Is Jesus Christ a God ?
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To My precious child: ( because you are his child and this is his word)not mine
Because I knew even before I created the earth that you would accept My love for you, and that you would seek to know Me
In the beginning I created the heavens and the earth. Then at the right time and in the right place I created you. I created your inner most being, I created every part of you, I knit you together in your mother's womb. You were carefully and wonderfully made; my works are wonderful, and you My precious child are my work. All the days planned for you were written in my book before one of them came to be. How precious are my thoughts for you, How great is the number of them! If you were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand.
Listen to me, My precious child; I created you and have cared for you since before you were born. I will carry you along and save you. I will carry you in my arms, holding you close to my heart. For I know the plans that I have for you plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
My precious child there are some times of suffering in your life. But the temporary suffering of this life does not compare to the glory that shall be revealed in you. Know this that I am with you and I will help you. Your help comes from me, I will never leave you, I will never reject you. I will pick you up, hold you close Nothing can ever separate you from my love for you. When you are in trouble and distress my love is with you. When you are persecuted my love is with you. When you are hungry and cold and naked my love is with you, I am always with you. When you are in danger and threatened with death my love is with you, I will be with you forever.
My precious child know that nothing can separate you from my love, no matter how high you go, no matter how deep you sink, nothing in life and not even death can separate you from Me, and My love for you. No demon or any other power in hell can separate you from my love. My love for you is revealed through Christ Jesus your Lord.
My precious child, know that everything will work together for your good, because you love me. You have been called according to my purpose. For I knew you before you were born and I predestined you to be conformed to the likeness of my Son, Jesus Christ. This is your destiny, and this is your purpose, that you become one with my Son Jesus.
My precious child, When you confess your sins, I am faithful and just and will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. I will create in you a clean heart and renew a right spirit within you. I will not send you away from My presence, and I will not take My Holy Spirit from you. I will restore again the joy of your salvation, and make you willing to obey Me. Then you will teach My ways to sinners, and they will return to Me also. Humble yourself, therefore, under My mighty hand, that I may lift you up at the right time.
My precious child, call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know. Always pray to Me about your every concern, pray from your mouth and pray from your heart, I hear every thought that you think. Everything that you care about, I care about also because it concerns you. Cast all your cares and anxiety on Me because I love you. Trust in Me, the LORD YOUR GOD, with all your heart, do not depend on your own understanding; In everything acknowledge Me, And I will direct your paths. Do not worry about anything, but in everything big or small, by prayer, with thanksgiving, present your requests to Me, the Most High God. And I will give you My peace in your heart, peace that is beyond all human understanding, and it will guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus. Always be joyful. Keep on praying always. No matter what happens, always be thankful, for this is My will for you because you belong to Me.
My precious child I have set up circumstances and situations in your life to cause you to seek Me and find Me. I desire that you know Me. I am The Lord your God, full of compassion, and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. My precious child glory in this, That you understand and know Me, That I am the LORD, exercising compassion, and lovingkindness.
As a father has compassion on his children, so I your LORD have compassion on you because you fear Me; You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all of My laws are based. When you walk in love you are obeying all My laws. When you walk in Love you are walking in My Holy Spirit for I AM LOVE!
My precious child, My servant, and My friend, whom I have chosen, I have chosen you and have not rejected you. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will hold you up with my righteous right hand. All who come against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who oppose you will be as nothing and perish. Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the LORD, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, for I myself will help you declares the LORD, your Redeemer. You will rejoice in the LORD and glory in the Holy One of Israel.
I your LORD say to you I will rescue you because you love me. I will protect you because you trust in my name. When you call on me, I will answer; I will be with you in trouble. I will rescue you and honor you. I will satisfy you with a long life and give you my salvation. Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me. It is your destiny.
THE LORD Your GOD ( because it is his word to us)
To My precious child: ( because you are his child and this is his word)not mine
Because I knew even before I created the earth that you would accept My love for you, and that you would seek to know Me
In the beginning I created the heavens and the earth. Then at the right time and in the right place I created you. I created your inner most being, I created every part of you, I knit you together in your mother's womb. You were carefully and wonderfully made; my works are wonderful, and you My precious child are my work. All the days planned for you were written in my book before one of them came to be. How precious are my thoughts for you, How great is the number of them! If you were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand.
