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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
I'm not twisting anything. Those five words, 'she is to be quiet,' refer to a woman being in a learning mode at church and not in a disrupting mode. "She is to learn with quietness and full submission."
Phil, listen to yourself, just take a chill pill, bro . Chill, just listen to God speaking to you here, that 1 Timothy 2:11-12 is in a specific context and to a specific group for a specific purpose and Paul is reiterating one thing and one thing only, that women are to be quiet when being spoken to. It has nothing to do with what a lot of people like to THINK is a woman can never pastor to men.
I'm not twisting anything. Those five words, 'she is to be quiet,' refer to a woman being in a learning mode at church and not in a disrupting mode. "She is to learn with quietness and full submission."
Phil, listen to yourself, just take a chill pill, bro . Chill, just listen to God speaking to you here, that 1 Timothy 2:11-12 is in a specific context and to a specific group for a specific purpose and Paul is reiterating one thing and one thing only, that women are to be quiet when being spoken to. It has nothing to do with what a lot of people like to THINK is a woman can never pastor to men.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
No, phil, that is what it says, "she is to be quiet" is in direct reference to, "I suffer a woman not to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
She is to be silent when being spoken to, she's not to override the man speaking to her. "She is to be quiet" in verse 12 ending make the context come together perfectly of what those words Paul says really mean.
Bro, continue to think you're higher and mightier than God and His Word just ain't going to go over well with Him, speaking of how that will sound 'on that day' for you. It sure won't sound good, not judging, just saying, just speaking of rewards, not like you're a disbeliever just because you get it wrong that God CAN'T EVER use a woman to pastor or teach a man. Silly, ludicrous , ridiculous belief by you, that's all
No, phil, that is what it says, "she is to be quiet" is in direct reference to, "I suffer a woman not to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
She is to be silent when being spoken to, she's not to override the man speaking to her. "She is to be quiet" in verse 12 ending make the context come together perfectly of what those words Paul says really mean.
Bro, continue to think you're higher and mightier than God and His Word just ain't going to go over well with Him, speaking of how that will sound 'on that day' for you. It sure won't sound good, not judging, just saying, just speaking of rewards, not like you're a disbeliever just because you get it wrong that God CAN'T EVER use a woman to pastor or teach a man. Silly, ludicrous , ridiculous belief by you, that's all
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Here is what you said:
Does not say that. This isn't Revelation. These aren't hard to understand scriptures. They mean what they say. Paul wrote them so we could understand them. I, nor any other here that I can see, need YOU, of all people, to explain them to me. Paul taught what Christ told him to, and he DID NOT teach what doctrines "customs of man" dictated, however badly you want to believe that.
Stop putting lies in my mouth. I never said God couldn't use a woman. You have been givens dozens of scriptures that caution against it, and you haven't given ONE that supports you SUPPOSITION.
I bring the word of God to the table and you bring some fantasy that scripture will not support. Then you resort to insulting my bible-supported beliefs. But I understand why you like to toot your own horn, why, after all, you are quite popular, being mentioned frequently in the new testament. Unfortunately, not in a flattering manner tho.
No, phil, that is what it says, "she is to be quiet" is in direct reference to, "I suffer a woman not to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET." ...............Bro, continue to think you're higher and mightier than God and His Word just ain't going to go over well with Him, speaking of how that will sound 'on that day' for you. It sure won't sound good, not judging, just saying, just speaking of rewards, not like you're a disbeliever just because you get it wrong that God CAN'T EVER use a woman to pastor or teach a man. Silly, ludicrous , ridiculous belief by you, that's all
Stop putting lies in my mouth. I never said God couldn't use a woman. You have been givens dozens of scriptures that caution against it, and you haven't given ONE that supports you SUPPOSITION.
I bring the word of God to the table and you bring some fantasy that scripture will not support. Then you resort to insulting my bible-supported beliefs. But I understand why you like to toot your own horn, why, after all, you are quite popular, being mentioned frequently in the new testament. Unfortunately, not in a flattering manner tho.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
No, phil no, no. But, we can go on, I'm here as long as you want to falsely believe in the God of OUR salvation and how He CAN and WILL and DOES and HAS and IS calling women to the pulpit. It's done. It's going on. Get over it, bro.
Why are you so staunch against this? I just would love to see you when a woman goes to speak in front of your church and you just walk out, LOL. I'm guessing, that's what you would do.
