I have a question about being a Christian and Drinking Alcohol

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kaylagrl

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Is it wrong to drink alcohol in moderation? NO its not..
Why do they preach against it? The legalistic pharisees of Christianity preach that it is sin. The Word does not. Jesus said "What makes a person unclean is not what goes into his mouth; rather, what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean!”

If you drink Keep it in moderation. Drinking to excess can lead you into sin.
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I really dont appreciate being called a legalistic Pharisee. :) I dont see where alcohol has improved anyones life. Ive seen first hand what can be done to families because of alcohol abuse. Its easy for you to say drink in moderation,but the OP clearly has an issue and should not be drinking. For an alcoholic the first drink is what starts a lifelong addiction. You dont know till you take the first sip. So why would you bother to drink at all? Now if people want to drink in moderation thats between them and the Lord. I dont know many people who can actually do that. But the OP has an issue and should be encouraged to stay away from drink.
 
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because people are so afraid of offending a few recovering alcoholics they change the communion to grape juice..
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God says that eating meat sacrificed to idols is fine, but if it causes a brother to stumble we should abstain in front of them. If we can't eat the meal in that circumstance, I have to assume we shouldn't drink the wine either. There are people that have to keep abstinence. That doesn't mean others aren't free to responsibly drink. But when in the company of a brother who struggles, we should help our brother carry his burden.
 
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Jesus first miracle was he made wine and he said drink and be merry and the old testament said give a sorrowful brother a drink and if you have a problem with that its because you are a unamerican and a psychopath and you should not be using the lords name in your own vanity.
 
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If you have ten problems and drink to relieve the stress of them, you have now increased your problem load to eleven.
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kaylagrl said:
I really dont appreciate being called a legalistic Pharisee. :) I dont see where alcohol has improved anyones life. Ive seen first hand what can be done to families because of alcohol abuse. Its easy for you to say drink in moderation,but the OP clearly has an issue and should not be drinking. For an alcoholic the first drink is what starts a lifelong addiction. You dont know till you take the first sip. So why would you bother to drink at all? Now if people want to drink in moderation thats between them and the Lord. I dont know many people who can actually do that. But the OP has an issue and should be encouraged to stay away from drink.
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I don't see where alcohol improved anybodys life either. I was a bar tender one time. I got really sick of seeing people walk in and crawl out. That was one reason I quit drinking. But look at my posts..Did I name anybody? Did I name you? No. I did not..So why are you offended? The pharisees I was talking about are legalistic chuchianity who do not know the word, but are very good at doctrines of man. Slow down now and take a deep breath. Deep and slow. You'll be all right.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I really dont appreciate being called a legalistic Pharisee. :) I dont see where alcohol has improved anyones life. Ive seen first hand what can be done to families because of alcohol abuse. Its easy for you to say drink in moderation,but the OP clearly has an issue and should not be drinking. For an alcoholic the first drink is what starts a lifelong addiction. You dont know till you take the first sip. So why would you bother to drink at all? Now if people want to drink in moderation thats between them and the Lord. I dont know many people who can actually do that. But the OP has an issue and should be encouraged to stay away from drink.
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You are saying because a abusive person happens to have a drink, the rest of the world that just drinks and has a good time shouldnt be able to drink. Well statistics show that much more crime is committed by sobor people so I guess it should be the law that we all stay drunk.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I really dont appreciate being called a legalistic Pharisee. :) I dont see where alcohol has improved anyones life. Ive seen first hand what can be done to families because of alcohol abuse. Its easy for you to say drink in moderation,but the OP clearly has an issue and should not be drinking. For an alcoholic the first drink is what starts a lifelong addiction. You dont know till you take the first sip. So why would you bother to drink at all? Now if people want to drink in moderation thats between them and the Lord. I dont know many people who can actually do that. But the OP has an issue and should be encouraged to stay away from drink.
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HAD an issue (not "has" implying present-tense ;)). I have not drank for 3 days since I had those 2 beers. If it were an issue I'd probably have drank the day after.
 
