Is the Devil bound right now...?

[popeye]

And how would this pertain to the topic?
If there is any question it should be of your position. You are the one that has accepted a false teaching. You have not given a shred of evidence that premillennialism has ever been the teaching of scripture.
No Church from Pentecost to the time of the Reformation has ever held a premillennial view - Orthodox, Oriential Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church. It is an express heresy of historical Christianity. None of the Reformers held this view, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox and Wesley. No Protestant denonimation of any stripe held this view until the early 19th century. It was begun in England with Darby with Miller and Scofield in America. The only group that holds this view today, as far as I can tell, are the Seventh-Day Adventists, who developed from the Millerites and the Evangelicals who tie themselves to Dallas Theological Seminary where Lindsey, Walvoord and Ryrie hale and the followers of Hagee and Impe.
That hardly has the historical understanding of scripture from the beginning without change and being preserved by the Holy Spirit. What it does exemplify is a man made theory imposed upon scripture because of misunderstanding/interpretation.

Anyone can hold this view, but it cannot be claimed as part of historical Christianity. It is purely a modern man made/developed theory imposed on scripture.

You don't even realize you are declaring you received your doctrine,not from the word of God,but from the men you exalt as flawless.

That explains your constant reference to those you deify,and those you demonized.

With out man and the deification thereof you have no doctrine.

 

[popeye]

Its so easy...but none of you pretribs ever do it...

I just did. What does that make you and your statement?

 

[popeye]

Me again VCO,

Here is a silly comparison as to how Bowman, Cassian and amils interpret scripture:

See Dick and Jane. Here is their dog Spot. See Spot run. Run Spot run!

Scripture: The man's name is Dick and the woman's name is Jane. They have a dog named Spot who is running.

Amils: Dick and Jane are not their real names and are in fact not even real people. Spot is not a dog, but some other animal and its name is not even mentioned.

They must have been a real pain in kindergarten.

Well there you go again.

You consistently try to understand the deep things of primmer exegesis without any knowledge of the Greek language.

If you take the word "spot" in the Greek......

 

[popeye]

What early church?
Rome?
Clement?
Ignatious?

No dodging.,tell is what the early church is,and who were it's officers/leaders/contributors?

Still waiting cassian.....

 

[popeye]

What beginning?
Who?
Where?

What one truth? To who?

Still waiting cassian....

 

[popeye]

I would like a statement of faith from bowman,valiant,and cassian.

Particularly in the person and deity of Jesus,and the concept of Jesus receiving worship,and exalted of the Father as God ,as declared in the book of hebrews

I can eagerly and readily declare what I believe according to the word of God.

Is ya'lls outside the Christian faith?

Should be no problem clearing the air if ya'll aren't ashamed of Jesus.

 

[popeye]

αφορωντες εις τον της πιστεως αρχηγον και τελειωτην ιησουν ος αντι της προκειμενης αυτω χαρας υπεμεινεν σταυρον αισχυνης καταφρονησας εν δεξια τε του θρονου του θεου κεκαθικεν

More craftiness.
Slippery indeed

This forum is in English.
Hiding,craftiness,slipperiness,is not of God.

 

[Cassian]

You don't even realize you are declaring you received your doctrine,not from the word of God,but from the men you exalt as flawless.

That explains your constant reference to those you deify,and those you demonized.

With out man and the deification thereof you have no doctrine.

Why is it that your statements always self convict.

I would think the Apostles received the word of God and then gave it to the early Church as they received it. I know you like to demonize the Apostles and the Holy Spirit but you have consistently shown two things. It is actually blasphemy to accord the Work of the Holy Spirit as that being of Satan. You have ultimate faith in yourself and your own intellect and elevate your personal interpretations to a higher level than the Holy Spirit. You cannot even determine which of the many variations of the theory could be correct, even if it was actually a scriptural teaching. The same goes for all the other false teachings within sola scriptura milieu.

You hold a man made false teaching, even though it is based on a total misunderstanding of scripture like any other false teachings.
And you have yet to show what I have stated is of men, rather than the Holy Spirit. Which men, other than the apostles.

