Inconsistencies of Unbelieving Jews
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Even though orthodox use parts of Torah and the Tanak, they use it as a back of book. They put the majority of their stock in the mishnah,(so called oral law) because there are over 100 direct prophecies of Yeshua in the OT. You could witness to someone with the OT and bring them to salvation before you even reach Matthew. they know it.
I always thought Jews were people who believed in the Old Testament, and honored God. I figured that no one had presented Christ as Messiah, and when they did, they would soon want to follow him.
The biggest surprise of my life was going to an Orthodox Synagogue this year, and sitting for 2 1/2 hours. I heard only one reference to the "Redeemer". But what I heard plenty of was the Talmud. There would be a Bible reading surrounded by the Talmudic interpretation which generally went from the ridiculous to the sublime.
To cite only one thing, did you know that the Talmud says Aaron did not construct the golden calf to be worshipped, only to be a reminder of Moses when he was gone? Because Aaron was the high priest, and he needed to be perfect, so therefore he would never actually worshipped the calf. The only people who worshipped the calf were 3000 Egyptian rabble rousers who had followed the children of Israel into the desert, and it was them God destroyed.
And so it went on and on through the readings. The Talmud is their Bible, and it is commentaries made by men about things written by God, and those commentaries are just wrong in so many cases.
I think Jews are indeed a totally different religion than Christians. We may owe them the Old Testament, and the prophecies about Jesus, the entire story of creation and the fall, but they are not just people who need to find a Messiah.
My understanding is most of the newer sects of Jews are NOT looking for a Messiah at all. So very hard to convert them to something they are not looking for. I think with evangelism of Jews, we need a whole new perspective on what they believe and why. And then present Jesus as the answer they were not looking for!
The biggest surprise of my life was going to an Orthodox Synagogue this year, and sitting for 2 1/2 hours. I heard only one reference to the "Redeemer". But what I heard plenty of was the Talmud. There would be a Bible reading surrounded by the Talmudic interpretation which generally went from the ridiculous to the sublime.
To cite only one thing, did you know that the Talmud says Aaron did not construct the golden calf to be worshipped, only to be a reminder of Moses when he was gone? Because Aaron was the high priest, and he needed to be perfect, so therefore he would never actually worshipped the calf. The only people who worshipped the calf were 3000 Egyptian rabble rousers who had followed the children of Israel into the desert, and it was them God destroyed.
And so it went on and on through the readings. The Talmud is their Bible, and it is commentaries made by men about things written by God, and those commentaries are just wrong in so many cases.
I think Jews are indeed a totally different religion than Christians. We may owe them the Old Testament, and the prophecies about Jesus, the entire story of creation and the fall, but they are not just people who need to find a Messiah.
My understanding is most of the newer sects of Jews are NOT looking for a Messiah at all. So very hard to convert them to something they are not looking for. I think with evangelism of Jews, we need a whole new perspective on what they believe and why. And then present Jesus as the answer they were not looking for!
As a believing jew. I just want to thank you for such a gentle, genuine writing of thought. No attack, no disrespect, but what seems to be a hernest thought of the need of Messiah for the jews that are so lost. And as Yeshua says in Matt. 23:37-39 basically "Until Jerusalem declares, "blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD"
So we must pray for the peace and salvation of Jerusalem, for Yeshua will not be stepping down on the Mnt. of Olives until that happens. Blessings and thank you again for you gentle spirit.
So we must pray for the peace and salvation of Jerusalem, for Yeshua will not be stepping down on the Mnt. of Olives until that happens. Blessings and thank you again for you gentle spirit.
Totally agree.
Any research I've done has come up with the exact same conclusions.
Christians think of Orthodox Jews as people who believe, and live by, the Old Testament.
That just isn't how it works.
But it wasn't how it worked in Jesus' day either... and he said so.
There are some Jews called Karaites, who believe strictly in the O.T., and not in the Talmud.
They may have a few odd beliefs or traditions here and there, but they seem, essentially,
to be faithful to the Old Testament.
Any research I've done has come up with the exact same conclusions.
Christians think of Orthodox Jews as people who believe, and live by, the Old Testament.
That just isn't how it works.
But it wasn't how it worked in Jesus' day either... and he said so.
There are some Jews called Karaites, who believe strictly in the O.T., and not in the Talmud.
They may have a few odd beliefs or traditions here and there, but they seem, essentially,
to be faithful to the Old Testament.
Actually, there are two accounts of Josephus' concerning Jesus. I think the earlier one we found is called into question, because it hints at Jesus' supernatural qualities. The later account does not have this part in it. And so somewhat ironically this later account is believed to be Josephus' original account. But in the same Antiquities of the Jews Josephus makes reference to other Christian figures, one of which I think was Jesus' brother. So there's no reason to write off Josephus' account of Jesus.
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The logic is that God would not require something that cannot be performed. The forever is sort of "progressive"; you can't just skip a year, or a thousand years. Since God Himself wrote in Torah, "the high priest must do this ongoing forever", He would never have a time when there was not a high priest to do it. Once Jerusalem was destroyed, the Jews dispersed, and there were no high priests (except Jesus). Jews who do not believe in Jesus have no answer, or so I have been told.
I think in some cases they can be based in the Torah. For instance, the law regarding not eating dairy and meat together. It doesn't say that in the Torah, but it's loosely based on it. Another tradition of some Jews is to not add a blue strip to the tassels that they wear, because they believe the formula for the blue coloring is lost and it just wouldn't be the same kind of blue.
So I think a lot of what is popularly known as Judaism is based on interpretation of the Torah. And those interpretations are recorded in their other books. Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. Something tells me they missed this verse.
So I think a lot of what is popularly known as Judaism is based on interpretation of the Torah. And those interpretations are recorded in their other books. Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. Something tells me they missed this verse.
Of course. Most modern Jews (not all) do not know the Jewish beliefs of 50BC - they've been added to.
Just as most modern Christians (not all) do not know the Christian beliefs of 50AD - they've been added to.
But one group are considered wicked for going astray and the other is followed as being true...
And pointing out what and where it went wrong is considered heresy in both camps. By expulsion from one camp and and murder in the other, of those that disagreed (for most of the intervening time).
Just as most modern Christians (not all) do not know the Christian beliefs of 50AD - they've been added to.
But one group are considered wicked for going astray and the other is followed as being true...
And pointing out what and where it went wrong is considered heresy in both camps. By expulsion from one camp and and murder in the other, of those that disagreed (for most of the intervening time).
Lev 6:15 And the anointed priest that shall be in his stead from among his sons shall offer it, it is a due for ever; it shall be wholly made to smoke unto the LORD.
Then came the Great High Priest who was a priest for ever.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
once — rather as Greek, “once for all.” The sufficiency of the one sacrifice to atone for all sins for ever, resulted from its absolute spotlessness.
Then came the Great High Priest who was a priest for ever.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
once — rather as Greek, “once for all.” The sufficiency of the one sacrifice to atone for all sins for ever, resulted from its absolute spotlessness.