You're just a chauvinist, phil, that's a fact, you are against women and I have given you AND TICK two Scriptures, not ONE, proving that you ain't God, that you don't know God's mind and you don't know God's thoughts and you don't know God's ways. Don't be ignorant, they are 1 Cor. 2 and Isaiah 55. Read them yourself and get back to me. They speak of God being able to do ANYTHING He wants and we don't understand why He calls women (if you believe that Paul says they can't ever) then fine. But, Paul ain't God, you ain't God, so GET IT AND GET OVER IT ! Phil !!!!
No, phil no, no. But, we can go on, I'm here as long as you want to falsely believe in the God of OUR salvation and how He CAN and WILL and DOES and HAS and IS calling women to the pulpit. It's done. It's going on. Get over it, bro.
Why are you so staunch against this? I just would love to see you when a woman goes to speak in front of your church and you just walk out, LOL. I'm guessing, that's what you would do.
You're just a chauvinist, phil, that's a fact, you are against women and I have given you AND TICK two Scriptures, not ONE, proving that you ain't God, that you don't know God's mind and you don't know God's thoughts and you don't know God's ways. Don't be ignorant, they are 1 Cor. 2 and Isaiah 55. Read them yourself and get back to me. They speak of God being able to do ANYTHING He wants and we don't understand why He calls women (if you believe that Paul says they can't ever) then fine. But, Paul ain't God, you ain't God, so GET IT AND GET OVER IT ! Phil !!!!
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Two lies in one sentence. Again, you have no scripture to shore up your false doctrine.
You guess wrong, as usual, and that is all you are doing, is guessing.
And yet another lie.
We asked for scripture to prove your ALLEGATION that God is calling women to usurp authority over men today. You have refused, why? Because they don't exist and you know it.
You are a liberal for sure. First thing that happens when you take truth and nail them to the wall is name-calling.
Another lie - "we don't understand" it because it doesn't happen.
And then you top it off with a little blasphemy. You are a real piece of work.
Two lies in one sentence. Again, you have no scripture to shore up your false doctrine.
You guess wrong, as usual, and that is all you are doing, is guessing.
And yet another lie.
We asked for scripture to prove your ALLEGATION that God is calling women to usurp authority over men today. You have refused, why? Because they don't exist and you know it.
You are a liberal for sure. First thing that happens when you take truth and nail them to the wall is name-calling.
Another lie - "we don't understand" it because it doesn't happen.
And then you top it off with a little blasphemy. You are a real piece of work.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Okay here are the general arguments for women preaching while dealing with these verse:
1.This is Paul not God.
2.This is only talking about this group of people not everyone.
3.This isn't an absolute.
4 Galatians 3:28
5.This should say wife and husband, not men and women.
6.This is Paul's way not THE way.
I will go through each of these and show why they do not work. First off the fact that there are SO many arguments against it kind of show (at least to me) that people are looking for a way to disregard scripture because it makes them uncomfortable. If these verses could be disregarded, then most people would use the same argument in doing so. Sense they don't it makes it clear (to me) that people are trying SO hard to word around it.
1 This is Paul not God.
If Paul stated this in a letter not in the bible, I would see this point. The issue is that it is in the bible.
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The words of Paul in the bible are inspired by God. Other translations say they are God-breathed. These are the WORDS OF GOD. It was said by God, through Paul. These word's are God's words not Pauls. They are God's thoughts, not just Pauls. Lets use Gods word for reproof, CORRECTION, and INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
2.This is only talking about this group of people not everyone.
To say this is rather odd. I would ask someone who states this is there other places in Paul's letters that you feel are specific to the people he is sending them to? It never says its just for them. Also why would it be in the bible, if it is only for those people? Also to say that it is just for them, then gives you the ability to say what is and isn't for you in the bible. You can then justifiably toss half the NT by saying "these letters are just for these people he is sending the letters too". Its a slippery slope and isn't supported in scripture.
3.This isn't an absolute.
My simple thing for that is where does it say that. Is the whole bible then not absolute? Does this mean "thou shalt not kill" isn't an absolute? Is homosexuality only wrong for 500 years then right?
Theres no scripture supporting this being no absolute.
4.Galatians 3:28
This verse is talking about salvation, not roles in the body of Christ. Basically it is saying "any race or sex can be saved" not "all races and sexes have the same jobs"
5.This should say wife and husband, not men and women.
