Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

Usually, and personally, i find that elitism, narrow-mindedness, intolerance, impatience, misplaced anger and the inability for real compassion usually go together with false teachings.

If the words ain't spoke in love, the words ain't nothing like God.

Love is patient, kind, it does not anger easily, it isn't averse to the truth, it's a joyful giver. It's forgiving, it's hopeful, it does, thinks, and feels. It has compassion and understanding. it's all the things that make this world a good world. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of it going around these days ..
 
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webchatter

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

Yes I'd like proof too of false teacher accusations. Not 10 pages long with personal theology intertwined with scriptural interpretation. Also, I want to know the denominations following false teaching, & I want to know the name of the denomination tha is pointing out the false teaching. If there is a denomination that doesn't have any false teaching , why not spread the word?
 
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megaman125

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webchatter said:
Yes I'd like proof too of false teacher accusations. Not 10 pages long with personal theology intertwined with scriptural interpretation. Also, I want to know the denominations following false teaching, & I want to know the name of the denomination tha is pointing out the false teaching. If there is a denomination that doesn't have any false teaching , why not spread the word?
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I think (and this is just my opinon, nothing more) that on judgment day God is going to look over to the Christians and tell us that we all got it wrong, or that we were all lacking as far as the whole picture.
 
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gracethroughfaith

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

If you really want to know if someone is a false teacher, a heretick, pay attention to what they do with the Word of God when you present, from God's word alone what God has to say about a subject. They will try to take that same passage and put a little twist on it, making it say something it did not. Or they will interject what they are wanting it to say.

How long ago did we see this done for the first time? It is still being used today because it worked so well the first time. Satan knows how lazy we humans are. He knows most of us are not going to go to God (his word) to see what he had to say about a matter.

Look again at Genesis 3:1-5, then look again at what God really said, in Genesis 2:16-17

Genesis 3:1-5 (KJV)
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

We see God said "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:" But of just one tree in the garden,God said they could not eat of it.

Satan came in and said "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Satan just planted doubt into Eve's mind by saying, God said you can not eat of every tree.

So then we see Eve had entertained the thought Satan planted in her mind and turned God's word around, herself. She said, God said, "the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it"

Did God say they could not touch it? NOPE! Was the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden. NOPE! God only told us were one certain tree was located. That was the tree of LIFE.

Genesis 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So, we see God planted a garden and in that garden he planted every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life he planted in the midst of the garden, and he also planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But he didn't say were the location of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was. These are the trees he planted

What is the "midst"

MIDST, n. [contracted from middest, the superlative of mid.]
The middle.

So if the tree of life was in the midst (middle) of the garden could there be another tree in the midst of the garden. NOPE! Only one middle spot there.

So we see that Satan only added one little word to cause doubt and confusion (NOT). And Eve just trusted in her own understanding rather than God's understanding by his Word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

What religion do I practice? None of this world. Religion is nothing more than man thinking! Religion is not a belief, it is not faith, it is not values, it is not a doctrine of beliefs, it is not a title, a name ( baptist, luthern, morman, catholic, etc.) Lets look at what God says religion is.

James 1:27 (KJV)
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

So to give an answer of where I get my views from. It is from the HOLY WORD OF GOD ALONE! Nothing more nothing less.

Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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gracethroughfaith

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

We are not to debate what is truth. We are to share the Word of God, plant the seed of Truth. God is in charge of proving what is truth. Not we lowly men/woman. God does not need man to prove him right. He already did that himself. All we were told from God was to preach and teach the Gospel.
 
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psychomom

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

Abiding said:
No my video wasnt the one exposing billy...that was sinskis ...mine was
one that showed a evangelistic crusade billy gave....it was to show that what
sinskis vid said about billy was untrue.

Billy Graham sure had some faults...and he faded for sure having parkinsons disease
the last 20 years or so. But he did fulfill a good period of time as an evangelist.
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When I was 14, my bus driver asked me to be his family's babysitter.
They had a 2 year old, Matthew, and his wife had just given birth to triplets...
Mark, Luke, and John. :)
I began sitting for the boys 3 weeks after the triplets were born,
and John, the smallest, wasn't home from the hospital yet.
I grew to love their family over the four years I sat for them,
and watched the boys grow. It took up about 20 hours a week
and was such a blessing. But I couldn't stir up any interest in Jesus,
which made my adolescent heart sad.

They moved to Florida, and 3 years later when they were home visiting,
they called and asked me to come to see them
because they wanted to tell me (in person) that they had attended
a Billy Graham crusade, and had "asked Jesus into their hearts". :)
They became such a wonderful family, with all 4 boys being saved.
For that alone, I will always be grateful the Lord sent Billy.
 
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webchatter

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I only watched the Video with graham's picture on it,with words coming out of his mouth. I wish i wouldn't have watched it, it's been bothering me all day. Was it altered to make it look like Billy Graham said that people who don't believe in Jesus are going to heaven anyway? I can't believe ti. I wasn't aware of that.
 
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megaman125

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Re: Is expecting proof too much when someone is "exposing" false teachers/theologies?

gracethroughfaith said:
If you really want to know if someone is a false teacher, a heretick, pay attention to what they do with the Word of God when you present, from God's word alone what God has to say about a subject. They will try to take that same passage and put a little twist on it, making it say something it did not. Or they will interject what they are wanting it to say.

How long ago did we see this done for the first time? It is still being used today because it worked so well the first time. Satan knows how lazy we humans are. He knows most of us are not going to go to God (his word) to see what he had to say about a matter.

Look again at Genesis 3:1-5, then look again at what God really said, in Genesis 2:16-17

Genesis 3:1-5 (KJV)
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

We see God said "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:" But of just one tree in the garden,God said they could not eat of it.

Satan came in and said "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Satan just planted doubt into Eve's mind by saying, God said you can not eat of every tree.

So then we see Eve had entertained the thought Satan planted in her mind and turned God's word around, herself. She said, God said, "the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it"

Did God say they could not touch it? NOPE! Was the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden. NOPE! God only told us were one certain tree was located. That was the tree of LIFE.

Genesis 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So, we see God planted a garden and in that garden he planted every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life he planted in the midst of the garden, and he also planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But he didn't say were the location of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was. These are the trees he planted

What is the "midst"

MIDST, n. [contracted from middest, the superlative of mid.]
The middle.

So if the tree of life was in the midst (middle) of the garden could there be another tree in the midst of the garden. NOPE! Only one middle spot there.

So we see that Satan only added one little word to cause doubt and confusion (NOT). And Eve just trusted in her own understanding rather than God's understanding by his Word.
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I'm pretty sure Eve would know where the tree of knowledge of good and evil was planted. How else would she know which tree not to eat from if she didn't know where said tree was? I don't see how it would be wrong or inaccurate for Eve to state the location of the tree.
 
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