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Magenta

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I have issues with several verses in Paul's letters such as the verse in 1 Corinthians 9 about being "all things to all people"....this cannot be as you cannot be a drug dealer to witness to a drug dealer .....its just does not make sense....
Someone could be a former drug user/dealer and witness to those caught in the cycle of self destructive addiction :) Addiction does not confine itself to drugs, though :D People who may have never used or dealt drugs may understand the cunning, baffling, and powerful lure of addiction quite well.
 
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Someone could be a former drug user/dealer and witness to those caught in the cycle of self destructive addiction :) Addiction does not confine itself to drugs, though :D People who may have never used or dealt drugs may understand the cunning, baffling, and powerful lure of addiction quite well.
Not to mention the fact that the power rests with the message and not the messenger......those who were totally opposed to Paul were preaching in order to cause Paul more difficulty and "add to his bonds" and he rejoiced I the fact that the word was being preached....because he understood where the power was....in the message.....
 

Locutus

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Someone could be a former drug user/dealer and witness to those caught in the cycle of self destructive addiction :) Addiction does not confine itself to drugs, though :D People who may have never used or dealt drugs may understand the cunning, baffling, and powerful lure of addiction quite well.

The guy is taking Paul's statement totally out of context, he's either totally devoid of understanding or using this as a pretext to discredit Paul.
 
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The guy is taking Paul's statement totally out of context, he's either totally devoid of understanding or using this as a pretext to discredit Paul.
I vote both A and B.........
 

stonesoffire

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There is a movement today against the writings of Paul. I heard more of this from another forum than CC.

Am reading Paul: Jewish Law and Early Christianity.

There was controversy from the very beginning concerning Paul. And a rumor was started after his death, that he was born a gentile, fell in love with a Jewish woman, and to try to win her, he did a half-hearted attempt to follow the mosaic law. She rejected him, and in frustration he turned back to his pagan roots.

This is in history, no lie! And blew my mind!

So the devil really has nothing new. :)
 
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Luke wrote Acts, as well as one of the four gospels. Was Luke an apostle?
All of those who are sent by God to do His will are apostles. An apostle is a sent one.Adding other meanings to the word causes divisions.

In the truest sense of the word Rehab was a apostle sent to deliver them from the hand of the enemy.

When a meaning is added to a word like that when the apostles in fear played "who is the greatest" (walking by sight) as did the apostles in Luke 9 when they misunderstood the parables Christ spoke. In doing so they make the greatest "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura) without effect. And in doing so revealed their false pride of glorying in the flesh . It would of been much easier for them to ask Christ the meaning of the parable rather than acting like he disappeared.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.And these things, brethren, I have in a figure
(parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.1Co 4:8
 

Locutus

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There is a movement today against the writings of Paul. I heard more of this from another forum than CC.

Am reading Paul: Jewish Law and Early Christianity.

There was controversy from the very beginning concerning Paul. And a rumor was started after his death, that he was born a gentile, fell in love with a Jewish woman, and to try to win her, he did a half-hearted attempt to follow the mosaic law. She rejected him, and in frustration he turned back to his pagan roots.

This is in history, no lie! And blew my mind!

So the devil really has nothing new. :)
What history is that Stones - that's a new 'un to me.
 

oldhermit

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I have issues with several verses in Paul's letters such as the verse in 1 Corinthians 9 about being "all things to all people"....this cannot be as you cannot be a drug dealer to witness to a drug dealer .....its just does not make sense.....

Yes if you like to use scripture that is fine, but I prefer that you cross reference Paul's writings with what Jesus said (4 gospels) and if they line up....i will say some things do line up but a lot of things Paul said seems more pharasee/judaism type leanings imo....

