Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

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1still_waters

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Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

Something in chat frustrates me.
I'm wondering if it's just me.
Am I expecting too much?

I see people try to expose a false teacher or theology.
They make these very bold assertions about a teacher's wrongness, but then can't for the life of them provide any easy to find proof to support their bold assertion.

Am I expecting too much, when I'd like someone to provide easy to find proof, of their assertions against said false teachers?

Seriously, at times when I ask for a simple link, or quote, I sense absolute amazement and shock at the concept of providing proof.

I think if someone is going to assert that someone is a false teacher/pastor/prophet/whatever, they should be able to provide easy to find, and easy to follow evidence.

It should follow this format in my opinion.

1. Assertion about said false teacher.
2. Quote from said teacher where they are saying something false. (A quote! Not a 20 page, dense wall of text to climb. Isolate the sentences that are clearly in error and quote them.)
3. Link to said evidence.


Here's an example.

1. Joel Osteen says Mormons are Christians.

2. Asked if a Mormon is a true Christian. Osteen says in his mind they are.

3. Link-->Are Mormons Christians? Joel Osteen says "Yes!" - YouTube
(Around the :46 second part.

See!
Easy to follow.
Easy to find.
Assertion supported.

Is expecting such really an unreasonable thing?
I really don't see why this seems like a foreign concept to some.

If one can't back up their claim that so and so is a false teacher, should they really go around saying it in the first place?
 
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Heheheheh Way to go Still e e e,, " wink, wink"

I agree. Many times, i have been in the room and witnessed this very thing. It has blown way out of porportion and to what should have been simple, got way out of hand and became a controversay. Not to mention the length it took to develop and the people it involved and the feelings that went along in it that can sometimes get heated.. I also think if we try to think the best of people first instead of choosing them to be at the back of the line in many cases, it would avoid many of these situations. On less of course it goes agaisnt Gods word but when its something we are unsure of, we need to be care ful about spurting off our mouth about until we know for sure.
When in doubt, always give the other the benifit of the situation... ALWAYS..
 
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Dotann said:
Heheheheh Way to go Still e e e,, " wink, wink"

I agree. Many times, i have been in the room and witnessed this very thing. It has blown way out of porportion and to what should have been simple, got way out of hand and became a controversay. Not to mention the length it took to develop and the people it involved and the feelings that went along in it that can sometimes get heated.. I also think if we try to think the best of people first instead of choosing them to be at the back of the line in many cases, it would avoid many of these situations. On less of course it goes agaisnt Gods word but when its something we are unsure of, we need to be care ful about spurting off our mouth about until we know for sure.
When in doubt, always give the other the benifit of the situation... ALWAYS..
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To me giving easy to find sources is second nature when I'm "exposing" false teachers.
 
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Billy Graham Exposed!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDAC7ah_YFg[/video]
 
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Sinski exposed



5:51 this guy slandered billy graham and said billy implied something. what a crock.
6:30 he says these guys dont preach truth...who are these guys. Proly everyone but this guy. and sinski

fakse teaching liar.....i could name all the books billy wrote on holyness...but ill just throw up one of many
sources.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jkUISbMORo[/video]

i refused to listen past 8 minutes.
 
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I find it odd that someone supposedly proclaiming the truth is so well thought of and accepted by this world.

Quite a celebrity really.
 
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I think what many need to keep in mind when attempting to expose false teachers is that not only is adequate proof required but also love, compassion, humility and self reflection required as well. Without those later qualities, you're going to come across as being both doctrinally bias and prideful and only offend people in the process instead of helping them .
 
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I do not know the man's heart and not aware of his teachings.

I have come across many "billy graham exposed" ...

I also saw that it is alleged he is a 33 degree free mason... to which i have no proof...

I believe the free masons serve a god and believe in an anointed one...

I do not believe this is Yahvah God or Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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loveme1 said:
I find it odd that someone supposedly proclaiming the truth is so well thought of and accepted by this world.

Quite a celebrity really.
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I think you may have misunderstood the dialogue....listen to billy grahams
vid before making a judgement.
 
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Abiding said:
I think you may have misunderstood the dialogue....listen to billy grahams
vid before making a judgement.
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i actually did initialy miss the dialogue and listened to the video you posted at the times you posted :)

And believed the person in your video was exposing billy graham...

Strange but true.

I then got to grips with it all and remembered things that i have witnessed billy graham being accused of.

