuff directly) can repent...do you ever call for them to repent and be forgiven?
do you ever warn people that they may be listening to someone claiming direct revelation from God that they may not be?
or doesn't it matter in this 'Dispensation of Grace'?
turning away from what He said.
uttering words of falsehood in His Name.
casting truth into the street.
Re: How many false prophecies make a false prophet?
a serious portion of what Israel was doing was listening to false prophets and killing the true prophets who God sent to speak His WORDS.
you seem to continually suggest that discussion of, testing and rejecting false prophets and false prophecies - and warning people - isn't allowed - just let it go and don't say anything. that's not Biblical either.
if somebody comes along claiming to be speaking directly for God, we better take notice - because they either 100% ARE, or they 100% are NOT.
i presume false prophets (speaking out of their own vain imaginations claiming God told them stuff directly) can repent...do you ever call for them to repent and be forgiven?
do you ever warn people that they may be listening to someone claiming direct revelation from God that they may not be?
or doesn't it matter in this 'Dispensation of Grace'?
B
And we better make darn sure that we are 100% spiritual and 0% carnal because there are not only false prophets but also false brethren that can bring in words of falsehood about others and damnable heresies that are destructive. If we are going to warn people we better make sure we have it 100% right, that we are Spirit filled and have a call from God to do so or we should keep still and keep our tongue from sinning. Some of us want to be able to say what you want because we have studied and it makes what we say alright in our book. Our pastor and the word he has been given to preach should put us to the test as it cuts to the joints and marrow. If it doesn't cut it's not worth a tinker's dam. It's better to mind our own business and get on with the work of the ministry in our local church and honor God's word that way instead of being busy bodies with unwise comparing through doctrine and knowledge.
doesn't your pastor preach pretribulation rapture and dispensations - whereby the church is separate from israel?
and that this Mystery Church Age is all grace, Law is non-applicable in any way today - until the church is suspended above old jerusalem which the earth goes back to Law so the jews can have the kingdom they always wanted (not)?
i might [not] have you confused with someone else - forgive me if that's the case.
Advocates of hyper-dispensationalism call themselves members of the "grace movement," and reject the prefix "hyper" or "ultra" as pejorative (often considering it derogatory or misinforming). Within the United States, advocates often refer to themselves as members of the "Grace Movement,"[8] and affiliate with the [Grace Gospel Fellowship], a church association, and its Grace Bible College in Grand Rapids, Michigan, or the more conservative Berean Bible Fellowship.
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and that this Mystery Church Age is all grace, Law is non-applicable in any way today - until the church is suspended above old jerusalem which the earth goes back to Law so the jews can have the kingdom they always wanted (not)?
i might [not] have you confused with someone else - forgive me if that's the case.
Advocates of hyper-dispensationalism call themselves members of the "grace movement," and reject the prefix "hyper" or "ultra" as pejorative (often considering it derogatory or misinforming). Within the United States, advocates often refer to themselves as members of the "Grace Movement,"[8] and affiliate with the [Grace Gospel Fellowship], a church association, and its Grace Bible College in Grand Rapids, Michigan, or the more conservative Berean Bible Fellowship.
Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
Once.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."
I don't advocate a physical stoning, but I do advocate a spiritual stoning. Which means consider them and their words as meaningless and dead to you.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."
I don't advocate a physical stoning, but I do advocate a spiritual stoning. Which means consider them and their words as meaningless and dead to you.
B
Am I going to get in trouble again for using plural pronouns? You just might have me confused but I do believe in the grace of God. There are many things that you attribute to all believers who consider dispensation teaching as a viable and dependable method of understanding God's purposes and dealings with man throughout the ages. I do believe that this dispensation of grace that we have been born into through the new birth is a great dispensation and I appreciate every measure of grace that God has extended through his Son during this time. During the time of the great tribulation it will be a time of trouble and turmoil upon the earth, for the most part, that will end with the return of Christ at the second coming. The nations will be judged and we will enter into the time of the 1,000 year millennial reign of Christ on the earth. Then Satan, who has been bound for that period of time, will be loosed to deceive the nations and gather from the four corners of the earth those who are in rebellion to encompass the camp of the saints and the beloved city.
At this time those gathered against the saints will be devoured by fire from heaven and Satan shall be cast in the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. Then we have the Great White Throne judgment, where the dead both small and great shall be judged out of the things that are written in the books according to their works. All those who were not written in the other book, the Lambs book of life, including those who were delivered up from the dead in the sea, along with death and hell were also judged and cast into the lake of fire, the second death. At that point the memory, the pain and suffering of all those who take part and taste the second death will be wiped away and then a new will dawn arise as of a new heaven and a new earth, with the New and Great City of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven and God making all things new.
Rev 21:24-27 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
At this time those gathered against the saints will be devoured by fire from heaven and Satan shall be cast in the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. Then we have the Great White Throne judgment, where the dead both small and great shall be judged out of the things that are written in the books according to their works. All those who were not written in the other book, the Lambs book of life, including those who were delivered up from the dead in the sea, along with death and hell were also judged and cast into the lake of fire, the second death. At that point the memory, the pain and suffering of all those who take part and taste the second death will be wiped away and then a new will dawn arise as of a new heaven and a new earth, with the New and Great City of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven and God making all things new.
Rev 21:24-27 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I don't get when someone wants to feel very special than the others. Being a prophet is not that easy, it's a big burden and big responsibility. If we put it this way that the guy is really a prophet. I don't think he can survive against all the persecutions, temptations, trials, affliction and the lists goes on and on. You cannot live normal life since all the kingdom from hell are always targeting you. That's why God carefully choose a person who has the heart of stone and passion.
I like reading all the stories of the prophets in the bible but I don't want to become one and thank God He didn't call me to be one. I wanna live normal, "a normal christian" who can only share the gospel to his love ones,friends, people whom you meet, who can overcome trials that i can only bear( Maybe not that big or great),bring my 10% at church, attending bible studies, goes every sunday at church for fellowship and can always eat chicken or pork adobo and ice cream LoL hahaha. that's all.
I don't think a prophet can live freely i listed LOL . As prophet you will always fast and mostly isolated from any delicious food LoL , non-stop praying and make lots of sacrifices.
Ok whose the tough guy here who wanna be a prophet ? LoL
I like reading all the stories of the prophets in the bible but I don't want to become one and thank God He didn't call me to be one. I wanna live normal, "a normal christian" who can only share the gospel to his love ones,friends, people whom you meet, who can overcome trials that i can only bear( Maybe not that big or great),bring my 10% at church, attending bible studies, goes every sunday at church for fellowship and can always eat chicken or pork adobo and ice cream LoL hahaha. that's all.
I don't think a prophet can live freely i listed LOL . As prophet you will always fast and mostly isolated from any delicious food LoL , non-stop praying and make lots of sacrifices.
Ok whose the tough guy here who wanna be a prophet ? LoL
