IS SMOKING A SIN WORTHY OF DISFELLOWSHIPMENT?

[dcontroversal]

So here is what this thread is about: "getting drunk is a sin" -"well so is malice and love of money so who cares!!!!"

PS: Nice post dCONtroversal agreeing with a guy who after being shown the context of the verses mentioned you STILL decided to disregard it and go with your own manmade interpretation outta context

So what you just did is DISREGARD the context where Pharisees were accusing Jesus and the disciples for eating with unwashed hands according to their traditions.

You know this is so retarded and dumb, do you realize by your interpretation Jesus could be eating swine while He was on earth in the flesh and was supposed to keep the law?

This is absolute WILLING ignorance and IGNORING Scripture. Then again judging by the quality of the posts here I shouldn't be surprised, one verse here one verse there, lets throw out the context.

Once you disagree with Scripture thats when you know there is nothing more to be done.

This is retarded. I hope nobody who aint christian reads this topic. Once the Bible verses quoted in context don't work, and helping folks realize they've been scammed by someone taking something out of context gets you told off by someone who gets surprisingly salty for who knows what reason; THEN, you know its time to leave the topic, since clearly this topic has brought up some interesting facts and viewpoints. Its a done deal folks wrap it up.

Im gone, enjoy the smokes! i aint judging ya dont worry you sensitive ones.

You know....a few days ago I would have raked you over the coals for your vitriol and mouthy comments....and I suppose JESUS being GOD he can do as he pleases...after all he allowed his disciples to pick and eat wheat (corn) on the Sabbath....good thing he was not a legalistic religionist.......have a good day with your religion......

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You guys would laugh sometimes if you could hear me cheering out loud like I'm at a football game when one of you continues walking in the Spirit and doesn't get dragged down in a sack. And then it scares my dog and so there's cheering and barking. A d just now my mom yelled up, are you okay or is someone just walking in the Spirit again!? It doesn't even matter to me that she meant it car asticallh! Haha!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That word was supposed to be "sarcastically."

 

[Stephen63]

Can we stop abusing the whatever enters the mouth doesn't defile a man verse? This has got to stop, i dunno if this is just ignorance and pulling stuff outta context or if this is distortion on purpose.

The context is about eating with unwashed hands as the Pharisees and their customs would want Jesus and His disciples to do.

Why would God forbid getting drunk if nothing that enters a body defiles you? This is just pure retardation to use this verse to try to justify smoking or drinking.

Another verse I see ignorance or lies and distortion on purpose is the all things are lawful from Paul in Corinthians.
The context of this verse is food sacrificed unto idols and Paul is telling em just eat whatever you want from the store.

I just wanted to make this clear so the few who honestly didn't know the context can now go check it out and see the truth of the matter, don't let these guys pull a fast one on ya, cause they will try and try.
And to you guys who did know the context and still decided to use these verses in a way to justify smoking and drinking, shame on you. We all sin in one way or another, the difference is, do we admit it or do we make up excuses and lies for our sins.

**You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Issachar92 again.**

 

[Stephen63]

Shame on you to.
You assume that others are using verses out of context to excuse their sin.
Did God rebuke Noah for getting drunk?

No one here is using verses to justify their sin, and I'm sure most of us struggle with sin will acknowledge it and ask for help.
You seem to think when we do it's dealt with straight away. God deals with his children in the way he knows what is best for us.

News for you it's not.

You concentrate on smoking and drinking, and that's a sin, what about love of money, or fear God won't meet our for food that we can't afford to buy? What about needing a coffee first thing in the morning to start the day and the list could go on.

Shame on you

That same verse has been used over & over to justify it, I have seen it myself.

Okay, you guys wanna know why the harping on this sin?

I'll tell you..... NONE of the people that are gluttons, abuse caffeine, etc., use the scriptures to justify their sins, like these do.

There, I said it.

That's what makes them worse..... using God's word as an excuse. The others don't do that.

Any lame excuse in the world would have been better than saying "the Bible says it's alright."

 

[plainguy]

That same verse has been used over & over to justify it, I have seen it myself.

Okay, you guys wanna know why the harping on this sin?

I'll tell you..... NONE of the people that are gluttons, abuse caffeine, etc., use the scriptures to justify their sins, like these do.

There, I said it.

That's what makes them worse..... using God's word as an excuse. The others don't do that.

Any lame excuse in the world would have been better than saying "the Bible says it's alright."

Yeah but ... if they're still gluttons and/or abusers of caffeine (what's your morning cup quota for this being a sin or not ? ... I might need to adjust my intake),.... what difference would it make whether they try to justify it or not ? The irony of your post is you attempting to justify your own judgemental indignation... lol You're somethin' else ... lol

 

[mailmandan]

I once knew a man several years ago who attended a fundamental Baptist church and he mentioned that a friend of his had finally received Christ through faith and was very excited to come to church with him on Sunday. While they were standing outside the church before the service started, his friend was smoking a cigarette. As the Pastor of the church was walking by, the man who attended that church called out to the Pastor, but he ignored him. At first he thought maybe he just did not hear him. After the service, the Pastor came up to them and introduced himself to the man's friend. Afterwards, the man who attended church there mentioned to the Pastor that he tried to get his attention as he was walking in before the service started and the Pastor admitted that he ignored him because he was with someone who was smoking a cigarette.