This isn't 100% true, but a possibility. The greek words support either men/women or husband/wife. In my opinion it fits for it to be talking about either because prior to this it is talking about husband and wives, but RIGHT after its talking about organization in a church in chapter 3. In the original text there were no chapters, so these would have came right after each other. Either way, if a woman is teaching she is then having authority over her husband as well as the congregations so the verse still supports women not teaching men.
6.This is Paul's way not THE way.
The bible is God's way. Paul got his teachings from the way, the truth, the light. This is THE way because it is in the bible.
If there is another side, I'd love to hear it. These arguments all have absolutely no scriptural evidence supporting it, only theories and opinions to avoid this doctrine.
God bless.
Okay here are the general arguments for women preaching while dealing with these verse:
1.This is Paul not God.
2.This is only talking about this group of people not everyone.
3.This isn't an absolute.
4 Galatians 3:28
5.This should say wife and husband, not men and women.
6.This is Paul's way not THE way.
I will go through each of these and show why they do not work. First off the fact that there are SO many arguments against it kind of show (at least to me) that people are looking for a way to disregard scripture because it makes them uncomfortable. If these verses could be disregarded, then most people would use the same argument in doing so. Sense they don't it makes it clear (to me) that people are trying SO hard to word around it.
1 This is Paul not God.
If Paul stated this in a letter not in the bible, I would see this point. The issue is that it is in the bible.
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The words of Paul in the bible are inspired by God. Other translations say they are God-breathed. These are the WORDS OF GOD. It was said by God, through Paul. These word's are God's words not Pauls. They are God's thoughts, not just Pauls. Lets use Gods word for reproof, CORRECTION, and INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
2.This is only talking about this group of people not everyone.
To say this is rather odd. I would ask someone who states this is there other places in Paul's letters that you feel are specific to the people he is sending them to? It never says its just for them. Also why would it be in the bible, if it is only for those people? Also to say that it is just for them, then gives you the ability to say what is and isn't for you in the bible. You can then justifiably toss half the NT by saying "these letters are just for these people he is sending the letters too". Its a slippery slope and isn't supported in scripture.
3.This isn't an absolute.
My simple thing for that is where does it say that. Is the whole bible then not absolute? Does this mean "thou shalt not kill" isn't an absolute? Is homosexuality only wrong for 500 years then right?
Theres no scripture supporting this being no absolute.
4.Galatians 3:28
This verse is talking about salvation, not roles in the body of Christ. Basically it is saying "any race or sex can be saved" not "all races and sexes have the same jobs"
5.This should say wife and husband, not men and women.
This isn't 100% true, but a possibility. The greek words support either men/women or husband/wife. In my opinion it fits for it to be talking about either because prior to this it is talking about husband and wives, but RIGHT after its talking about organization in a church in chapter 3. In the original text there were no chapters, so these would have came right after each other. Either way, if a woman is teaching she is then having authority over her husband as well as the congregations so the verse still supports women not teaching men.
6.This is Paul's way not THE way.
The bible is God's way. Paul got his teachings from the way, the truth, the light. This is THE way because it is in the bible.
If there is another side, I'd love to hear it. These arguments all have absolutely no scriptural evidence supporting it, only theories and opinions to avoid this doctrine.
God bless.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
I'm not going to speak at all to phil's nonsense, which, plainly, makes no sense, there are no lies in God's ways being different than our ways and God's thoughts being different than ours. There is NO argument in what I'm saying. You (and tuck) can either believe that God has called women to ministry, or, not. That's up to you to believe, but, believe you me, it's up to Him what happens in this world and there are NO absolutes in Scripture about women not being able to become a woman pastor, and, even if there was, God still can (and does) call a woman to become a pastor of a church over men in this world today. But, yes, there are NO places in Scripture that flat-out say that a woman cannot become a pastor who is called by God. NONE. None, none, none. None more needs said, really, unless, you want to say it and then I will repeat myself again for the zillionth time with my TWO verses that Phil just said don't count. Really? God's mind being different from our 'mind of Christ,' don't count (1 Cor. 2) and God's ways not our ways and thoughts higher than our thoughts don't count either? (Isaiah 55)
Like I said, none more needs said. Those TWO passages of Scripture PROVE that God CAN call women to pastor a church. Some might not like it, but, God can do it, His Holy Spirit works on the heart's of ALL believers differently and, for a few women, the great call of becoming a woman pastor comes
The Lord leads
I'm not going to speak at all to phil's nonsense, which, plainly, makes no sense, there are no lies in God's ways being different than our ways and God's thoughts being different than ours. There is NO argument in what I'm saying. You (and tuck) can either believe that God has called women to ministry, or, not. That's up to you to believe, but, believe you me, it's up to Him what happens in this world and there are NO absolutes in Scripture about women not being able to become a woman pastor, and, even if there was, God still can (and does) call a woman to become a pastor of a church over men in this world today. But, yes, there are NO places in Scripture that flat-out say that a woman cannot become a pastor who is called by God. NONE. None, none, none. None more needs said, really, unless, you want to say it and then I will repeat myself again for the zillionth time with my TWO verses that Phil just said don't count. Really? God's mind being different from our 'mind of Christ,' don't count (1 Cor. 2) and God's ways not our ways and thoughts higher than our thoughts don't count either? (Isaiah 55)
Like I said, none more needs said. Those TWO passages of Scripture PROVE that God CAN call women to pastor a church. Some might not like it, but, God can do it, His Holy Spirit works on the heart's of ALL believers differently and, for a few women, the great call of becoming a woman pastor comes
The Lord leads
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Prove that it isn't an absolute in scripture. Prove that these women are being called, and not simply thinking they are being called.
