I don't know how people cope when they believe God is going to judge them

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blue_pen

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I have a much more meaningful explanation of the last judgement, one free of fear where noone is condemned by God (which has tormented me for many years now). I don't want to start an argument where Christians start arguing FOR hell, only a discussion that frees us from fear. Thanks.
The Meaning of the Last Judgement
The Last Judgement is one of the greatest threat concepts in man’s perception. This is only because he does not understand it. Judgement is not an essential attribute of God. Man brought judgement into being only because of the separation. After the separation, however, there WAS a place for judgement as one of the many learning devices which had to be built into the overall plan. Just as the separation occurred over many millions of years, the Last Judgement will extend over a similarly long period, and perhaps an even longer one. Its length depends, however, on the effectiveness of the present speed-up.
The Last Judgement is generally thought of as a procedure undertaken by God. Actually it will be undertaken by man, with my (Jesus') help. It is a Final Healing, rather than a meting out of punishment, however much man may think that punishment is deserved. Punishment is a concept in TOTAL opposition to right-mindedness. The aim of the Last Judgement is to RESTORE right-mindedness to man.
The Last Judgement might be called a process of right evaluation. It simply means that finally all men will come to understand what is worthy and what is not. After this, their ability to choose can be directed reasonably. Until this distinction is made, however, the vacillations between free and imprisoned will cannot BUT continue. The first step toward freedom MUST entail a sorting out of the false from the true. This is a process of division only in the constructive sense, and reflects the true meaning of the Apocalypse. Man will ultimately look upon his own creations and will to preserve only what is good, just as God Himself looked upon what He had created and knew that it WAS good.
At this point, the will can begin to look with love on its own creations because of their great worthiness. The mind will inevitably disown its miscreations which, without the mind’s belief, will no longer exist. The term “Last Judgement” is frightening not only because it has been falsely projected onto God, but also because of the association of “last” with death. This is an outstanding example of upside-down perception. Actually, if the meaning of the Last Judgement is objectively examined, it is quite apparent that it is really the doorway to life.
No-one who lives in fear is really alive. His own last judgement cannot be directed toward himself because he is not his own creation. He can, however, apply it meaningfully and at ANY time to everything he has created, and retain in his memory ONLY what is good. This is what his right-mindedness cannot BUT dictate. The purpose of time is solely to “give him time” to achieve this judgement. It is his own perfect judgement of his own creations. When everything he retains is loveable, there IS no reason for fear to remain with him. This IS his part in the Atonement.
A Course in Miracles
 

JaumeJ

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Those who believe Yeshua have passed from death to life. By their confessions they are judged as righteous by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh. Praise Him today and forever, amen.

Those who reject the Lamb of Yahweh do not believe they will come into judgment. This is part of "how they cope," not to mention the inherent arrogance of thinking there is no Maker of all things that are. People who thrive on intellect are such, or they believe they are doing Yahweh a favor. Praise Yahweh, He is worthy, amen. (I hope this does not sound too "religious.")
 
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I think it strange that as a Christian you argue FOR judgement
 

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I think it strange that as a Christian you argue FOR judgement
Christ bore God's judgment and wrath on the cross for those who receive that gift. Instead of redefining God in order to hide from His judgement why not receive the love and forgiveness of God found alone in His crucified Son?
 
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I didn't redefine God, whoever wrote Revelation did. And the purpose of Jesus' life was his resurrection, not his crucifixion.
 

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I think it strange that as a Christian you argue FOR judgement
The you probably don't care for Peter much either...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Here Peter plainly says judgment is on the church today. And Paul, I suspect you really wonder about him...

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Sorry, but judgment occurs to every man.
 
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The you probably don't care for Peter much either...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Here Peter plainly says judgment is on the church today. And Paul, I suspect you really wonder about him...

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Sorry, but judgment occurs to every man.
True I don't care much for the bible, it ruins my life believing stories of judgement
 

john832

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Why is judgment necessarily bad? You are confusing salvation with judgment. Salvation is a free gift, judgment is the determining of the rewards or lack there of.

