Is it always like this here?

[RickyZ]

Can we buy that in pill form?

I guess a chillax powder would be okay, long as it doesn't have to be adminstered as a suppository.

Sadly, with the state of people these days, most oral medications have become suppositories.
















(Because that's where most people's heads are, icydgi).

 

[RickyZ]

I think some people just like to argue. If you agreed with them, they'd probably argue all the more.

I've actually seen that happen here, several times. People are so set to argue that they don't even realize when they are being agreed with.

 

[RickyZ]

I have a question for Ricky. Ricky you came here and said....pot meet kettle. I'm assuming based on that comment that you didn't think I included myself in the OP. In other words....it didn't feel like you were very generous with me as far what my intentions were.

You being a guy who talks a lot about generosity with money......what about generosity with attitudes and thinking and willing the best for someone else? Do you think it's a thing or not?

Well, let's see...

In the BDF i mean. People calling each other liars and heretics? Where people seem to be more concerned with everybody else's salvation? As if they're "on a mission from God" to put someone in their place. Is that what the Christian walk means to people? An outward circumstance in relation to ourselves? Seems like so much of the world even acts that way. They just use a different language.

No, I don't see anything in this saying "me too".

But you are right, we are to be generous in everything. And since you have come around to say you are just as guilty as, well, me ( ), then come here buddy, I've got a hug for ya!

 

[Magenta]

 

[RickyZ]

There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet and at CC there is no shortage of theses types. To them everyone is a heretic - if you disagree with what they believe about a subject.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack...etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".

Their motto is: "If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that "they"do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.." This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition.

It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1100 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and they are in error and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.

Kinda like driving. Anyone who drives slower than you is a moron, anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac!

(Kudos to the late George Carlin)

 

[RickyZ]

THIS is what it should be like in here!!!

 

[RickyZ]

I think...that maybe even saying something is a lie is tricky. It brings with it the connotation that they are trying to deceive on purpose and this might just be where they are in understanding. I think it's better to just say: I disagree, state the scripture you base your thought on, and then explain your own thought. To say that's a lie is not the best way to respond, in my opinion. And it will make them not hear you from the very first sentence because you have made them defensive!

You have a much better chance of the Spirit working to bring unity if you can disagree without starting off with: that's a lie!

Too, we have become a nation of the chronically offended. A lot is taken as an offense when none was intended.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Kinda like driving. Anyone who drives slower than you is a moron, anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac!

(Kudos to the late George Carlin)

Your post reminds me of something I read that a man said. He said that if someone is one or two steps above us in love, we will admire and look up to them. If they are any more steps above, we will often think them quite evil.

 

[Prov910]

One reason there's so much contention on CC, I think, is because there are so many people who claim to know with certainty the nature of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. (And various scriptural doctrines, etc.) But does any human really know these things with certainty? Oh sure, the curtain has been pulled back to some extent and we've seen part of the picture. And we have the bible to refer to--subject to various interpretations, I guess.

Even the disciples of Christ failed to grasp certain things. And these were people who talked, ate, slept, traveled and hung out with Jesus--and were personally taught by him. Yet time and again Jesus had to explain, and re-explain, his teachings to them until they got it. If they weren't sure about the meaning of some of the things Jesus taught, then how could we be? /jmho

 

[RickyZ]

How else was he supposed to tell you what they were with out saying them?

You're far too practical, sirk. You have to work on that.

The old Sirk would have gotten the joke, and chimed in with something even funnier. The new sirk just pointed out a perceived error. Which is precisely what this thread is about.

But hey, I just did that too, didn't I?

Or did I?

 

[RickyZ]

here is where our hearts are in training, for bigger and better things to come!

Then this must be like SEAL training

 

[zone]

Your post reminds me of something I read that a man said. He said that if someone is one or two steps above us in love, we will admire and look up to them. If they are any more steps above, we will often think them quite evil.

Proverbs 25
6Do not claim honor in the presence of the king, And do not stand in the place of great men; 7For it is better that it be said to you, "Come up here," Than for you to be placed lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen.

 

[RickyZ]

Proverbs 25
6Do not claim honor in the presence of the king, And do not stand in the place of great men; 7For it is better that it be said to you, "Come up here," Than for you to be placed lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen.

Like 14:10 But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, 'Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests. 11For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

 

[oldethennew]

Thanks, Stunned,

awesome words, awesome goal...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Too, we have become a nation of the chronically offended. A lot is taken as an offense when none was intended.

For sure. And you expect the more mature christian who tries to teach others doctrine and has begun to walk more consistently in the Spirit to be the one to just forgive an arrogance or a snip and not even mention it, but when you think someone is at the point of more consistently walking in the Sprit and yet they are running around demanding apologies all the time, you realize that they have been taught doctrine but haven't in fact come to walking well in the Spirit yet because if they had, they would have grown in love and decreased in self love. It's just what happens.

 

[oldethennew]

Then this must be like SEAL training

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oh yes, my loves in Christ, each and every moment of our lives,
after He calls us to be a part of His Holy Body -
He is sealing/teaching us daily how to begin to live our 'new-lives in Him,
and how to abide inside of His Holy Hearts/desire, and how He requires us
to begin to learn how to really live inside of His Holy gifts of Love, apart from
this present un-holy-world...

lots of dedication/work going-on-daily, as our hearts desire, for we begin
to live to only' to Please Him...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

One reason there's so much contention on CC, I think, is because there are so many people who claim to know with certainty the nature of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. (And various scriptural doctrines, etc.) But does any human really know these things with certainty? Oh sure, the curtain has been pulled back to some extent and we've seen part of the picture. And we have the bible to refer to--subject to various interpretations, I guess.

Even the disciples of Christ failed to grasp certain things. And these were people who talked, ate, slept, traveled and hung out with Jesus--and were personally taught by him. Yet time and again Jesus had to explain, and re-explain, his teachings to them until they got it. If they weren't sure about the meaning of some of the things Jesus taught, then how could we be? /jmho

The more we walk in the Spirit, the more we walk by purer faith. This leads to a sort of...blindness in the understanding, because it's been emptying to fill with greater faith. So, when we talk with others about doctrine, we become less...rabid. We don't become a limp noodle, we just have entered the darkness of purer faith and so we're fine with letting others have differing thoughts. In fact, we learn to listen to people more, not less, because they're talking about our Lord and could maybe help us. It's very strange, isn't it? For faith to increase, the intellect has to become emptier or...less attached to its' ways and step into a sort of darkness. Otherwise, it won't walk with more faith, but will keep its' attachment to itself. Hard to try to explain it, huh?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The old Sirk would have gotten the joke, and chimed in with something even funnier. The new sirk just pointed out a perceived error. Which is precisely what this thread is about.

But hey, I just did that too, didn't I?

Or did I?

Are you quite sure of all this? Are you sure you haven't misperceived him and that he was actually confused and not intending to point out error so much as to just say, huh?

By the way, I'm curious about something (as always ). When you talk about the old sirk, this seems to say you have seen some sort of change in him recently?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Haha! You added to it 2 more sentences that I didn't see ricky.

 

[oldethennew]

Stunned,

what you have described as entering/stepping into the darkness,
we describe as entering/stepping into The Light, after being 'called-chosen-elected'...

and yes, you are so right in saying that our hearts truly take on a 'tenderness' towards
our precious brothers and sisters, and we learn how to respect them for 'where-ever' they are
in their 'walk-of-life-for-their-Lord-and-Saviour, Jesus Christ...