 

[plainguy]

I once knew a man several years ago who attended a fundamental Baptist church and he mentioned that a friend of his had finally received Christ through faith and was very excited to come to church with him on Sunday. While they were standing outside the church before the service started, his friend was smoking a cigarette. As the Pastor of the church was walking by, the man who attended that church called out to the Pastor, but he ignored him. At first he thought maybe he just did not hear him. After the service, the Pastor came up to them and introduced himself to the man's friend. Afterwards, the man who attended church there mentioned to the Pastor that he tried to get his attention as he was walking in before the service started and the Pastor admitted that he ignored him because he was with someone who was smoking a cigarette.

Hopefully I'll be that holy one day

 

[mailmandan]

Hopefully I'll be that holy one day

Amen! That same Pastor fired his secretary because her husband divorced her and the Pastor did not want a 'divorcee' working for him. I guess it was embarrassing for him. What's truly sad is the woman did not want a divorce and was absolutely devastated when her husband left her.

 

[Stephen63]

Yeah but ... if they're still gluttons and/or abusers of caffeine (what's your morning cup quota for this being a sin or not ? ... I might need to adjust my intake),.... what difference would it make whether they try to justify it or not ? The irony of your post is you attempting to justify your own judgemental indignation... lol You're somethin' else ... lol

I don't try to justify my issues with the Bible. So don't "paint" me like the others that do.

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen! That same Pastor fired his secretary because her husband divorced her and the Pastor did not want a 'divorcee' working for him. I guess it was embarrassing for him. What's truly sad is the woman did not want a divorce and was absolutely devastated when her husband left her.

Going to be a lot of self righteous hypocritical religionists find out one day that they were not all that and a bag of chips......legalism is as bad as Satanism....

 

[Grace777x70]

The scriptures also talk about those that are slanderers of others and full of malice towards others - that these too we are not to associate with.

This would mean we would have to avoid some of the so-called pastors and others because of the way they slander others in the body of Christ that have a belief differently then they do on a subject. Or they deceitfully keep saying the opposite of what one is truly saying. This is called deceit.

This type of behavior is in the lists of the works of the flesh and is no different than living a homosexual lifestyle. All of them bring destruction of some form to us.

Such hypocrisy. It's a sign that we are a baby Christian no matter if we have been a Christian for 50 years, pastored a church for 30 years, can read the scriptures in Greek and Hebrew, go to church every day, pray in tongues for 5 hours a day...etc.

(These are all good things but are NOT representing any maturity in Christ.)

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1[/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

 

[plainguy]

Amen! That same Pastor fired his secretary because her husband divorced her and the Pastor did not want a 'divorcee' working for him. I guess it was embarrassing for him. What's truly sad is the woman did not want a divorce and was absolutely devastated when her husband left her.

Tragic. If ever there was a time when she needed understanding and compassion, it was then.

 

[Stephen63]

Going to be a lot of self righteous hypocritical religionists find out one day that they were not all that and a bag of chips......legalism is as bad as Satanism....

I agree..... & so are the self-righteous, conceited bigots that run around this forum telling everyone that doesn't agree with them how wicked, malicious, legalistic, & unholy they are.

 

[dcontroversal]

Tragic. If ever there was a time when she needed understanding and compassion, it was then.

I know and to be frank I hate that crap.......Churches with dress codes, legislated rules, racism etc.......I heard a deacon one time say to the preacher that if a black man walked in they were to immediately dismiss services.........makes me want to spew....so glad Jesus was not a legalistic religionist..........I wonder how many people have been turned away or off by that same attitude of that preacher mentioned above........

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree..... & so are the self-righteous, conceited bigots that run around these forum & telling everyone that doesn't agree with them how wicked, malicious, legalistic, & unholy they are.

You know....I apologized to you the other day, have tried real hard to change my approach and be softer in my approach to everyone and did not direct my post at anyone in particular....so.....I am not going to condescend to your level and fire back.....you should really examine yourself.....

 

[Dude653]

They only church I have heard even use the term disfellowship is Jehovah's Witness which is a cult

 

[mailmandan]

I know and to be frank I hate that crap.......Churches with dress codes, legislated rules

That church actually had a dress code: Men must wear suits and women must wear long dresses. That church also had a school (Kindergarten - 12th grade) and the students had to sign an agreement that they would not go to the movies and if someone caught them at a movie theatre, they could be expelled. Women were also not allowed to pick up their child at school (actually walk into the school at that church) to pick up their child unless they were wearing a long dress.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That same verse has been used over & over to justify it, I have seen it myself.

Okay, you guys wanna know why the harping on this sin?

I'll tell you..... NONE of the people that are gluttons, abuse caffeine, etc., use the scriptures to justify their sins, like these do.

There, I said it.

That's what makes them worse..... using God's word as an excuse. The others don't do that.

Any lame excuse in the world would have been better than saying "the Bible says it's alright."

Well then you should thank God you're not like these other men who are so sneaky regarding their sin.

 

[Stephen63]

Has anyone noticed that it's been mentioned by some that do smoke that they also drink? I'm not condemning those that do, but what I'll think you'll find is those that allow "questionable" things in their lives allow a lot of questionable things in their lives, such as, for example, light cussing.

My point? Those that abide in the so-called "gray areas" will unwittingly cross the black line & keep saying "I'm alright".