You make empty assertions and assume they are factual.

I'll await your evidence

 

[Cassian]

Still waiting cassian.....

Be a Berean and check it out. It is all historical fact. I showed you where the false teaching of Chiliasm originated during the second and third centuries. After it was declared heretical at the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople 381 it has no real history with some writing in the west during the Middle Ages. It does not exist again until Darby in England and Miller in the US. It is not popularized until the mid twentieth century.

You seem the type of person who thinks the revelation was given in the 20th century in written form. The problem you have is that man has had a virtual field day with the Book called the Bible and developed hundreds of theories that never saw the light of day until their exposition. Hardly Gospel Truth from the beginning, Oh, the beginning is Pentecost, the beginning of the Messianic Age, the Church Age, the Church Christ established and is guarded and preserved by the Holy Spirit. Preserved a unified revelation that is unchanged from the beginning, just as He promised.

You have discarded the Holy Spirit and substituted men, including yourself, to develop ideas from a Book called the Bible. To hang on to such an obvious perversion of scripture that has a very clear modern origin is foolish.

I can keep asking for evidence but that is really rhetorical since there is no evidence that scripture ever had a teaching such as premillennialism, and dispensationalism as given by the Apostles.

 

[popeye]

Be a Berean and check it out. It is all historical fact. I showed you where the false teaching of Chiliasm originated during the second and third centuries. After it was declared heretical at the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople 381 it has no real history with some writing in the west during the Middle Ages. It does not exist again until Darby in England and Miller in the US. It is not popularized until the mid twentieth century.

You seem the type of person who thinks the revelation was given in the 20th century in written form. The problem you have is that man has had a virtual field day with the Book called the Bible and developed hundreds of theories that never saw the light of day until their exposition. Hardly Gospel Truth from the beginning, Oh, the beginning is Pentecost, the beginning of the Messianic Age, the Church Age, the Church Christ established and is guarded and preserved by the Holy Spirit. Preserved a unified revelation that is unchanged from the beginning, just as He promised.

You have discarded the Holy Spirit and substituted men, including yourself, to develop ideas from a Book called the Bible. To hang on to such an obvious perversion of scripture that has a very clear modern origin is foolish.

I can keep asking for evidence but that is really rhetorical since there is no evidence that scripture ever had a teaching such as premillennialism, and dispensationalism as given by the Apostles.

Once again you proclaim your reliance on men of the past,while demonizing anyone with the ability to see the clear wording of scripture.

You accuse anyone that challenges your deification of men(Catholics no doubt) with no brainer clear wording of both mat and rev.

Your entire stance on end times rests on your ascribed infallibility of dead men.

That's why you craftily calculate every sentence to mask your strict adherence to catholic catechism.

 

[popeye]

Why is it that your statements always self convict.

I would think the Apostles received the word of God and then gave it to the early Church as they received it. I know you like to demonize the Apostles and the Holy Spirit but you have consistently shown two things. It is actually blasphemy to accord the Work of the Holy Spirit as that being of Satan. You have ultimate faith in yourself and your own intellect and elevate your personal interpretations to a higher level than the Holy Spirit. You cannot even determine which of the many variations of the theory could be correct, even if it was actually a scriptural teaching. The same goes for all the other false teachings within sola scriptura milieu.

You hold a man made false teaching, even though it is based on a total misunderstanding of scripture like any other false teachings.
And you have yet to show what I have stated is of men, rather than the Holy Spirit. Which men, other than the apostles.

You make empty assertions and assume they are factual.

I'll await your evidence

It is actually blasphemy to accord the Work of the Holy Spirit as that being of Satan. You have ultimate faith in yourself and your own intellect and elevate your personal interpretations to a higher level than the Holy Spirit. .

Well there it is. You just showed all of us here what spirit you are operating of.

You are claiming for me to go against your catholic catechism is to go against the apostles and the HS.

You are in fact ONCE AGAIN,AMAZINGLY,deifying those catholics that you ascribe as co-equal with the HS.

