If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus 2:11

BradC · Apr 27, 2015

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The covenant of grace through God's flesh and blood was made unconditionally to all people who would receive it by faith. The blood justifies all who believe by faith. Sins are remitted by faith in the cross. Sinful man believes unto righteousness. God's unconditional love was first expressed to us sinful men through the offering of his Son, Jesus Christ and when we believe upon the Son we have life. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Word_Swordsman · Apr 27, 2015

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SeaBass said:

There are several types of deceptions among many people who probably admire Jesus and the general idea of Christianity. Many will mentally connect, not disagreeing. Many hold Jesus in high esteem at least as high as their favorite school teacher, actor or President, or favorite idol. But, they won't get up each day to put their feet in the foot prints of Jesus, doing what he commanded. They like Jesus from afar. Many have tasted of God's grace, but won't walk in it, lacking faith.

1. Loving the praises of men more, many will not confess him to co-workers, fellow students, family members, customers.
John 12:42-43 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[SUP]43 [/SUP] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Matthew 10:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Any way you slice that, it is a requirement for salvation, however you believe about the grace of God. That's a condition that is expected every day of our lives, in the company of anyone we encounter. The Lord will let us know when to do that and to whom the Father is calling.

2. Some of those words from Jesus are a bit over the top for many, but they are willing to believe some of them.
John 12:47-48 (KJV)
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[SUP]48 [/SUP] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

3. Many admirers of Jesus long with those who don't follow him are so deceived that Satan can steal away whatever word they find, their eyes blinded by the Devil, or by their own refusal to see or accept certain words like "repent" as being applicable to them. Repenting is for people like Hitler, or the town drunk? That word is demanded often in connection with the Way of salvation. It's highly offensive to the flesh, and sets up a battle in our carnal mind. God's grace that saves is able to help us repent of all sins, or we don't yet experience his saving grace. Sin is not immune to his grace, so conquer it by faith in doing his words.

Grace. God's grace makes it possible for anyone to believe Jesus' words, do Jesus' words, openly confess Jesus before others, repent of sin. Grace is God's open invitation to take advantage of his simple, easy to carry salvation plan in Christ.

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

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Preacher said:

yahweh's WORD, which is perfect and complete, lacking nothing, discloses the truth, unchangeable and not subject to interpretation by men(which 'interpretation' leads to all the errors differences and arguments) ...

first of all, realize that not everyone online is saved. as it is written in Titus (1) also:

[SUP]"15 [/SUP]To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are corrupted. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed."

Revised Standard Version (RSV)
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BradC · Apr 27, 2015

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Word_Swordsman said:

There are several types of deceptions among many people who probably admire Jesus and the general idea of Christianity. Many will mentally connect, not disagreeing. Many hold Jesus in high esteem at least as high as their favorite school teacher, actor or President, or favorite idol. But, they won't get up each day to put their feet in the foot prints of Jesus, doing what he commanded. They like Jesus from afar. Many have tasted of God's grace, but won't walk in it, lacking faith.

1. Loving the praises of men more, many will not confess him to co-workers, fellow students, family members, customers.
John 12:42-43 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[SUP]43 [/SUP] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Matthew 10:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Any way you slice that, it is a requirement for salvation, however you believe about the grace of God. That's a condition that is expected every day of our lives, in the company of anyone we encounter. The Lord will let us know when to do that and to whom the Father is calling.

2. Some of those words from Jesus are a bit over the top for many, but they are willing to believe some of them.
John 12:47-48 (KJV)
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[SUP]48 [/SUP] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

3. Many admirers of Jesus long with those who don't follow him are so deceived that Satan can steal away whatever word they find, their eyes blinded by the Devil, or by their own refusal to see or accept certain words like "repent" as being applicable to them. Repenting is for people like Hitler, or the town drunk? That word is demanded often in connection with the Way of salvation. It's highly offensive to the flesh, and sets up a battle in our carnal mind. God's grace that saves is able to help us repent of all sins, or we don't yet experience his saving grace. Sin is not immune to his grace, so conquer it by faith in doing his words.

