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cronjecj

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Who said anything about worshipping Israel or the Jews? We are to worship only the Father through Christ our Lord.

I think you have misunderstood my previous posts.
Hi Journey, isn't Christ the very same God that appeared to Moses?
 
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so true.
that's not the worst of it.

the horror is that JESUS IS SOME SECONDARY PURPOSE!

disgusting really, with all the information and resources we have that this OBSCENITY continues.

JEWS & GENTILES >>> MERGE >> NEW COVENANT >> CHURCH >> ONE IN JESUS CHRIST
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The question is;
All the prophets, how will they get into the kingdom of God if Jesus said that no one can go to the Father but by him?
 

cronjecj

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The question is;
All the prophets, how will they get into the kingdom of God if Jesus said that no one can go to the Father but by him?
is Christ the Father also?
 
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Gentiles simply means nations..., it
seriously irks me when people use terminology like Gentile Nations

Think about it for a second.., translate the words., the Nation Nations ., makes no sense to me

Are you telling me Israel is not a Gentile? The word simply means Nations., stop misusing it as a derogatory term

Noone is doing any backflips except you

All of Israel will be saved.., EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!!

And if you start reading scripture correctly this will start making sense
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Any one that is not an Israelite is a gentile.

Israel is God's firstborn. God made a nation for himself. No other nation knew God before them or understood what was good and evil. We are talking about physical Israel. The ones that Moses led out of Egypt. They were slaves.

Gentile is not a derogatory term. God uses it.
 
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Acts 13:39 And by him that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
 
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Necto

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Testament of Christ was made long before the law. The law has not abolished the covenant of Christ. Testament of Christ out of time! He acted up to Christ's sacrifice, and after will also be effective.
 
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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowlege of sin.
 

zone

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Any one that is not an Israelite is a gentile.

Israel is God's firstborn. God made a nation for himself. No other nation knew God before them or understood what was good and evil. We are talking about physical Israel. The ones that Moses led out of Egypt. They were slaves.

Gentile is not a derogatory term. God uses it.
90% of the jews in the world today are gentiles.
now what?

FIND US BIBLICAL ISRAELITES!
are they the Western Anglo nations as British-Israelism says?
are they black Africans as another group claims?
are they Khazars as the Ashkenazim claim?
are they anyone who studies TALMUD?

PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED! all Israel will be saved!

Q: is Jesus a created entity?
Q: when is one born again?
Q: did (does) Jesus have to be crucified in every generation?

Hebrews 9:26
Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

^^ FULFILLED ^^

typology:

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

once again, i recommend GET OUT OF THE OT for a change and study the NEW.
 
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cronjecj

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Acts 13:39 And by him that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
exactly no one can be be justified by the law that's the thing...

The law was given to show how guilty we are..

The prophets and the rest of the saints were justified by God's grace because they had faith they believed in God.
 
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CrimsonFlames

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Gentiles simply means nations..., it
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Any one that is not an Israelite is a gentile.

Israel is God's firstborn. God made a nation for himself. No other nation knew God before them or understood what was good and evil. We are talking about physical Israel. The ones that Moses led out of Egypt. They were slaves.

Gentile is not a derogatory term. God uses it.
Gentile simply means NATION.., which makes Judea a GENTILE aswell

So before the birth of Jacob everyone went to hell? God sat silent?

Im over this Israel were slaves in Egypt bollocks.., you forget., the 11 brothers sold Joseph into slavery where he found favor with Pharaoh. When the drought came and famine struck the brothers came to Egypt and Joseph recognized them. He sent them to retrieve their father and the rest of the family and when Pharaoh came aware that Josephs family were in town he welcomed them and they (all of Israel) found favor in Egypt. They lived as esteemed guests in Egypt and were spared from the hardships of the drought and the famine

It was not until 3 Pharaohs later things changed.

It was more comparable to an economical slavery like we are under now but because when people mention slavery we get flashes of the Chattel Slavery that existed in America we dont see properly

Chattel Slavery was also referred to by historians as the Peculiar Institution.., why? Because America was not the only place in the world that practiced slavery., however nowhere in the world was slavery practiced with such savagery and hatred and outright barbarism than in the so called Christian Nation of the USA.