1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 

JaumeJ

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It is impossible not to believe Revelation is not in line with Daniel, Zecharias, and all other writings about the end times. How does anyone believe Revelation redefines our Father? It does expand somewhat on what is already written.


I didn't redefine God, whoever wrote Revelation did. And the purpose of Jesus' life was his resurrection, not his crucifixion.
 
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Why is judgment necessarily bad? You are confusing salvation with judgment. Salvation is a free gift, judgment is the determining of the rewards or lack there of.

1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
I want to discuss my opening post and it's freedom from fearful connatations, not the bible
 

JaumeJ

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What does this declaration you make say about you? This forum is dedicated to Bible discussion and fellowship, you know, for those who believe it, or they wish to learn about it. Do you have a desire to know the Word (All of the Bible), or are you here with a personal agenda? You know the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh is for you also, to cleanse you and make you whole..............welcome.

True I don't care much for the bible, it ruins my life believing stories of judgement
 
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godsgirl3777

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Oh boy people please get this judgement is reserved for the unsaved. For those that die in their sin and do not repent. The saved persons sins have been forgiven on the cross and through repentance meaning (not LIVING IN sin) doesn't mean that the saved person can live any old way. (For such were some off you) if u are truly saved u will want to live a life holy and pleasing to god
 
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I think it strange that as a Christian you argue FOR judgement
Because as a Christian we believe God's word, and God explains a lot about judgment in His word. It speaks of many other things that are related like justice, forgiveness, grace, law, sin, many things. Each is like a brick to build a house, each must fit in its place and no brick can be left out. God says He will judge, I'm a Christian, therefore I believe God will judge, just as I believe all God says.
 
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Oh boy people please get this judgement is reserved for the unsaved. For those that die in their sin and do not repent. The saved persons sins have been forgiven on the cross and through repentance meaning (not LIVING IN sin) doesn't mean that the saved person can live any old way. (For such were some off you) if u are truly saved u will want to live a life holy and pleasing to god
I was hoping you would read my original post and see God's plan lies in THAT and not stories of saved and unsaved and sin and righteousness and heaven and hell etc
 
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What does this declaration you make say about you? This forum is dedicated to Bible discussion and fellowship, you know, for those who believe it, or they wish to learn about it. Do you have a desire to know the Word (All of the Bible), or are you here with a personal agenda? You know the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh is for you also, to cleanse you and make you whole..............welcome.
I am here to free us from fear, you, me, anyone.
 

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You dont belive in the bible but you say your idea is of Gods way... how could you possibly know Gods way friend when you know not God...... if not from the bible where does your understanding of God come from?
 
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Well good sir I have news for you. The Lord is great and terrible. He's greatly to be feared. Don't you know? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
There will be judgement, and if you knew Christ you would rejoice to see the day when he soaks his robe in the blood of his enemies.

After reading "I have a much better explanation for" I stopped reading because that told me everything I needed to know about what your saying.

Truth is you don't have a better explanation then God about anything. You have one hope, and that's to ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your foolishness before he comes and destroys you.
 
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True I don't care much for the bible, it ruins my life believing stories of judgement
Post #1,
That's because everyone starts off reading it in the lion's den, where earthly kings have locked them up.
If you love God, love others, and pray for it, a messenger will come and shut the lions mouth and you will be able to read something that most don't see. Something maybe more familiar to what you said in your original post, except a bit more simple.
 
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unclefester

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I am here to free us from fear, you, me, anyone.
Free us from fear of what ? What were you fearing prior to not fearing now ? God's judgement ? None of us here that trust in Christ are afraid of God's judgement any longer. We have passed from death to life. And that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God given us in Christ ... to those who believe on His name. Declared righteous by our faith in Him ... eternally. You couldn't possibly be offering anything better than that. He stands at the door waiting for you to knock.