I want to understand the Catholic faith so....
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There is a Turring test to tell if you are talking to a machine or a human being.
You plainly have no understanding of orthodox Greek, Russian, Egyptian, Syrian, etc. groups, let alone Armenians etc and probably an infinite series of spin offs with gnostics etc another example.
When the bible was only spread in Latin by the RCC church, unless you understood this you had no option just to agree.
The reason why Tyndale has such an impact because what people heared and saw did not match up with the words written, which when read literally changed there views of Life.
If one wants to defend the RCC church, it is not a good place to start by attacking the effect of actually giving people the bible to read for themselves. Today priests are often not allowed to preach on the word, because it is so dangerous. I mean Jesus actually changes people, freedom has value, love is the foundation of life and eternity. Who would have thought?
You plainly have no understanding of orthodox Greek, Russian, Egyptian, Syrian, etc. groups, let alone Armenians etc and probably an infinite series of spin offs with gnostics etc another example.
When the bible was only spread in Latin by the RCC church, unless you understood this you had no option just to agree.
The reason why Tyndale has such an impact because what people heared and saw did not match up with the words written, which when read literally changed there views of Life.
If one wants to defend the RCC church, it is not a good place to start by attacking the effect of actually giving people the bible to read for themselves. Today priests are often not allowed to preach on the word, because it is so dangerous. I mean Jesus actually changes people, freedom has value, love is the foundation of life and eternity. Who would have thought?
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The FIRST error is the thinking that the Holy Roman Empire / Catholic Church was "sanctioned" by God / Christ. ( It was not. )
The SECOND error is the thinking that the Holy Roman Empire / Catholic Church "was of the faith passed down by the Apostles" ( It was not. )
The THIRD error is the thinking that the Holy Roman Empire / Catholic Church existed from the time of Christ. ( It did not. ) It was "created" by Constantine in the early fourth century out of a hodge-podge mixture of Judaism, Christianity, and Paganism.
The middle ages were very brutish at the hand of the Holy Roman Empire. This is the truth of history.
The SECOND error is the thinking that the Holy Roman Empire / Catholic Church "was of the faith passed down by the Apostles" ( It was not. )
The THIRD error is the thinking that the Holy Roman Empire / Catholic Church existed from the time of Christ. ( It did not. ) It was "created" by Constantine in the early fourth century out of a hodge-podge mixture of Judaism, Christianity, and Paganism.
The middle ages were very brutish at the hand of the Holy Roman Empire. This is the truth of history.
Peter = Petros
Rock of Faith = Petra
Psalm 18:2 ESV
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock,
in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 144:1 ESV
Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
2 Samuel 22:32 ESV
“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?
1 Samuel 2:2 ESV
“There is none holy like the Lord; there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.
Deuteronomy 32:18 ESV
You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Matthew 7:24-27 ESV
“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
1 Corinthians 10:4 ESV
And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual
Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Rock of Faith = Petra
Psalm 18:2 ESV
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock,
in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 144:1 ESV
Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
2 Samuel 22:32 ESV
“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?
1 Samuel 2:2 ESV
“There is none holy like the Lord; there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.
Deuteronomy 32:18 ESV
You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Matthew 7:24-27 ESV
“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
1 Corinthians 10:4 ESV
And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual
Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Lol. For this to be true you are assuming
1. People are in Christ
2. That leaving the Catholic church means you loose your salvation.
Both assumptions are obviously wrong.
Paul defined belonging to Christ is a position of FAITH, not which group you claim to belong to.
Jesus declaring He would build the church on Peters declaration, is saying it is the FAITH being expressed is the foundation of the church, not Peter the man, who died 2000 years ago. Peter never did found the Roman church, which only came into being because an Emporer declared the empire to be Christian by law, which is of itself a contradiction of the faith.
But all cults simplify the argument, with us, you are ok, against us, you are lost.
What Jesus said is follow Him, believe in Him you are ok, without Him you are lost. See the difference?
1. People are in Christ
2. That leaving the Catholic church means you loose your salvation.
Both assumptions are obviously wrong.
Paul defined belonging to Christ is a position of FAITH, not which group you claim to belong to.
Jesus declaring He would build the church on Peters declaration, is saying it is the FAITH being expressed is the foundation of the church, not Peter the man, who died 2000 years ago. Peter never did found the Roman church, which only came into being because an Emporer declared the empire to be Christian by law, which is of itself a contradiction of the faith.
But all cults simplify the argument, with us, you are ok, against us, you are lost.
What Jesus said is follow Him, believe in Him you are ok, without Him you are lost. See the difference?
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hmm. So this makes you a child of God? The pharisee thought the same thing.
Being a child of God is not acting like one. Anyone can act like one. Being a child of God is a position, We did not work to earn our way into Gods family. God Adopted us into his family, and he paid for the adoption fee with his sons own blood.
Sadly, the roman catholic church does not teach this.
Being a child of God is not acting like one. Anyone can act like one. Being a child of God is a position, We did not work to earn our way into Gods family. God Adopted us into his family, and he paid for the adoption fee with his sons own blood.
Sadly, the roman catholic church does not teach this.
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You don't GAIN salvation with WORKS!!
YOUR JUDGED BY THEM!!!
Christ will come to JUDGE the living and the dead!
What do you think he's JUDGING?
YOUR WORKS WHILST ON EARTH!!
If works mean NOTHING, why tell a taxman to SELL EVERYTHING and give it to the POOR?
and another taxman he stayed with, when people complained, he told Jesus he would return everything he'd gained falsely 3 fold. JESUS TOLD HIM THAT DAY HE HAD FOUND SALVATION!!
And the Prostitute who washed Christs feet?
I could go on!!!
YOUR JUDGED BY THEM!!!
Christ will come to JUDGE the living and the dead!
What do you think he's JUDGING?
YOUR WORKS WHILST ON EARTH!!
If works mean NOTHING, why tell a taxman to SELL EVERYTHING and give it to the POOR?
and another taxman he stayed with, when people complained, he told Jesus he would return everything he'd gained falsely 3 fold. JESUS TOLD HIM THAT DAY HE HAD FOUND SALVATION!!
And the Prostitute who washed Christs feet?
I could go on!!!
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