Listen to me, My precious child; I created you and have cared for you since before you were born. I will carry you along and save you. I will carry you in my arms, holding you close to my heart. For I know the plans that I have for you plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
My precious child there are some times of suffering in your life. But the temporary suffering of this life does not compare to the glory that shall be revealed in you. Know this that I am with you and I will help you. Your help comes from me, I will never leave you, I will never reject you. I will pick you up, hold you close Nothing can ever separate you from my love for you. When you are in trouble and distress my love is with you. When you are persecuted my love is with you. When you are hungry and cold and naked my love is with you, I am always with you. When you are in danger and threatened with death my love is with you, I will be with you forever.
My precious child know that nothing can separate you from my love, no matter how high you go, no matter how deep you sink, nothing in life and not even death can separate you from Me, and My love for you. No demon or any other power in hell can separate you from my love. My love for you is revealed through Christ Jesus your Lord.
My precious child, know that everything will work together for your good, because you love me. You have been called according to my purpose. For I knew you before you were born and I predestined you to be conformed to the likeness of my Son, Jesus Christ. This is your destiny, and this is your purpose, that you become one with my Son Jesus.
My precious child, When you confess your sins, I am faithful and just and will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. I will create in you a clean heart and renew a right spirit within you. I will not send you away from My presence, and I will not take My Holy Spirit from you. I will restore again the joy of your salvation, and make you willing to obey Me. Then you will teach My ways to sinners, and they will return to Me also. Humble yourself, therefore, under My mighty hand, that I may lift you up at the right time.
My precious child, call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know. Always pray to Me about your every concern, pray from your mouth and pray from your heart, I hear every thought that you think. Everything that you care about, I care about also because it concerns you. Cast all your cares and anxiety on Me because I love you. Trust in Me, the LORD YOUR GOD, with all your heart, do not depend on your own understanding; In everything acknowledge Me, And I will direct your paths. Do not worry about anything, but in everything big or small, by prayer, with thanksgiving, present your requests to Me, the Most High God. And I will give you My peace in your heart, peace that is beyond all human understanding, and it will guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus. Always be joyful. Keep on praying always. No matter what happens, always be thankful, for this is My will for you because you belong to Me.
My precious child I have set up circumstances and situations in your life to cause you to seek Me and find Me. I desire that you know Me. I am The Lord your God, full of compassion, and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. My precious child glory in this, That you understand and know Me, That I am the LORD, exercising compassion, and lovingkindness.
As a father has compassion on his children, so I your LORD have compassion on you because you fear Me; You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all of My laws are based. When you walk in love you are obeying all My laws. When you walk in Love you are walking in My Holy Spirit for I AM LOVE!
My precious child, My servant, and My friend, whom I have chosen, I have chosen you and have not rejected you. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will hold you up with my righteous right hand. All who come against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who oppose you will be as nothing and perish. Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the LORD, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, for I myself will help you declares the LORD, your Redeemer. You will rejoice in the LORD and glory in the Holy One of Israel.
I your LORD say to you I will rescue you because you love me. I will protect you because you trust in my name. When you call on me, I will answer; I will be with you in trouble. I will rescue you and honor you. I will satisfy you with a long life and give you my salvation. Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me. It is your destiny.
THE LORD Your GOD ( because it is his word to us)
Z
So, I see the discussion has switched from the deity of Christ to Trinity vs. Oneness.
Just wanted to point that out.
4runner - No, he's not a 1/3 of God. He is *fully* God.
If I'm wrong, He'll tell me when I meet Him. As for now, I'll continue to worship Him as my Lord and my God, honoring Him just as I honor our Father, to the glory of the Father and to the Lamb forever and ever by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Grace and Love
Just wanted to point that out.
4runner - No, he's not a 1/3 of God. He is *fully* God.