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Denadii said:
Is it wrong to drink alcohol in moderation? NO its not..
Why do they preach against it? The legalistic pharisees of Christianity preach that it is sin. The Word does not. Jesus said "What makes a person unclean is not what goes into his mouth; rather, what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean!”

If you drink Keep it in moderation. Drinking to excess can lead you into sin.
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The principle is fine - I agree.

With respect to the OP though he is in a different place - he is only drink away from disaster!
 
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I don't see where alcohol improved anybodys life either. I was a bar tender one time. I got really sick of seeing people walk in and crawl out. That was one reason I quit drinking. But look at my posts..Did I name anybody? Did I name you? No. I did not..So why are you offended? The pharisees I was talking about are legalistic chuchianity who do not know the word, but are very good at doctrines of man. Slow down now and take a deep breath. Deep and slow. You'll be all right.
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You are comparing junkies to normal people like the other one was. So by your logic because hoarders exist we should not be able to sell things out of stores.
 
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If it is so wrong to drink wine or beer (in moderation) why did Jesus drink it is all I'm trying to understand? I think there is a freedom in Christianity, and I bet Jesus was WAY more down to earth than people think He was. He was labeled a "winebibber". You don't get that label for drinking juice. Did He get drunk, no. But he had a little. Why would the Bible make so many reference to enjoying wine if it was so bad? I think it all comes down to your individual conscience.

I was reluctant at first because I did have a problem with it as I already admitted. But for those that don't know me, don't know how stubborn I can be! I quit cold turkey the first time around, and I have strong will power when I want to. If I tell myself no more than 2-3, believe me I will keep it to 2-3. Yet no one here gives me the benefit of the doubt, and I'm already being called a weak-willed drunk with no chance.
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I dont know who said you were a drunk,I dont see anyone here that has. People are concerned because when you say "Im stressed and Im drinking to calm down" you are abusing alcohol. Alcohol is not suppose to be a coping mechanism,God is supposed to be our coping mechanism. Now you can continue down that road and people can pat you on the back and say "dont listen to those legalistic jackasses." But I doubt one of them will be by your side if and when you relapse. You're fooling yourself,every addict says they can stop at one. EVERY addict. People are being kind and caring and warning you. If you're going to live your life the way you want why come on here with your story in the first place?! Now that we respond you slap us in the face. Im so sick of these type of posts. Go on and do what you want then. smh
 
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RickyZ said:
That picture right there paints a thousand words

Lissen up, grasshoppers
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my issues of the day actually went away after the 2nd beer, and wasn't there in the morning. I was a little more merry and had a good chat with the family (more than usual). Not drunk by any means! It was pretty medicinal looking back on it. But I don't want to be encouraging other to drink (causing other to stumble). Please know yourself! If you can't help yourself when drinking and prone to getting drunk, don't even start.
 
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Think that's called a 'slight buzz'.
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I think the line between enough and too much lies between I love everyone and crying out loud ;)
 
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You are saying because a abusive person happens to have a drink, the rest of the world that just drinks and has a good time shouldnt be able to drink. Well statistics show that much more crime is committed by sobor people so I guess it should be the law that we all stay drunk.
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Crime is not the issue,who is talking about crime?! I didnt say anyone couldn't drink,read back. Can't you have a good time without drinking? What benefit does alcohol have? Why to people drink? Its certainly not for the taste! If you say it is I'll call the bull crap flag on that. The Bible warns against getting drunk and its wrong no matter how you slice it,getting drunk. Whether people drink is up to them. But if a person is an alcoholic it takes that first drink to set them on that road.Why would you risk it? No sense at all.
 
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graceNpeace said:
The principle is fine - I agree.