I'm not saying the verses aren't true, simply they do not apply to this debate. His ways are GIVEN to us in the bible. Our ways are what we would do without scripture. His are handed on a silver platter to us to read. By reading the word and making our view based on scripture we are looking at his ways higher than ours, and we are looking at his thought's as different than ours. Me and Phil ARE following those verses by looking at his ways given in scripture, and not leaning on our own thoughts on the subject. We aren't imputing our opinion on the issue, and only looking at God's words. Stop looking at the world. Stop looking at women preaching. JUST LOOK AT THE BIBLE. What does it say? Whatever it says is God's way. His way is higher than yours, so follow what it says. What it says, is what me and Phil are saying.
I'm not going to speak at all to phil's nonsense, which, plainly, makes no sense, there are no lies in God's ways being different than our ways and God's thoughts being different than ours. There is NO argument in what I'm saying. You (and tuck) can either believe that God has called women to ministry, or, not. That's up to you to believe, but, believe you me, it's up to Him what happens in this world and there are NO absolutes in Scripture about women not being able to become a woman pastor, and, even if there was, God still can (and does) call a woman to become a pastor of a church over men in this world today. But, yes, there are NO places in Scripture that flat-out say that a woman cannot become a pastor who is called by God. NONE. None, none, none. None more needs said, really, unless, you want to say it and then I will repeat myself again for the zillionth time with my TWO verses that Phil just said don't count. Really? God's mind being different from our 'mind of Christ,' don't count (1 Cor. 2) and God's ways not our ways and thoughts higher than our thoughts don't count either? (Isaiah 55)
Like I said, none more needs said. Those TWO passages of Scripture PROVE that God CAN call women to pastor a church. Some might not like it, but, God can do it, His Holy Spirit works on the heart's of ALL believers differently and, for a few women, the great call of becoming a woman pastor comes
The Lord leads
Like I said, none more needs said. Those TWO passages of Scripture PROVE that God CAN call women to pastor a church. Some might not like it, but, God can do it, His Holy Spirit works on the heart's of ALL believers differently and, for a few women, the great call of becoming a woman pastor comes
The Lord leads
I'm not saying the verses aren't true, simply they do not apply to this debate. His ways are GIVEN to us in the bible. Our ways are what we would do without scripture. His are handed on a silver platter to us to read. By reading the word and making our view based on scripture we are looking at his ways higher than ours, and we are looking at his thought's as different than ours. Me and Phil ARE following those verses by looking at his ways given in scripture, and not leaning on our own thoughts on the subject. We aren't imputing our opinion on the issue, and only looking at God's words. Stop looking at the world. Stop looking at women preaching. JUST LOOK AT THE BIBLE. What does it say? Whatever it says is God's way. His way is higher than yours, so follow what it says. What it says, is what me and Phil are saying.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
That's right. No argument. You are plain and simple flat wrong. You reject the the new testament. You reject Paul as an apostolic authority from God by Christ, you reject the bible as the inspired word of God by your twisting and perverting of scripture, and, what that all boils down to is you reject the blood of Christ that was shed to bring you salvation.
You call me a liar and you add words to the bible. I have not lied, nor have I added or taken anything away from scripture. You desire to be a teacher, to hear false praise that makes your cheeks warm and your ears tingle. You know not whereof you affirm and you, by denying God's word, deny the power thereof.