Scholars even agree that slavery in the OT was nothing like the Chattel Slavery practiced in America.

I believe they were in Egypt for all of 70 years.., 3 generations.., and 2 of those 3 generations lived like royalty!!
 
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zone

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Testament of Christ was made long before the law. The law has not abolished the covenant of Christ. Testament of Christ out of time! He acted up to Christ's sacrifice, and after will also be effective.
exactly necto.
the gospel was PREACHED TO ABRAHAM!

Galatains 3:8
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to
Abraham beforehand, saying, In you all the nations shall be blessed.” << SEED singular >> JESUS
 
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90% of the jews in the world today are gentiles.
now what?

FIND US BIBLICAL ISRAELITES!
are they the Western Anglo nations as British-Israelism says?
are they black Africans as another group claims?
are they Khazars as the Ashkenazim claim?
are they anyone who studies TALMUD?

PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED! all Israel will be saved!

Q: is Jesus a created entity?
Q: when is one born again?
Q: did (does) Jesus have to be crucified in every generation?

Hebrews 9:26
Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

^^ FULFILLED ^^

typology:

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

once again, i recommend GET OUT OF THE OT for a change and study the NEW.
No, the Jews or Israelites must I say are a scattered people. They are not gentiles. They may of mixed with gentiles, but they play a big role in God's plan.

When God called his son out of Egypt, he was speaking of ISRAEL. Israel is God's first born. Read the next few verses and you will understand that it is not talking about Christ.

Can we get back to the subject? You are all over the place. Save your other questions for another post. I'll be happy to answer them then, but not now.

At least people are opening up their bibles.
 
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Gentile simply means NATION.., which makes Judea a GENTILE aswell

So before the birth of Jacob everyone went to hell? God sat silent?

Im over this Israel were slaves in Egypt bollocks.., you forget., the 11 brothers sold Joseph into slavery where he found favor with Pharaoh. When the drought came and famine struck the brothers came to Egypt and Joseph recognized them. He sent them to retrieve their father and the rest of the family and when Pharaoh came aware that Josephs family were in town he welcomed them and they (all of Israel) found favor in Egypt. They lived as esteemed guests in Egypt and were spared from the hardships of the drought and the famine

It was not until 3 Pharaohs later things changed.

It was more comparable to an economical slavery like we are under now but because when people mention slavery we get flashes of the Chattel Slavery that existed in America we dont see properly

Chattel Slavery was also referred to by historians as the Peculiar Institution.., why? Because America was not the only place in the world that practiced slavery., however nowhere in the world was slavery practiced with such savagery and hatred and outright barbarism than in the so called Christian Nation of the USA.

Scholars even agree that slavery in the OT was nothing like the Chattel Slavery practiced in America.

I believe they were in Egypt for all of 70 years.., 3 generations.., and 2 of those 3 generations lived like royalty!!
[/QUOTE]You can go to the scriptures. It will tell you that the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. This post is not about slavery.
 
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Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.


Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
 
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CrimsonFlames

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[/QUOTE]You can go to the scriptures. It will tell you that the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. This post is not about slavery.
I realise this post is not about slavery but you made a plea to emotion when you brought up Israeli slaves apparently building the pyramids.., I dont see anywhere in scripture where it says they were made to build the pyramids so that claim is mighty presumptuous

However I also asked about your claim that God was silent before Moses.., apparently noone was saved before Moses laid down the law? Is that so is it?
 

damombomb

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Without Jesus as our savior, we are all slaves to sin
 

zone

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No, the Jews or Israelites must I say are a scattered people. They are not gentiles. They may of mixed with gentiles, but they play a big role in God's plan.

When God called his son out of Egypt, he was speaking of ISRAEL. Israel is God's first born. Read the next few verses and you will understand that it is not talking about Christ.

Can we get back to the subject? You are all over the place. Save your other questions for another post. I'll be happy to answer them then, but not now.

At least people are opening up their bibles.
you're as arrogant as you ever were journey.

i'm not interested in any answers you have. people are trying to help you, but you are DENYING Christ and what is written.

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."
 
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Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 2:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


 
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Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them.


Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident for, the just shall live by faith.