If I'm wrong, He'll tell me when I meet Him. As for now, I'll continue to worship Him as my Lord and my God, honoring Him just as I honor our Father, to the glory of the Father and to the Lamb forever and ever by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Grace and Love
Z
Trypho: We have heard what you think of these matters. Resume the discourse where you left off, and bring it to an end. For some of it appears to me to be paradoxical, and wholly incapable of proof. For when you say that this Christ existed as God before the ages, then that He submitted to be born and become man, yet that He is not man of man, this [assertion] appears to me to be not merely paradoxical, but also foolish.
Justin: I know that the statement does appear to be paradoxical, especially to those of your race, who are ever unwilling to understand or to perform the [requirements] of God, but [ready to perform] those of your teachers, as God Himself declares. Isaiah 29:13 Now assuredly, Trypho, [the proof] that this man is the Christ of God does not fail, though I be unable to prove that He existed formerly as Son of the Maker of all things, being God, and was born a man by the Virgin. But since I have certainly proved that this man is the Christ of God, whoever He be, even if I do not prove that He pre-existed, and submitted to be born a man of like passions with us, having a body, according to the Father's will; in this last matter alone is it just to say that I have erred, and not to deny that He is the Christ, though it should appear that He was born man of men, and [nothing more] is proved [than this], that He has become Christ by election. For there are some, my friends, of our race, who admit that He is Christ, while holding Him to be man of men; with whom I do not agree, nor would I, even though most of those who have [now] the same opinions as myself should say so; since we were enjoined by Christ Himself to put no faith in human doctrines, but in those proclaimed by the blessed prophets and taught by Himself.
(Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chp. 48)
Justin: I know that the statement does appear to be paradoxical, especially to those of your race, who are ever unwilling to understand or to perform the [requirements] of God, but [ready to perform] those of your teachers, as God Himself declares. Isaiah 29:13 Now assuredly, Trypho, [the proof] that this man is the Christ of God does not fail, though I be unable to prove that He existed formerly as Son of the Maker of all things, being God, and was born a man by the Virgin. But since I have certainly proved that this man is the Christ of God, whoever He be, even if I do not prove that He pre-existed, and submitted to be born a man of like passions with us, having a body, according to the Father's will; in this last matter alone is it just to say that I have erred, and not to deny that He is the Christ, though it should appear that He was born man of men, and [nothing more] is proved [than this], that He has become Christ by election. For there are some, my friends, of our race, who admit that He is Christ, while holding Him to be man of men; with whom I do not agree, nor would I, even though most of those who have [now] the same opinions as myself should say so; since we were enjoined by Christ Himself to put no faith in human doctrines, but in those proclaimed by the blessed prophets and taught by Himself.
(Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chp. 48)
But any and all discussions of Christ's deity must at least generally involve overall Godhead doctrinal discussion.
Trinity does, in fact, present Jesus as 1/3 OF God, though fully deity. There's no way around it if Jesus is not the Father and/or Holy Spirit and neither is Him. It's one of the things Trinis sweep under the theological rug and go on.
Too discreet, versus distinct. Too much threeness. Not enough oneness.
Trinity does, in fact, present Jesus as 1/3 OF God, though fully deity. There's no way around it if Jesus is not the Father and/or Holy Spirit and neither is Him. It's one of the things Trinis sweep under the theological rug and go on.
Too discreet, versus distinct. Too much threeness. Not enough oneness.
Jesus Christ is God,for He is God manifest in the flesh,which means,that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,making the man Christ Jesus a visible manifestation of God,and the visible relationship of God to the saints,for God glorified that human body and sits on the throne in heaven,for it is the throne of both God and the Lamb(Revelation 22:3-4).
Jesus Christ is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself,and will be the visible relationship that God will have with His saints.Jesus Christ is God.
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).
Jesus shall be called the mighty God.
11The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne(Psalm 132:11).
We know that Jesus will sit upon the throne of David,and God said He will sit upon the throne of David,because Jesus is God.
2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).