That's right. No argument. You are plain and simple flat wrong. You reject the the new testament. You reject Paul as an apostolic authority from God by Christ, you reject the bible as the inspired word of God by your twisting and perverting of scripture, and, what that all boils down to is you reject the blood of Christ that was shed to bring you salvation.
You call me a liar and you add words to the bible. I have not lied, nor have I added or taken anything away from scripture. You desire to be a teacher, to hear false praise that makes your cheeks warm and your ears tingle. You know not whereof you affirm and you, by denying God's word, deny the power thereof.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
No, I simply KNOW that God is not you and you are not God and your mind is not God's mind and your ways are not His and your thoughts are not His, tuck, phil. So, why do you continue to think you are God, that, as tuck put it, women who are NOW pastoring churches, with me, are 'thinking they are being called.' They are CALLED, they are speaking the words Gods wanting them to use, they are being USED by God, too. Either way, yep, you got it, phil , I'm glad you're finally getting it, well, besides the fact that you keep calling me a liar and say things attacking my character when I just have said 'don't be ignorant' and Paul is not God and you call it 'blasphemy.' Eh, I guess, 0 out of 2 ain't bad to 'get' at this point, I'll take it, the Lord leads, some bat zero percent, continue to heap insults on fellow believers,and in the name of the blood of Christ shed for you and me? Meh. Whatever.
To each His own timing of understanding His Truth for his/her life .Hopefully, we have NO ARGUMENT there
No, I simply KNOW that God is not you and you are not God and your mind is not God's mind and your ways are not His and your thoughts are not His, tuck, phil. So, why do you continue to think you are God, that, as tuck put it, women who are NOW pastoring churches, with me, are 'thinking they are being called.' They are CALLED, they are speaking the words Gods wanting them to use, they are being USED by God, too. Either way, yep, you got it, phil , I'm glad you're finally getting it, well, besides the fact that you keep calling me a liar and say things attacking my character when I just have said 'don't be ignorant' and Paul is not God and you call it 'blasphemy.' Eh, I guess, 0 out of 2 ain't bad to 'get' at this point, I'll take it, the Lord leads, some bat zero percent, continue to heap insults on fellow believers,and in the name of the blood of Christ shed for you and me? Meh. Whatever.
To each His own timing of understanding His Truth for his/her life .Hopefully, we have NO ARGUMENT there
T
Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Do you read what I say, or just see that I said something and start typing? I explained how we are not using our own understanding. We are using his by using HIS WORDS. We aren't saying "God doesn't call women because we don't think so" we are saying "God doesn't call women to pastor BECAUSE HE SAYS SO" God shows HIS WAY in the bible. We use the bible to make our points therefore agree with GOD'S WAY.
You are acting like God doesn't say what he will/won't do in the bible, and that we have to look around us to see what God is doing. WRONG. God says what he will and won't do in the bible. And he says that women are not to teach men. IS GOD A LIAR? If he calls a women to teach men then he must be because HE SAYS HE DOES NOT PERMIT IT.
Do you read what I say, or just see that I said something and start typing? I explained how we are not using our own understanding. We are using his by using HIS WORDS. We aren't saying "God doesn't call women because we don't think so" we are saying "God doesn't call women to pastor BECAUSE HE SAYS SO" God shows HIS WAY in the bible. We use the bible to make our points therefore agree with GOD'S WAY.
You are acting like God doesn't say what he will/won't do in the bible, and that we have to look around us to see what God is doing. WRONG. God says what he will and won't do in the bible. And he says that women are not to teach men. IS GOD A LIAR? If he calls a women to teach men then he must be because HE SAYS HE DOES NOT PERMIT IT.
T
Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
We are leaning on God's understanding, which he shows us in the bible. You are going off YOUR understanding and basing it off what YOU think is right. We are basing our faith off God's understanding and off his way PRESENTED IN SCRIPTURE.
We are leaning on God's understanding, which he shows us in the bible. You are going off YOUR understanding and basing it off what YOU think is right. We are basing our faith off God's understanding and off his way PRESENTED IN SCRIPTURE.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
No, I'm not going on my own understanding. I'm using TWO Scripture that you continue to say are not valid. Meh. Whatever. Not my care. It's between you and God to try and understand what I am saying, tuck, what He is leading me to say: Isaiah 55 , 1 Cor. 2
No, I'm not going on my own understanding. I'm using TWO Scripture that you continue to say are not valid. Meh. Whatever. Not my care. It's between you and God to try and understand what I am saying, tuck, what He is leading me to say: Isaiah 55 , 1 Cor. 2
T
Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
AGAIN I have not said your two verses are invalid, only that you misuse them. You are saying I am stating what God is and isn't doing. I am simply stating what God has already said he will and won't do. If he doesn't permit something to happen, it won't happen. He doesn't permit women to teach men, so it won't happen BY HIS HAND.
