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The written WORD of GOD does NOT contradict THE VOICE/SPIRIT of GOD and THE VOICE/SPIRIT of GOD does not contradict the written WORD of GOD...but one needs to be born of (FIRST AND FOREMOST) and led by HIS SPIRIT in order to understand the hidden TRUTH(S) of GOD which can only be known by HIS SPIRIT...
It's only IN CHRIST that the veil can be removed...
It's only IN CHRIST that the veil can be removed...
Think about this for a minute, CM. I'm sure you know some people who, maybe because they are mentally deficient like me, could never manage to "graduate" Catechism. Now, we know that, from somewhere, The Church has, over the years, come us with "exceptions" to cover just about any scenario we could possibly dream up, but that still REALLY wouldn't excuse that person from not knowing just what you have been taught. It's just a convenient method of getting around what every other believer is supposed to adhere to.
Honestly, does that sound like the way a loving Father would do things... an "officially" mandated "workaround?" Not really. God would look at, and work with, each of us, at any particular moment of weakness. And He does. He never needed "men" to come up with, and set down as a rule, specific ways to circumvent, or even satiate, His desires.
In the case you mentioned, this same God who walked and talked with Eve and Adam in the garden, needs only to see that you slipped a little, and really do understand the truth. He is NOT out to hope to catch you in inadvertent miss-steps, for the purpose of lowering the boom on you. If that were so, that poor slob we discussed above would have been squashed like a bug years ago......... and every one of the rest of us would eventually follow him, in short order.
Honestly, does that sound like the way a loving Father would do things... an "officially" mandated "workaround?" Not really. God would look at, and work with, each of us, at any particular moment of weakness. And He does. He never needed "men" to come up with, and set down as a rule, specific ways to circumvent, or even satiate, His desires.
In the case you mentioned, this same God who walked and talked with Eve and Adam in the garden, needs only to see that you slipped a little, and really do understand the truth. He is NOT out to hope to catch you in inadvertent miss-steps, for the purpose of lowering the boom on you. If that were so, that poor slob we discussed above would have been squashed like a bug years ago......... and every one of the rest of us would eventually follow him, in short order.
THIS is the important thing. What any of us Yahoos say or think, means little. It is YOUR understanding and contentment in you heart and Spirit that matter. If anything still doesn't sit right with you, we will keep going till the cows come home.
YOU MATTER!.................. Not our conclusion, or some "forum outlines" or rules (of which there are few, by the way.)
YOU MATTER!.................. Not our conclusion, or some "forum outlines" or rules (of which there are few, by the way.)
*sorry, I did not see the admission of being Rcatholic before my last post.
Being Rcatholic won't (shouldn't) get you banned from here...(if it does, we should all leave).
Anyone seeking the Truth of God, Jesus, and His Word, is welcome here...
The problems arise when ppl come here to cause doubt and discension, or make demands on others to follow their formulas and interpretations of obedience, claiming ppl aren't saved otherwise, whether that be Rcatholic rules, or some other forms of works-righteousness, either within 'christian' teaching, or from some other religion.
But the Lord never casts out those who honestly seek to know Him, and neither do we here. (Neither SHOULD we here).
Just be careful, though, because there are some here who seem to decide who they like and who they don't, and they have an agenda of drawing you into debate,
using subtle arrogance to put you down, then ignore or insult you through third party insults or group bullying, and if you defend yourself or try to expose them, out the door you go, often without warning or explanation.
It's very insideous and 'un-christian'.
But Jesus died for sinners.....catholic, baptist, whatever other label man tries to add.....all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But God loves you, Jesus died and rose for you, and if you put your faith and trust in Him, you are saved, (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us),
let no individual or denomination tell you otherwise. \
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~For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.~
~1Thess.5:9-10~
Being Rcatholic won't (shouldn't) get you banned from here...(if it does, we should all leave).
Anyone seeking the Truth of God, Jesus, and His Word, is welcome here...
The problems arise when ppl come here to cause doubt and discension, or make demands on others to follow their formulas and interpretations of obedience, claiming ppl aren't saved otherwise, whether that be Rcatholic rules, or some other forms of works-righteousness, either within 'christian' teaching, or from some other religion.
But the Lord never casts out those who honestly seek to know Him, and neither do we here. (Neither SHOULD we here).