The Bible says when Jesus comes He will be from everlasting,which means to have no beginning,and only God has no beginning.
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory(1 Timothy 3:16).
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so He is God in a visible manifestation,the only way you can see God,for angels cannot even see God unless He shows them a visible manifestation of Himself.
14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).
Jesus is more than a visible God,for He is the invisible God,for He dwells in the light that no man can approach unto,and no man can see Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus.
That is why Jesus told the thief that He would be with Him that day in paradise,for although Jesus went to conquer hell,His Spirit is omnipresent and dwells in heaven.
Jesus is the invisible omnipresent Spirit,who came as a visible manifestation,but His Spirit is still everywhere,and the Spirit in the man Christ Jesus is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty(Revelation 1:8).
Jesus said He is God,when He said I am Alpha and Omega,which means that He has no beginning and no end,and the Almighty.
Jesus is the Son of God because of His humanity and deity,the human manifestation of God.He is fully God and fully man,hence God and Son together in the person of Jesus Christ.The man Christ Jesus,the visible manifestation of God is the Son of God,for the visible manifestation of God is not all God,for the man Christ Jesus is part of that manifestation,so Son of God,God and man together.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 5:2).
The truth is the man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.
16And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
17For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence(Isaiah 59:16-18).
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation(2 Corinthians 5:19).
No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in the flesh,and reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,and all who receive the Spirit are in harmony with God as the man Christ Jesus,who is the one sitting on the throne in heaven with the deity of God,because it is the throne of both God and the Lamb,the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
That is why Jesus according to His humanity prayed to God,that the saints could have the same glory as Him and be where He is going to be,and to behold His glory,which means Jesus prayed to God,that the saints could have a glorified body like His,and to behold His glory as He sits upon the throne in heaven,as God shines out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus and lights the New Jerusalem,for the Bible says that there is no sun to light the New Jerusalem,but the Lamb is the light thereof.
Jesus is God.
Jesus Christ is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself,and will be the visible relationship that God will have with His saints.Jesus Christ is God.
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).
Jesus shall be called the mighty God.
11The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne(Psalm 132:11).
We know that Jesus will sit upon the throne of David,and God said He will sit upon the throne of David,because Jesus is God.
2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).
The Bible says when Jesus comes He will be from everlasting,which means to have no beginning,and only God has no beginning.
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory(1 Timothy 3:16).
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so He is God in a visible manifestation,the only way you can see God,for angels cannot even see God unless He shows them a visible manifestation of Himself.
14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).
Jesus is more than a visible God,for He is the invisible God,for He dwells in the light that no man can approach unto,and no man can see Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus.
That is why Jesus told the thief that He would be with Him that day in paradise,for although Jesus went to conquer hell,His Spirit is omnipresent and dwells in heaven.
Jesus is the invisible omnipresent Spirit,who came as a visible manifestation,but His Spirit is still everywhere,and the Spirit in the man Christ Jesus is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty(Revelation 1:8).
Jesus said He is God,when He said I am Alpha and Omega,which means that He has no beginning and no end,and the Almighty.
Jesus is the Son of God because of His humanity and deity,the human manifestation of God.He is fully God and fully man,hence God and Son together in the person of Jesus Christ.The man Christ Jesus,the visible manifestation of God is the Son of God,for the visible manifestation of God is not all God,for the man Christ Jesus is part of that manifestation,so Son of God,God and man together.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 5:2).
The truth is the man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.
16And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
17For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence(Isaiah 59:16-18).
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation(2 Corinthians 5:19).
No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in the flesh,and reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,and all who receive the Spirit are in harmony with God as the man Christ Jesus,who is the one sitting on the throne in heaven with the deity of God,because it is the throne of both God and the Lamb,the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
That is why Jesus according to His humanity prayed to God,that the saints could have the same glory as Him and be where He is going to be,and to behold His glory,which means Jesus prayed to God,that the saints could have a glorified body like His,and to behold His glory as He sits upon the throne in heaven,as God shines out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus and lights the New Jerusalem,for the Bible says that there is no sun to light the New Jerusalem,but the Lamb is the light thereof.