Most of Paul's writings deal with OT type institutions such as church/synagogue heirarchy, women's role in the church/appearance, but I believe under the new covenant with Jesus these were all "old and unnecessary" religious rituals that Paul through his misguided judaism roots wanted to re-enslave christians to the OT rulebook of the Jews.....with arcane rules about women, and authority following of leaders etc....Jesus never said to do this....imo....
You need to understand something about context. The context is the limit in which a statement is made or an idea is presented. In 1 Cor. Paul is addressing the issues that were common in the Jew / Gentile relations within the Church. Without going through a lengthy explanation, the bottom line is that for the sake of unity in the Church, if you are a Gentile in the home of a Jew, then accept the practices of the Jews honored in that home. If you are a Jew in the home of Gentile, then accept the practices of the Gentiles honored in that home. As this relates to the eating of meats, Paul says eat it and ask no questions. If you are a Jew eating in the home a Gentile and ham is on the menu, Paul says, "If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience." The basic idea is this. If you are a Jew, be a Gentile when among the Gentiles. If you are a Gentile, be a Jew when among the Jews. Paul is not talking about becoming murders, drug dealers, pedophiles, or any other such nonsense.
 
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Well Luke was a physician who historically bible scholars say used the previous 3 gospels (matt, mark, john) to gather information about Jesus. He was also alive during the latter years of apostles such as John so he could ask him along with other eyewitnesses of the time of Jesus about their experiences and write about them.

As for being inspired....I will say that the material is inspired but as far as Luke being inspired himself I do not believe that...he was more of a historian/fact gatherer rather than the Holy Spirit speaking through him(Luke) he was just documenting the events that happened in Jesus life time by way of interviewing/gathering facts from people who lived when Jesus was physically on Earth.
sorry, but you have been misinformed, there are more than just the 12.

A great cloud of witness including Luke.
Many apostles(disciples(followers...talmidim.



[h=1]John 6:60-70 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h][FONT=&quot]60 On hearing it, many of his talmidim said, “This is a hard word — who can bear to listen to it?” 61 But Yeshua, aware that his talmidim were grumbling about this, said to them, “This is a trap for you? 62 Suppose you were to see the Son of Man going back up to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help. The words I have spoken to you are Spirit and life, 64 yet some among you do not trust.” (For Yeshua knew from the outset which ones would not trust him, also which one would betray him.) 65 “This,” he said, “is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has made it possible for him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]66 From this time on, many of his talmidim turned back and no longer traveled around with him. 67 So Yeshua said to the Twelve, “Don’t you want to leave too?” 68 Shim‘on Kefa answered him, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the word of eternal life. 69 We have trusted, and we know that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Yeshua answered them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is an adversary.”[/FONT]
 
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stonesoffire

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What history is that Stones - that's a new 'un to me.
I said the title of the writing. :) look at the post again. It's from biblical archeology. I have a subscription and this is one of their ebooks included. A wealth of info for 9.00 a yr.

man, my ipad is screwing up bad today. Lol
 

Locutus

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eternally-gratefull

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There is a movement today against the writings of Paul. I heard more of this from another forum than CC.

Am reading Paul: Jewish Law and Early Christianity.

There was controversy from the very beginning concerning Paul. And a rumor was started after his death, that he was born a gentile, fell in love with a Jewish woman, and to try to win her, he did a half-hearted attempt to follow the mosaic law. She rejected him, and in frustration he turned back to his pagan roots.

This is in history, no lie! And blew my mind!

So the devil really has nothing new. :)
they do not like his grace alone through faith alone, or as they call it “easy believism” theology, so they just want to get rid of his words altogether.
 

Deade

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There is a movement today against the writings of Paul. I heard more of this from another forum than CC.

Am reading Paul: Jewish Law and Early Christianity.

There was controversy from the very beginning concerning Paul. And a rumor was started after his death, that he was born a gentile, fell in love with a Jewish woman, and to try to win her, he did a half-hearted attempt to follow the mosaic law. She rejected him, and in frustration he turned back to his pagan roots.

This is in history, no lie! And blew my mind!

