Is Jesus Christ a God ?
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John 3:18 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believe on him is not condemned; but he that believe not is condemned already, because he has NOT BELIEVED in the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
John 5:22 For the FATHER judges no man, but has committed all judgement unto the SON
John 5:23 That all men should HONOR the SON, even as they HONOR the FATHER, which has SENT him.
The Son, The Son, The Son........What does the word Son mean?
If I say to you "Hi, I cant be with you right now, but I will send my son on my behalf, and he will meet with you and give you my message" does that mean that my son is me?
And if that son was me, you would call me a liar and say "You said you were sending your Son, you tricked me"
God cant lie remember. Everything that proceeds out of his mouth is truth.
Son means offspring.
The angels declared it to Mary
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called "THE SON OF GOD"
God himself speaking
John 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
John the baptist speaking
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.
The disciples declared it
Matt 14:33 And they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a TRUTH thou are the SON OF GOD
Even Lucifer knows Jesus is the Son of God
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the SON OF GOD, command that these stones be made bread.
And Lucifers angels know too
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou SON OF GOD? have you come here to torment us before the time?
The thief on the cross
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroys the temple, and build it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the SON OF GOD, come down from the cross.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in ANY OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
John 20:31 But these are WRITTEN, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through HIS NAME
Can you see the rythmn of the message?.....
I'm happy to debate this with you, but I'll probably get kicked off for denying the diety of Christ when in actual fact it is you guys who are denying Christ's diety because you say "there is no Son" he is God.
You have been conned and I dont wish to discourage you or compremise your faith, but to enrich you with truth. Because if we go wrong here, right at the foundation of our faith..... which is Christ, the corner stone, .......and if we dont even truly know who he is because we've listened to men who have invented their own doctrine, then we will build our foundation on bad soil and the holy spirit will be grieved because the full truth cannot grow out of something that has been corrupted.
I'll leave it at that for now.
God bless and take care.
John 3:18 He that believe on him is not condemned; but he that believe not is condemned already, because he has NOT BELIEVED in the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
John 5:22 For the FATHER judges no man, but has committed all judgement unto the SON
John 5:23 That all men should HONOR the SON, even as they HONOR the FATHER, which has SENT him.
The Son, The Son, The Son........What does the word Son mean?
If I say to you "Hi, I cant be with you right now, but I will send my son on my behalf, and he will meet with you and give you my message" does that mean that my son is me?
And if that son was me, you would call me a liar and say "You said you were sending your Son, you tricked me"
God cant lie remember. Everything that proceeds out of his mouth is truth.
Son means offspring.
The angels declared it to Mary
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called "THE SON OF GOD"
God himself speaking
John 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
John the baptist speaking
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.
The disciples declared it
Matt 14:33 And they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a TRUTH thou are the SON OF GOD
Even Lucifer knows Jesus is the Son of God
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the SON OF GOD, command that these stones be made bread.
And Lucifers angels know too
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou SON OF GOD? have you come here to torment us before the time?
The thief on the cross
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroys the temple, and build it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the SON OF GOD, come down from the cross.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in ANY OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
John 20:31 But these are WRITTEN, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through HIS NAME
Can you see the rythmn of the message?.....
I'm happy to debate this with you, but I'll probably get kicked off for denying the diety of Christ when in actual fact it is you guys who are denying Christ's diety because you say "there is no Son" he is God.
You have been conned and I dont wish to discourage you or compremise your faith, but to enrich you with truth. Because if we go wrong here, right at the foundation of our faith..... which is Christ, the corner stone, .......and if we dont even truly know who he is because we've listened to men who have invented their own doctrine, then we will build our foundation on bad soil and the holy spirit will be grieved because the full truth cannot grow out of something that has been corrupted.
I'll leave it at that for now.
God bless and take care.
R
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11) Old Testament
besides the Father there is no Saviour.
What?!? How can this be if Jesus is our Saviour?!? Yes the Father is Saviour "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"(2 Timothy 1:10) New Testament
"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."(Isaiah 45:23) Old Testament
Every knee shall bow unto the Father.