Jesus is God.
Z
The point was that there certainly is evidence that second-century Christians believe Jesus to be the God man. Ignatius of course came earlier.
As for him not being able to prove pre-existence, the interesting thing is that he still holds to it throughout the rest of the discussion. Him "not being able to prove it" wasn't the point I was trying to show...I should have clarified that.
Grace and Love
As for him not being able to prove pre-existence, the interesting thing is that he still holds to it throughout the rest of the discussion. Him "not being able to prove it" wasn't the point I was trying to show...I should have clarified that.
Grace and Love
The truth concerning the trinity is there is no trinity.
The truth is there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit.
Father is a title for God as our parent,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The reason the Son has no beginning,although He is humanity,is because God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which makes that man the personal human body of God Himself,and God has no beginning.
The term Son means to be begotten,have a beginning,and come after the Father,and if not in that term then Son has no meaning.
So the Son has to come after the Father or else Son has no meaning.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,came after the Father giving the term Son meaning.
The Bible says that when the fulness of time came God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and was made according to the flesh,not created in heaven,and not created before the law.
The Son had His start when conceived by the Holy Spirit.
The problem is people do not understand some of the terminology or meaning in the Bible of some things,even some oneness people,to understand that it all relates to oneness,and can be explained to be oneness.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8),although it did not happen until 4000 years later,so using that terminology would mean,that the Son can exist in the beginning even though He was not born and had substance until 4000 years later,for God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened.
The Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,in 2 passages of scripture.
If the Bible wanted to mention there is only one God,and then leave it at that,the trinitarians might think 3 persons but 1 God,and think they are justified,but when the Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,then we know there is no trinity because it only mentions the Father as that one God.
If the Bible says one God and then mentions the Father as that one God,then it is telling us the entirety of God because it mentions who the entirety of God is,by mentioning the Father and not leaving it at one God and that is it.
Because it is telling us the entirety of God by saying one God,and then mentioning the Father as that one God,we know there is only one God,the Father,for if there was a trinity,it would say one God,and then mention the 3 persons if it was a trinity,for it would have to and not only mention the Father as God.
But it only needs to mention the Father as God,and does not need to mention Son,for that is humanity,and does not need to mention Holy Spirit,for the Father is the Holy Spirit,so it only needs to mention Father,for why say Holy Spirit,if the Father is the Holy Spirit,which would be repeating the same person in the scripture.Only the Father is God.
The Old Testament states that when the Son comes He shall be called The everlasting Father,so what do trinitarians do with that.
It did not say the Son will represent the Father,but the Son will be called the Father,so Jesus is the visible manifestation of the Father,not a God the Son.Not only that but Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,so it was the Spirit that was manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son,and the Spirit is the Father in spiritual activity,that is why it was the Spirit that moved upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1,and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in us,for there is only one God the Holy Spirit.
That is why Jesus said if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,because Jesus is the Father in a visible manifestation.Jesus is the Father manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son.
That is why Jesus said when He goes to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,which Jesus is saying that the disciples go to Him as the Son,the man Christ Jesus to intercede for them to the Father while on earth,but when Jesus goes to heaven they do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus,to intercede for them,but they go directly to the Father,but then Jesus is the Father they go to because Jesus said in another passage of scripture that when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
So Jesus is saying when He ascends to heaven do not ask Him anything as the Son,the man Christ Jesus,but ask Him as the Father,in which Jesus said in that day He will show them plainly of the Father,and when Jesus said that the disciples then knew for certain who Jesus is,God visiting them in a human manifestation.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,is not 3 persons in a trinity,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His saints,which would have to have titles to identify that relationship.
Father-title for parent of the saints.It does not make it a first person of a trinity for Father is a title for God for His parental role in our life.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,for that is the only way you can see the invisible God is if He shows you a manifestation of Himself,which He did in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Old Testament says that God one day will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
It does not make the Son a second person of a trinity,but God showing us a human manifestation of Himself.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,our spiritual relationship with God.It does not make it a third person of a trinity but we can only have a spiritual relationship with the Spirit.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,mentioned in the Bible,does not mean that God is telling us there is a trinity,but that God is our parent,has a visible relationship with us so we can see the invisible God,and has an invisible relationship with us,and it is the same God with no distinction of persons,that created us,came in flesh,and dwells in us.