So the devil really has nothing new. :)
Whoa! What then do they do with the following:

Acts 13:21: "And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years."

Romans 11:1: "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."


Philippians 3:5: "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;"

So Paul wasn't of Judah, but was of the Israelite tribe of Benjamin. When the Northern tribes were taken captive by the Assyrians, Benjamin and Simeon were assimilated into Judah. Technically he wasn't a Jew but he wasn't a gentile either.
:cool:
 

EarsToHear

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Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Does this say that Paul was a volunteer for the service of the church? No, God said, "He is a chosen vessel unto me," meaning that Paul was one of God's elect. Paul had gained the experience to serve a purpose for God, and God knew Paul from the beginning. From before even the foundations of the world [this earth age of the flesh].

Paul was selected by God to bear the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the Gentiles, the kings, which are those in authority, and the children of Israel. Paul had a three-fold mission. Paul, therefore, taught on three levels, and it is for this reason that any true teacher, gifted in God's Word, will also teach on three levels. These levels mean that wherever one person is in the Word of God, there will be a message in it for them.

As those people grow and mature in the Word, they could listen to that same teacher three times and each time through, they should learn something new each time. They will think that it is a new discovery each time through, for God's Word builds on itself, and what is important to the baby in Christ, seeking the milk of the Word, is different than the mature Christian that seeks more than just salvation and baptism. A gifted teacher, such as Paul, teaches on whatever level the listener is at. That is why it is important that you learn from the Word of God, and not the words and traditions of men.

Notice there is a difference between those men of free will, and those men that have a destiny, and purpose of the elect of God.

Those of the elect know deep inside themselves that they have a destiny and purpose for their lives.

Paul knew he had a destiny, only he was confused which way that was. He grabbed out at man's way, instead of seeking God's way. When the time came, God put a stop to Paul's way, and He blinded him.
 
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why would the supposed learned Englishmen of England leave it as SUN and not SON plus it is a capitalized S in sun nowhere else in the Bible is sun capitalized.....
They used the proper Hebrew meaning for the word Sun, not Son, another word.

The Sun is used to represent the Son of man as a representative glory of God’s unseen glory, the face of God. It is most likely why it is capitalized

Strongs lexicon..08121 shemesh {sheh'-mesh}
from an unused root meaning to be brilliant; TWOT - 2417a; n f/m
AV - sun 119, sunrising + 04217 9, east side + 04217 2, windows 1, eastward + 04217 1, west + 03996 1, westward + 03996 1; 134
1) sun 1a) sun 1b) sunrise, sun-rising, east, sun-setting, west (of direction) 1c) sun (as object of illicit worship) 1d) openly, publicly (in other phrases) 1e) pinnacles, battlements, shields (as glittering or shining)


1Peter 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Capitalizing the C in faithful Creator does much of the same the ownership of the glory that cannot be looked into, until we receive our new incorruptible bodies. All die not receiving that glory, by faith we are moved forward. Then His glory will shine like the Sun never again to diminish and become corrupted and die.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Rev 21:22
 
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pottersclay

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Sun of rightousness......hhhmmm .


For the Lord God is a sun and shield; The Lord will give grace and glory; No good thing will He withhold From those who walk uprightly.

Doesn't sound like Mason stuff to me. But what do I know. :rolleyes:
 

posthuman

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Sometimes the value of reading a thread is in seeing and learning how NOT to think, so that when you see yourself doing the same things, thinking the same way as what you are reading someone else say, you know you are wrong, and seriously in error.

:rolleyes:
 

Nehemiah6

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All of those who are sent by God to do His will are apostles. An apostle is a sent one.Adding other meanings to the word causes divisions.
As long as we are clear that there are ONLY twelve apostles of the Lamb, corresponding to the twelve foundations of the wall of the heavenly city New Jerusalem (Rev 21:14). And Paul is the 12th apostle (replacing Judas).

All those who deny the legitimacy of Paul should publicly tell us that they will also trash more than half the New Testament.