Grace. God's grace makes it possible for anyone to believe Jesus' words, do Jesus' words, openly confess Jesus before others, repent of sin. Grace is God's open invitation to take advantage of his simple, easy to carry salvation plan in Christ.

The person who believes unto salvation makes a public confession of the name of Christ only once. That can happen the moment they believe or at water baptism or anytime. The Son will then confess that person before the Father just one time. This is not something that is conditioned upon salvation nor does it have to be done over and over as a practice. We are accepted once and we believe once and trust Christ for the forgiveness of our sins once, we are justified once, we are adopted once, we receive God's imputed righteousness once, we receive the Holy Spirit once we are cleanse from sin once, our feet need to be washed over and over and we sin against our brother we repent.

notuptome · Apr 27, 2015

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If one were to read John 3:18-21 the answer would be clear. Some men prefer darkness because their deeds are evil. They have no interest in the light of the truth.

God is not interested that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Like Israel they simply will not to come. Jesus opined Jerusalem, Jerusalem how oft would I have gathered thee as a hen gathereth her chicks and ye would not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 27, 2015

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SeaBass said:

Your ABOUT ready for a Damscus Road Encounter I believe! you will NEED it to remove the Scales.. indeed!

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 27, 2015

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He who has begun a Good Work in you , Will see you to thru the End. He that Loved you before You Knew Him, will not abandoned You as a Genuine Convert, He is ABLE to Keep you by the Power of the Holy Ghost. He will NOT ABANDON you NOW that ye know Him. He went to all that Work to draw you in, Show His Love to you, Save You, Empower you, so that He could just one day , toss you away because you dont meet the 'merit' man puts out there and teaches that you must work for salvation? no.. Oh the Mystery of the Rest IN Christ, under the Shadow of the Cross! indeed...

The Captain of your Salvation, the Beginning and End, Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh. Will be with you thru the Waves and Wind and Storms, and during the peaceful Waters you encounter as Ye walk in Him.

Salvation is by Grace Thru Faith, freely Granted to those the Father has Given To Christ for Redemption.. any other ones that try to climb up or enter in some other way.. are thieves and robbers!

and THIS not of yourselves, so that NO MAN CAN BOAST IN HIS/HER FLESH... I did it my way... lolz...

tribesman · Apr 27, 2015

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Word_Swordsman said:

Where is the scripture that says so?

SeaBass · Apr 27, 2015

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Word_Swordsman said:

I agree that confession (Mt 10:32,33) is a requirement for salvation/receiving God's grace. So how can it be argued God's grace is UNconditional when one must conditionally confess?

Words_Swordsman said:

Repentance is not just for Hitler of the town drunk, but for anyone that sins, even Christians, Rev 2:5; Rev 2:16.

Both repentance and confession are obedient works men must choose himself to do. Man does not first have to be "enabled" by God's grace before he can repent and confess. Man has that ability within him already and man must choose to meet these two conditions before he can receive God's grace.

SeaBass · Apr 27, 2015

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Bowhunter2394 said:

So what verse says God will UNconditionally save those that will NOT CONDITIONALLY believe, repent, confess or be baptized for remission of sins?

If man can UNconditionally be saved, then you are arguing the unbeliever, the impenitent, denier of Christ in his unforgiven sins will be saved....which is a biblical impossibility.

PennEd · Apr 27, 2015

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SeaBass said:

Jesus Himself gives us the illustration of Grace in John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

The purpose of raising the serpent was to heal the people of their affliction they received (by being bitten fiery serpents) for their sin. This was the Grace the Lord gave them They didn't deserve it. ALL they had to do was believe and look at the raised serpent on the pole to be healed. They ALL had the offer to look and be healed. If they REFUSED to believe and look they weren't healed.

So just like many others AND Jesus has said, Grace is AVAILABLE to ALL, but not all will accept it.

It's also like if I were to give you a valuable wrapped Christmas present, of something you desperately needed. YOU have the ability to open that present and use it whenever YOU want, BUT if you don't EVER open it and use it, it is as if I never gave it to you.