Just be careful, though, because there are some here who seem to decide who they like and who they don't, and they have an agenda of drawing you into debate,
using subtle arrogance to put you down, then ignore or insult you through third party insults or group bullying, and if you defend yourself or try to expose them, out the door you go, often without warning or explanation.
It's very insideous and 'un-christian'.
But Jesus died for sinners.....catholic, baptist, whatever other label man tries to add.....all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But God loves you, Jesus died and rose for you, and if you put your faith and trust in Him, you are saved, (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us),
let no individual or denomination tell you otherwise. \
/~For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.~
~1Thess.5:9-10~
*sorry, I did not see the admission of being Rcatholic before my last post.
Being Rcatholic won't (shouldn't) get you banned from here...(if it does, we should all leave).
Anyone seeking the Truth of God, Jesus, and His Word, is welcome here...
The problems arise when ppl come here to cause doubt and discension, or make demands on others to follow their formulas and interpretations of obedience, claiming ppl aren't saved otherwise, whether that be Rcatholic rules, or some other forms of works-righteousness, either within 'christian' teaching, or from some other religion.
But the Lord never casts out those who honestly seek to know Him, and neither do we here. (Neither SHOULD we here).
Just be careful, though, because there are some here who seem to decide who they like and who they don't, and they have an agenda of drawing you into debate,
using subtle arrogance to put you down, then ignore or insult you through third party insults or group bullying, and if you defend yourself or try to expose them, out the door you go, often without warning or explanation.
It's very insideous and 'un-christian'.
But Jesus died for sinners.....catholic, baptist, whatever other label man tries to add.....all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But God loves you, Jesus died and rose for you, and if you put your faith and trust in Him, you are saved, (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us),
let no individual or denomination tell you otherwise. \/
~For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.~
~1Thess.5:9-10~
Being Rcatholic won't (shouldn't) get you banned from here...(if it does, we should all leave).
Anyone seeking the Truth of God, Jesus, and His Word, is welcome here...
The problems arise when ppl come here to cause doubt and discension, or make demands on others to follow their formulas and interpretations of obedience, claiming ppl aren't saved otherwise, whether that be Rcatholic rules, or some other forms of works-righteousness, either within 'christian' teaching, or from some other religion.
But the Lord never casts out those who honestly seek to know Him, and neither do we here. (Neither SHOULD we here).
Just be careful, though, because there are some here who seem to decide who they like and who they don't, and they have an agenda of drawing you into debate,
using subtle arrogance to put you down, then ignore or insult you through third party insults or group bullying, and if you defend yourself or try to expose them, out the door you go, often without warning or explanation.
It's very insideous and 'un-christian'.
But Jesus died for sinners.....catholic, baptist, whatever other label man tries to add.....all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But God loves you, Jesus died and rose for you, and if you put your faith and trust in Him, you are saved, (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us),
let no individual or denomination tell you otherwise. \
/~For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.~
~1Thess.5:9-10~
A ministry of reconciliation...and ambassadors of that ministry...(2Corinthians 5)
And if we are biting at each other who are in the family, how do we come across to those who are outside THE DOOR?
Cookie Monster.... The RCC has quite a few doctrines that seem to be made up of whole cloth... One of which you mentioned... "mortal sins" versus "venial sins".. I have never seen any scripture that indicates there is anything other than "sin"... ALL sin is bad.
The only other sin mentioned was the "unforgivable sin" which I understand to be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. To me, that is the denial of the deity of God, or the refusal to accept the free gift of God's grace and salvation. God won't save you against your will. He won't drag us kicking and screaming into heaven... in my opinion. If you refuse to believe you NEED salvation, you cannot be saved.
And, like Willie and others have said, God is not some "Wizard of Oz" behind a curtain, waiting for us to "slip" so that He can cast us out... too many scriptures point us to the understanding that God is the PERFECT father figure, and loves us more than we can imagine.
The only other sin mentioned was the "unforgivable sin" which I understand to be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. To me, that is the denial of the deity of God, or the refusal to accept the free gift of God's grace and salvation. God won't save you against your will. He won't drag us kicking and screaming into heaven... in my opinion. If you refuse to believe you NEED salvation, you cannot be saved.
And, like Willie and others have said, God is not some "Wizard of Oz" behind a curtain, waiting for us to "slip" so that He can cast us out... too many scriptures point us to the understanding that God is the PERFECT father figure, and loves us more than we can imagine.
it's your thread. if you wanna go off topic, it's
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