I then checked him out, and came across his star on the pavement in hollywood.

I saw a pic of him sitting with obama the president...

I can not make a judgement because i do not know his heart.

I do find it strange that if he is of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah that he would be so wlecomed by this world.
 
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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

There's a website that makes me gasp at how far they go to label almost everyone a heretic. One of my favorite pastors (John MacArthur) made the list, who they claimed was teaching a works based Gospel. Clearly if you check out his statement of faith along with his sermons you'll discover a sound teacher and brother in Christ, not a heretic.

Everyone needs to research for themselves and not trust what others say.

The devil likes to destroy good pastors.


As for Billy Graham, he has fallen away perhaps. He believes Christ is not the only way to Heaven. He's ecumenical, supporting all the false religions. Remember the tower of Babel - the goal was for all of mankind to unite in rebellion against God. God confused them with the languages to slow it down. It was only a matter of time before we saw the modern day tower of babel show up again, aka "ecumenical movement".

Billy Graham even called the pope "the greatest religious leader of the modern world and the greatest moral and spiritual leader of the century"

Pretty telling. Watch video 3:10 onwards....

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZWug3QAvs[/video]
 
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There was a man that died a few years back... in a car accident.

Does any body know his name?
 
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loveme1 said:
There was a man that died a few years back... in a car accident.

Does any body know his name?
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David Wilkerson?
 
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Katy-follower said:
David Wilkerson?
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Thank you.

Wanted to look him up.

Not sure what denomination he was of? if any.
 
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loveme1 said:
i actually did initialy miss the dialogue and listened to the video you posted at the times you posted :)

And believed the person in your video was exposing billy graham...

Strange but true.

I then got to grips with it all and remembered things that i have witnessed billy graham being accused of.

I then checked him out, and came across his star on the pavement in hollywood.

I saw a pic of him sitting with obama the president...

I can not make a judgement because i do not know his heart.

I do find it strange that if he is of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah that he would be so wlecomed by this world.
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No my video wasnt the one exposing billy...that was sinskis ...mine was
one that showed a evangelistic crusade billy gave....it was to show that what
sinskis vid said about billy was untrue.

Billy Graham sure had some faults...and he faded for sure having parkinsons disease
the last 20 years or so. But he did fulfill a good period of time as an evangelist.
 
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Im not against voicing concerns or pointing out the error
in any public preachers work. Im not so in love with twisting
their words tho. Or saying they dont believe in something
by the absence of it being said..on each occasion.
 
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Abiding said:
No my video wasnt the one exposing billy...that was sinskis ...mine was
one that showed a evangelistic crusade billy gave....it was to show that what
sinskis vid said about billy was untrue.

Billy Graham sure had some faults...and he faded for sure having parkinsons disease
the last 20 years or so. But he did fulfill a good period of time as an evangelist.
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Yes, i figured that eventually, you should know me by now not the sharpest pencil :)

I wondered why it was in black and white! i deserve a duurrrr...
 
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loveme1 said:
Yes, i figured that eventually, you should know me by now not the sharpest pencil :)

I wondered why it was in black and white! i deserve a duurrrr...
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oppps i thought you were a magic marker :cool:
 
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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

To be honest, nobody is always a hundred percent correct every hour of the day. I think trying to 'expose' people when generally, most of the time, our own opinions, beliefs and formulations aren't even completely correct, is a bit lop-sided and silly.

In fact, the whole thing is a bit silly.

Person 1. 'I believe * insert belief*'

Person 2. 'Hey you, human being, you are evil. STOP SPREADING LIES!! ONLY MY WAY IS CORRECT!!!'


God: Haha ... don't be so silly fool. *gives itchy ear for a week*

Seriously ... I lol when people get completely caught up in the whole 'I KNOW BEST AND MY WAY IS RIGHT' kind of thing ...

t's pretty pointless considering there is ALWAYS an argument someone can bring to the table that trumps the 'righteous' persons supposed 'righteous' view.

Humans are idiots.

But I love humans. I am a human!! :)
 
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Proof doesn't really matter to the false teachers, because they never admit they're false teachers or change their ways. Instead what I find is that false teachers will turn more vicious than millitant atheists, constantly trying to force their false teachings down our throats while telling us that we're not saved and we don't love God, as if they have adequate knowledge and authority to make such judgments.
 
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