Yes every knee shall bow to God! "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"(Philippians 2:10)New Testament
You may ask how can this be if it destroys the trinity doctrine of three different "persons", Jesus never says I am ONE OF THREE. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."(Galatians 3:20) not a mediator of one Trinity but God is One.
How can this be? there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father.
Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am "he", ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24) we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.
Don't be like the Jews who did not understand His meaning just cuz He said He is the Father.
"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."(Isaiah 52:6) Old Testament
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(John 14:10) New Testament
In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" the Apostles understood in the name(singular) not plural making it one name not three.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)
THE NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."(Revelation 1:8)
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)
There is not three different persons but One living God.
"...God was manifest in the flesh..."(1 Timothy 3:16)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Colossians 2:9)
besides the Father there is no Saviour.
What?!? How can this be if Jesus is our Saviour?!? Yes the Father is Saviour "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"(2 Timothy 1:10) New Testament
"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."(Isaiah 45:23) Old Testament
Every knee shall bow unto the Father.
Yes every knee shall bow to God! "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"(Philippians 2:10)New Testament
You may ask how can this be if it destroys the trinity doctrine of three different "persons", Jesus never says I am ONE OF THREE. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."(Galatians 3:20) not a mediator of one Trinity but God is One.
How can this be? there is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father.
Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am "he", ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24) we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.
Don't be like the Jews who did not understand His meaning just cuz He said He is the Father.
"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."(Isaiah 52:6) Old Testament
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."(John 14:10) New Testament
In 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) God alone is Holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore 1 John 5:7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)
In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" the Apostles understood in the name(singular) not plural making it one name not three.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."(Acts 2:38)
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)
THE NAME IS JESUS CHRIST
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."(Revelation 1:8)
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)
There is not three different persons but One living God.
"...God was manifest in the flesh..."(1 Timothy 3:16)
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Colossians 2:9)
If no Godhead: what about these 3 verses:
Acts 17:29 KJV "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like to gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of Hiim from creation of the world are clearly seen, clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Colossians 2:9 "For in dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily."
All my bibles at home are HCSB, NWT, NRSV, and KJV only the King James Version has this word God-head why is that? For I know Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and these three are one.
Acts 17:29 KJV "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like to gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of Hiim from creation of the world are clearly seen, clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Colossians 2:9 "For in dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily."
All my bibles at home are HCSB, NWT, NRSV, and KJV only the King James Version has this word God-head why is that? For I know Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and these three are one.
R
Over time they are trying to change the Bible for easier translation BUT they add and take away from the word of God for this reason I do like to used newer translations I like using KJV. Don't get me wrong it's good to use other Translations to understand more but don't depend on one Bible compare scriptures. For this reason is why there is a lot of confusement about the Godhead by changing the original translation they are trying to deceive people.
Z
We don't deny Him as the only Son of God. You, in fact, do. To be the "only Son" you must be, in essence, God.
As my mother is human, so am I.
As Jesus' father is God, He is God.
As Jesus' human mother is Mary, He is human.
The question would be, are you building your foundation on just a human? a perfect one at that, but still just a human compared to the Almighty God? Yes.
Our foundation rests on God and Him alone. No one else. Christ is God.
All you can do, not to be completely harsh, is to pick and choose which verses you like, then throw out the rest.
For instance, whose glory did Isaiah see? He saw God's glory. He saw Jesus' glory.
Who was to have a straight path made before them? YHWH. Who was this applied to in the NT? JESUS.
Was Christ in the form of man in the beginning? No, He was in the form of God.
What did He voluntarily take on? The form of man. (Philippians 2:5-11)
God alone is the Creator, yet Jesus is said to BE that Creator (Hebrews 1, Colossians 2:15-20, John 1:1-18)
(You may bring up that Jesus is called the "firstborn" over all creation. This means RULER. David was called this in the Psalms. It doesn't mean "first created." It means "ruler over.")
Now, you may also bring up "The Father is greater than I" and "no one knows that day nor hour...neither the Son."
1. Jesus was going to the Father, why? Because the Father was greater than Him. What would "greater" seem to mean in the context? In essential equality? No, but in authoritative equality.
The Father wasn't going to Jesus. Jesus was going to the Father in Heaven.