With respect to the OP though he is in a different place - he is only drink away from disaster!
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see, this is what Im talking about. People here are accusing me and labeling me with absolutely ZERO will power. It's pretty sad actually. I have grown a lot in the past 2.5 years I abstained from alcohol and now view it differently than I did when I abused it. The desire to get drunk is gone. God knows my condition. I don't want to mix my drinks anymore to make them more potent, I just want to chill out with 1 or 2 and be done with it on a Friday night after the work week or the weekend. Never before in my life have I had this mindset. But now I do.
 
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see, this is what Im talking about. People here are accusing me and labeling me with absolutely ZERO will power. It's pretty sad actually. I have grown a lot in the past 2.5 years I abstained from alcohol and now view it differently than I did when I abused it. The desire to get drunk is gone. God knows my condition. I don't want to mix my drinks anymore to make them more potent, I just want to chill out with 1 or 2 and be done with it on a Friday night after the work week or the weekend. Never before in my life have I had this mindset. But now I do.
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Radius my advice to you stands - never go back to alcohol!
 
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kaylagrl said:
I dont know who said you were a drunk,I dont see anyone here that has. People are concerned because when you say "Im stressed and Im drinking to calm down" you are abusing alcohol. Alcohol is not suppose to be a coping mechanism,God is supposed to be our coping mechanism. Now you can continue down that road and people can pat you on the back and say "dont listen to those legalistic jackasses." But I doubt one of them will be by your side if and when you relapse. You're fooling yourself,every addict says they can stop at one. EVERY addict. People are being kind and caring and warning you. If you're going to live your life the way you want why come on here with your story in the first place?! Now that we respond you slap us in the face. Im so sick of these type of posts. Go on and do what you want then. smh
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Yes, I broke my 2.5 year abstinence from alcohol because of stress. But that is not to say I will continue to enjoy a beer or two because I am stressed going forward as a coping mechanism I hope that makes sense.
 
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I don't see where alcohol improved anybodys life either. I was a bar tender one time. I got really sick of seeing people walk in and crawl out. That was one reason I quit drinking. But look at my posts..Did I name anybody? Did I name you? No. I did not..So why are you offended? The pharisees I was talking about are legalistic chuchianity who do not know the word, but are very good at doctrines of man. Slow down now and take a deep breath. Deep and slow. You'll be all right.
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Humm I must have read your last post backwards because in this post you seem to agree with me. Which is it? I'm alright,I just answer what I see,I dont need to slow down.
 
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HAD an issue (not "has" implying present-tense ;)). I have not drank for 3 days since I had those 2 beers. If it were an issue I'd probably have drank the day after.
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Not necessarily... some people stop for years and then pick up thinking surely it is okay by now after all that time (the great delusion of being able to "drink like normal people" from chapter three of the AA big book, did you read it?) and find themselves right back where they ended up, & then some. But again, it is up to you to determine if you have a problem with alcohol or not :)
 
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see, this is what Im talking about. People here are accusing me and labeling me with absolutely ZERO will power. It's pretty sad actually. I have grown a lot in the past 2.5 years I abstained from alcohol and now view it differently than I did when I abused it. The desire to get drunk is gone. God knows my condition. I don't want to mix my drinks anymore to make them more potent, I just want to chill out with 1 or 2 and be done with it on a Friday night after the work week or the weekend. Never before in my life have I had this mindset. But now I do.
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That's awesome. A lot of people can't find that happy medium. I'm glad you have been able to find your balance. I pray that more would be able to.

But, you have been warned about the BDF, right? Enough time in here will drive anyone to drink ;)
 
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Radius said:
Yes, I broke my 2.5 year abstinence from alcohol because of stress. But that is not to say I will continue to enjoy a beer or two because I am stressed going forward as a coping mechanism I hope that makes sense.
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Ok,Im going to leave my advice at this,we all think we have more will power than we do. Im not trying to call you weak, we're just human. Satan knows our weakness. Ive known more people that have "I would never ---" and that was the very thing that caused them to fall. You know your weakness,and you know alcohol is not a way to deal with stress. Now its in your hands and I wish you the best.
 
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