Chica · Apr 27, 2015

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Preacher said:

A person has to believe.

SeaBass · Apr 27, 2015

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PennEd said:

Some here are trying to say just raising the serpent up on the pole was all that was needed to be healed, no CONDITIONAL looking upon the serpent required.

Someone gave me a coupon for a free combo meal at a local burger joint. I did nothing to earn it or deserve the coupon, she just gave it to me out of her 'good grace' you might say. So far, I have had no works (had faith only in getting the meal) and guess what? I still do not have the free hamburger combo meal. Can someone explain to me how will I ever get this free combo meal while doing no works at all? No work in going to the restaurant? No work in placing the order?

This faith only mental ascent of the mind is leaving me hungry and falling short of that combo meal.

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

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a bunch of old folk think that the description of yahweh's people, immersed in yahshua, born from above by the will of yahweh the creator (not of the flesh, nor of the will of man),

is a 'condition'. a bunch of old folk think that the same description is not a 'condition'.

so what?

yahweh's people live like yahweh's people - they are born of yahweh, led by yahweh, taught by yahweh,
and
before all of that they seek yahweh, then keep seeking yahweh, and love yahweh, and as his children

they do all that yahweh says, exactly as yahshua said to do to every one of his followers who stayed with

him.

so what? those who don't follow yahshua don't agree. so what ? those who do follow yahshua agree.

it is those who abide in yahshua, in union with him by grace in yahweh, who agree and live his live abundantly.

it is those who do not abide in yahshua,

who are not in union with him (by grace or anything),

who do not agree. they cannot. they cannot ever see heaven. they cannot grasp even the simple truth.

yahweh knew every one of us before the world was created - every hair on our head was numbered,

and yahweh PROVIDED EVERYTHING NEEDED FOR SALVATION

for union with yahshua

for eternal life

for forgiveness of all sin

for EVERYTHING PROMISED and SPOKEN IN HIS WORD. yahweh provided it all.

and

those who die, he has sorrow for. and those who live, he has joy with.

so,

ask yahweh. if he has a 'condition' or other needful thing for you to do to be his, do it.just do it. rejoice.

ask yahweh. if he has no 'condition' or other needful thing for you to do to be his, just be his. rejoice.

yahweh is the only one who can save anyone. no one, not even the 3 great men of faith can save even their own sons. (it is written in HIS WORD).

so don't rely on men to save you. don't rely on doctrine. don't rely on any church.

rely on yahweh, by grace, through faith in yahshua. (he has said that only through yahshua can anyone anytime anywhere be saved, so don't even bother if you're going to deny yahshua(jesus) ) ....

PennEd · Apr 27, 2015

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SeaBass said:

But what you call "work" God calls faith AND EVEN the faith is a free gift. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Works MAY be EVIDENCE of salvation but they absolutely can't save you.

BradC · Apr 27, 2015

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notuptome said:

He also considered them, 'Oh virgin Israel'

JesusIsAll · Apr 27, 2015

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It should tangentially be pointed out how such OP scripture also relates directly to ChristianChat, where the slightest crack in any door is an equal opportunity thread for tares and trolls alike to try and diminish the grace of God, and belittle the salvation experience of believers. What's almost miraculous is that, somehow, they don't ever bore themselves.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 27, 2015

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JesusIsAll said:

the WEEDS are abundant today... SOMEBODY has been busy as he has been allowed to move forward!

JesusIsAll · Apr 27, 2015

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Bowhunter2394 said:

I don't know. There have been many other days, where gallons of RoundUp would have come in handy.

Jeff_56 · Apr 27, 2015

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JesusIsAll said:

good analogy in a bad sort of way. a lot of people believed the lie of those selling certain week dillers,

that in six months it's gone from the soil, broken down...... they came to find out, decades later, that it

persists and is toxic to people and to their liver.....

i.e. the analogy is that , man's way, (of dealing with anyting) , is toxic, bad, not good, of no benefit, and leads to death
just
as
much as what is being attempted to be lessened or eradicated.......

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