2. Jesus did give up some divine prerogatives when He came to earth (Philippians 2:5-7). One of these may have been knowing that day our hour, because, in HIS divine knowledge He knew that the disciples would ask Him this (if He knew who would turn away from Him, how could He not know this?.
You know, with everything I've written the past few years I probably could have come up with a book on His deity by now XD In all honesty.
Grace and Love
As my mother is human, so am I.
As Jesus' father is God, He is God.
As Jesus' human mother is Mary, He is human.
The question would be, are you building your foundation on just a human? a perfect one at that, but still just a human compared to the Almighty God? Yes.
Our foundation rests on God and Him alone. No one else. Christ is God.
All you can do, not to be completely harsh, is to pick and choose which verses you like, then throw out the rest.
For instance, whose glory did Isaiah see? He saw God's glory. He saw Jesus' glory.
Who was to have a straight path made before them? YHWH. Who was this applied to in the NT? JESUS.
Was Christ in the form of man in the beginning? No, He was in the form of God.
What did He voluntarily take on? The form of man. (Philippians 2:5-11)
God alone is the Creator, yet Jesus is said to BE that Creator (Hebrews 1, Colossians 2:15-20, John 1:1-18)
(You may bring up that Jesus is called the "firstborn" over all creation. This means RULER. David was called this in the Psalms. It doesn't mean "first created." It means "ruler over.")
Now, you may also bring up "The Father is greater than I" and "no one knows that day nor hour...neither the Son."
1. Jesus was going to the Father, why? Because the Father was greater than Him. What would "greater" seem to mean in the context? In essential equality? No, but in authoritative equality.
The Father wasn't going to Jesus. Jesus was going to the Father in Heaven.
2. Jesus did give up some divine prerogatives when He came to earth (Philippians 2:5-7). One of these may have been knowing that day our hour, because, in HIS divine knowledge He knew that the disciples would ask Him this (if He knew who would turn away from Him, how could He not know this?.
You know, with everything I've written the past few years I probably could have come up with a book on His deity by now XD In all honesty.
Grace and Love
You presume Godhead means what you perceive it to mean in Trinitarian context as an inherited conceptualization rather than actual language knowledge. Those of us who have, by leadership of the Spirit, exercised stewardship in the area of language study must constantly contend with those who have a presupposed coloquial understanding of word usage. We also have to deal with baseless accusations of engaging in semantics when anything challenges the error of Trinity doctrine.
The Acts passage is theios (G2304). The Romans passage is theios (G2305). The Colossians passage is theotes (G2320). All come from theos (G2316). It might help to actually have an idea what the various renderings mean rather than just assuming it's a grouping of multiplicity according to default Trinity doctrine.
For example, Theotes (G2330) is in specific reference to the SINGULAR personality of God. No room for multiple personalities can be accurately inferred. And it isn't semantics, it's careful exegesis; as opposed to common Trinitarian usage of the term to automatically indicate a plurality.
The Acts passage is theios (G2304). The Romans passage is theios (G2305). The Colossians passage is theotes (G2320). All come from theos (G2316). It might help to actually have an idea what the various renderings mean rather than just assuming it's a grouping of multiplicity according to default Trinity doctrine.
For example, Theotes (G2330) is in specific reference to the SINGULAR personality of God. No room for multiple personalities can be accurately inferred. And it isn't semantics, it's careful exegesis; as opposed to common Trinitarian usage of the term to automatically indicate a plurality.
...in reference to R3VOLU7ION's contention that God is not three person's, it seems clear that's his understanding of Godhead since it's what he was questioning.
Whether or not he was... Actually, YOU made the assertion that there was nothing wrong with persons (personalities) in your post #47 of Scott1960's John 15:26 thread.
You may contend that it's semantics from now 'til eternity, but three conjoined triplets is NOT synonymous to spirit-soul-body of one divinity. Nor is a schizophrenic multiple-personality assertion.
There are other God-models with distinctions of threeness that also aren't just semantics, and they are anathematized (Arianist, Triadist, Oneness). Trinis don't like the script flipped and thus stake out all facets of threeness as their own (or at least you do).