The truth is there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit.
Father is a title for God as our parent,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The reason the Son has no beginning,although He is humanity,is because God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which makes that man the personal human body of God Himself,and God has no beginning.
The term Son means to be begotten,have a beginning,and come after the Father,and if not in that term then Son has no meaning.
So the Son has to come after the Father or else Son has no meaning.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,came after the Father giving the term Son meaning.
The Bible says that when the fulness of time came God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and was made according to the flesh,not created in heaven,and not created before the law.
The Son had His start when conceived by the Holy Spirit.
The problem is people do not understand some of the terminology or meaning in the Bible of some things,even some oneness people,to understand that it all relates to oneness,and can be explained to be oneness.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8),although it did not happen until 4000 years later,so using that terminology would mean,that the Son can exist in the beginning even though He was not born and had substance until 4000 years later,for God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened.
The Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,in 2 passages of scripture.
If the Bible wanted to mention there is only one God,and then leave it at that,the trinitarians might think 3 persons but 1 God,and think they are justified,but when the Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,then we know there is no trinity because it only mentions the Father as that one God.
If the Bible says one God and then mentions the Father as that one God,then it is telling us the entirety of God because it mentions who the entirety of God is,by mentioning the Father and not leaving it at one God and that is it.
Because it is telling us the entirety of God by saying one God,and then mentioning the Father as that one God,we know there is only one God,the Father,for if there was a trinity,it would say one God,and then mention the 3 persons if it was a trinity,for it would have to and not only mention the Father as God.
But it only needs to mention the Father as God,and does not need to mention Son,for that is humanity,and does not need to mention Holy Spirit,for the Father is the Holy Spirit,so it only needs to mention Father,for why say Holy Spirit,if the Father is the Holy Spirit,which would be repeating the same person in the scripture.Only the Father is God.
The Old Testament states that when the Son comes He shall be called The everlasting Father,so what do trinitarians do with that.
It did not say the Son will represent the Father,but the Son will be called the Father,so Jesus is the visible manifestation of the Father,not a God the Son.Not only that but Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,so it was the Spirit that was manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son,and the Spirit is the Father in spiritual activity,that is why it was the Spirit that moved upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1,and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in us,for there is only one God the Holy Spirit.
That is why Jesus said if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,because Jesus is the Father in a visible manifestation.Jesus is the Father manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son.
That is why Jesus said when He goes to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,which Jesus is saying that the disciples go to Him as the Son,the man Christ Jesus to intercede for them to the Father while on earth,but when Jesus goes to heaven they do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus,to intercede for them,but they go directly to the Father,but then Jesus is the Father they go to because Jesus said in another passage of scripture that when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
So Jesus is saying when He ascends to heaven do not ask Him anything as the Son,the man Christ Jesus,but ask Him as the Father,in which Jesus said in that day He will show them plainly of the Father,and when Jesus said that the disciples then knew for certain who Jesus is,God visiting them in a human manifestation.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,is not 3 persons in a trinity,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His saints,which would have to have titles to identify that relationship.
Father-title for parent of the saints.It does not make it a first person of a trinity for Father is a title for God for His parental role in our life.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,for that is the only way you can see the invisible God is if He shows you a manifestation of Himself,which He did in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Old Testament says that God one day will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
It does not make the Son a second person of a trinity,but God showing us a human manifestation of Himself.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,our spiritual relationship with God.It does not make it a third person of a trinity but we can only have a spiritual relationship with the Spirit.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,mentioned in the Bible,does not mean that God is telling us there is a trinity,but that God is our parent,has a visible relationship with us so we can see the invisible God,and has an invisible relationship with us,and it is the same God with no distinction of persons,that created us,came in flesh,and dwells in us.