You will now mention all the women pastors and claim they are being used. You have no PROOF they are being used though. You assume it, but there is no reason to think that though!
These scriptures are telling us to listen to God, and not on what we think is and isn't right. God presents his ways in the bible. So please read his ways. You seem to ignore parts.
No, I'm not going on my own understanding. I'm using TWO Scripture that you continue to say are not valid. Meh. Whatever. Not my care. It's between you and God to try and understand what I am saying, tuck, what He is leading me to say: Isaiah 55 , 1 Cor. 2
You will now mention all the women pastors and claim they are being used. You have no PROOF they are being used though. You assume it, but there is no reason to think that though!
These scriptures are telling us to listen to God, and not on what we think is and isn't right. God presents his ways in the bible. So please read his ways. You seem to ignore parts.
G
Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
They're not misused. They are valid for ALL situations. God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. He does things different, to accomplish His glory. I know, I know, you seeing a woman pastor in the pulpit just makes you DESPISE it, no? But , guess what, it's God's way of doing things and that's that. You can't play God, tuck. You can try, but, you can't. You don't have God's mind, just as 1 Cor. 2 tells you.
They're not misused. They are valid for ALL situations. God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. He does things different, to accomplish His glory. I know, I know, you seeing a woman pastor in the pulpit just makes you DESPISE it, no? But , guess what, it's God's way of doing things and that's that. You can't play God, tuck. You can try, but, you can't. You don't have God's mind, just as 1 Cor. 2 tells you.
T
Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
Your right they are valid in all. In fact they support my stance more than yours. I am looking at his ways. That's called the bible. I read his ways. I am telling you what his ways say.
You look at the world, that's man's ways. You say what you've learned from man's ways. You then say what God 'must' be doing, because youve seen it in man's ways.
You are leaning on MAN's understanding. I'm leaning on GOd's in HIS words.
God tells us his way of doing things, but again you ignore it.
They're not misused. They are valid for ALL situations. God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. He does things different, to accomplish His glory. I know, I know, you seeing a woman pastor in the pulpit just makes you DESPISE it, no? But , guess what, it's God's way of doing things and that's that. You can't play God, tuck. You can try, but, you can't. You don't have God's mind, just as 1 Cor. 2 tells you.
You look at the world, that's man's ways. You say what you've learned from man's ways. You then say what God 'must' be doing, because youve seen it in man's ways.
You are leaning on MAN's understanding. I'm leaning on GOd's in HIS words.
God tells us his way of doing things, but again you ignore it.
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
And, I'm having faith, tuck, in God using a woman to pastor, that they are there for a real reason that is His, not yours, not mine, either, mind you, tuck, but His His reasons. Does that make sense? You are leaning on God's Word, that's correct, just listen to God when He has a woman who is a pastor and is producing good fruit. I pray, you can understand that God is using them, whether you want to believe or not that they are called, God IS using them to bring great things out of that church, for His glory
And, I'm having faith, tuck, in God using a woman to pastor, that they are there for a real reason that is His, not yours, not mine, either, mind you, tuck, but His
His reasons. Does that make sense? You are leaning on God's Word, that's correct, just listen to God when He has a woman who is a pastor and is producing good fruit. I pray, you can understand that God is using them, whether you want to believe or not that they are called, God IS using them to bring great things out of that church, for His glory
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Re: "I suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, SHE IS TO BE QUIET."
You are having blind faith. You are having faith in something God tells us in his word he does not permit.
And, I'm having faith, tuck, in God using a woman to pastor, that they are there for a real reason that is His, not yours, not mine, either, mind you, tuck, but His His reasons. Does that make sense? You are leaning on God's Word, that's correct, just listen to God when He has a woman who is a pastor and is producing good fruit. I pray, you can understand that God is using them, whether you want to believe or not that they are called, God IS using them to bring great things out of that church, for His glory
His reasons. Does that make sense? You are leaning on God's Word, that's correct, just listen to God when He has a woman who is a pastor and is producing good fruit. I pray, you can understand that God is using them, whether you want to believe or not that they are called, God IS using them to bring great things out of that church, for His glory