Look... I absolutely agree with every word you've ever presented about Amillennialism and about the coming world landscape, and even more that you may or may not be aware of. Your eschatology is scriptural and practical for those will take heed and prepare, and leave behind any other fallacious understanding based on fairy tales in Scofield's notes.
But... Eschatology isn't an inherently salvific topic. Godhead doctrine certainly is. Just as "walking an aisle" to "invite Jesus into one's heart" and "reciting a sinner's prayer" shouldn't be superimposed into the process of receiving salvation by grace; neither should an erroneous understanding of who Jesus is.
The Gospel message includes some understanding of who Jesus is and THAT He will come again, so Godhead doctrine is salvific at least to some degree. Details of the WHEN of His return isn't inherently salvific.
I have greater concern for those whose Godhead belief has left them without true salvific faith than I do for those WITH salvific faith that have bad eschatology doctrine.
And just because you contend that those who disengage from debate with you have run out of answers, it doesn't make THAT true, either.
Have a blessed week and I pray you be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man.
Whether or not he was... Actually, YOU made the assertion that there was nothing wrong with persons (personalities) in your post #47 of Scott1960's John 15:26 thread.
You may contend that it's semantics from now 'til eternity, but three conjoined triplets is NOT synonymous to spirit-soul-body of one divinity. Nor is a schizophrenic multiple-personality assertion.
There are other God-models with distinctions of threeness that also aren't just semantics, and they are anathematized (Arianist, Triadist, Oneness). Trinis don't like the script flipped and thus stake out all facets of threeness as their own (or at least you do).
Look... I absolutely agree with every word you've ever presented about Amillennialism and about the coming world landscape, and even more that you may or may not be aware of. Your eschatology is scriptural and practical for those will take heed and prepare, and leave behind any other fallacious understanding based on fairy tales in Scofield's notes.
But... Eschatology isn't an inherently salvific topic. Godhead doctrine certainly is. Just as "walking an aisle" to "invite Jesus into one's heart" and "reciting a sinner's prayer" shouldn't be superimposed into the process of receiving salvation by grace; neither should an erroneous understanding of who Jesus is.
The Gospel message includes some understanding of who Jesus is and THAT He will come again, so Godhead doctrine is salvific at least to some degree. Details of the WHEN of His return isn't inherently salvific.
I have greater concern for those whose Godhead belief has left them without true salvific faith than I do for those WITH salvific faith that have bad eschatology doctrine.
And just because you contend that those who disengage from debate with you have run out of answers, it doesn't make THAT true, either.
Have a blessed week and I pray you be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man.
I am new here.
Just saw the thread outline.
Of cause he is!
If no bible quotes are wanted, in short.
The Father, Jesus the Son of God who is One with the Holy Spirit.
Who else than God himself in flesh in his Son Jesus could do it to save his people or those who wanted to become his people..
Answer? No other,' but HIM! Forget about your virtual reality, traditional faith,religion. or your modern light play or tubes!
Forget about what mainstream media and music industry trained you according QUEEN:"one flesh one bone" NO!!
Pray and become one with him and the temple of Christ. One spirit in Jesus the true one who created heaven and earth!
Just saw the thread outline.
Of cause he is!
If no bible quotes are wanted, in short.
The Father, Jesus the Son of God who is One with the Holy Spirit.
Who else than God himself in flesh in his Son Jesus could do it to save his people or those who wanted to become his people..
Answer? No other,' but HIM! Forget about your virtual reality, traditional faith,religion. or your modern light play or tubes!
Forget about what mainstream media and music industry trained you according QUEEN:"one flesh one bone" NO!!
Pray and become one with him and the temple of Christ. One spirit in Jesus the true one who created heaven and earth!
Z
Amen Amen!
But, sadly, many will not take your explanation.
They will say, "Oh, Jesus did not to be God to redeem His..er..God's people!"
Actually, yes He did. How could God redeem a people without coming Himself to redeem them? Did He not plan from eternity that He would come and redeem us, Save His people?
They would say...no.
But, sadly, many will not take your explanation.
They will say, "Oh, Jesus did not to be God to redeem His..er..God's people!"
Actually, yes He did. How could God redeem a people without coming Himself to redeem them? Did He not plan from eternity that He would come and redeem us, Save His people?
They would say...no.