You are in fact a heretic and a deceiver.

 

[popeye]

Apparently we will not be receiving a statement of faith from any of the 3 that were challenged as to their faith.

I will assume their faith is outside the apostles creed.

 

[popeye]

Be a Berean and check it out. It is all historical fact. I showed you where the false teaching of Chiliasm originated during the second and third centuries. After it was declared heretical at the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople 381 it has no real history with some writing in the west during the Middle Ages. It does not exist again until Darby in England and Miller in the US. It is not popularized until the mid twentieth century.

You seem the type of person who thinks the revelation was given in the 20th century in written form. The problem you have is that man has had a virtual field day with the Book called the Bible and developed hundreds of theories that never saw the light of day until their exposition. Hardly Gospel Truth from the beginning, Oh, the beginning is Pentecost, the beginning of the Messianic Age, the Church Age, the Church Christ established and is guarded and preserved by the Holy Spirit. Preserved a unified revelation that is unchanged from the beginning, just as He promised.

You have discarded the Holy Spirit and substituted men, including yourself, to develop ideas from a Book called the Bible. To hang on to such an obvious perversion of scripture that has a very clear modern origin is foolish.

I can keep asking for evidence but that is really rhetorical since there is no evidence that scripture ever had a teaching such as premillennialism, and dispensationalism as given by the Apostles.

I showed you where the false teaching of Chiliasm originated during the second and third centuries.

Uh,what you have shown is your ability to label all of the body of Christ that challenges a non essential of the faith as satan.

Rather sick position my friend,and reveals the demonic nature of your false investment in men of rome that burned believers alive,along with their writings.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You have discarded the Holy Spirit and substituted men, including yourself, to develop ideas from a Book called the Bible.

The Bible that you claim is a perversion of scripture says:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim.3:16)

"Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.[SUP]
(1 Tim.4:1)
[/SUP]
If you are not believing in the Bible as the true word of God, then you don't have any right to quote scripture, at all. You and those who believe as you do are apart of the problem of the distortion of the truth of God's word in these last days. We should not be surprised though because it was prophesied by Paul and Peter that this would happen. No wonder you are so messed up in your beliefs! So, instead of trusting in the word of God, you trust in what amillennialism teaches. This explains a lot as to why no one can contend for the truth of God's word with you and that because you don't believe the Bible to be the word of God. Until you realize that you have believed a lie and that the Bible is the true word of God, then you will continue in your deceived state and will only find out after it is too late. I will continue to pray for you, Bowman and Valiant that God would remove the veil so that you can see the truth.

 

[popeye]

A very common claim of many other men over time. Yet in every case what they supposedly got from God turned out to be false. I know it is false because God does not give direct revelation to individuals for private interpretation. Your lack of understanding scripture is obvious.

The Holy Spirit gave man ALL of His revelation via the Apostles for this Messianic Age. There is nothing about premillennialism, dispensationalism, or an earthly reign that was given to the Apostles in the beginning. There is nothing in the history of historical Christianity that the Church has ever believed in these teachings.
It is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit to guide and guard Christ's Body and to preserve the revelation entrusted to it until Christ comes again.

On the other hand history also shows that the modern versions began with Miller, Darby and Scofield and became popularized only recently. They are all man made versions and they are still in flux, probably never to actually have any kind of unity. Hardly the unity of the Gospel from the beginning, preserved by the Holy Spirit. Your opinion/interpretation is just one of those many that exists today.

Another issue is that within the sola scriptura milieu most interpreters do not accept the theories either. So, for those who use the same inquiry method there is no unity either. Hardly Gospel Truth, the same from the beginning.

Copy and paste your quote into google search;

It is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit to guide and guard Christ's Body and to preserve the revelation entrusted to it until Christ comes again.

It takes you here;
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Transmission of Divine Revelation
bingo! The operative spirit behind the poster.
cassian the catholic,demonizing the body of christ over non essentials.

 

[Cassian]

Once again you proclaim your reliance on men of the past,while demonizing anyone with the ability to see the clear wording of scripture.

You accuse anyone that challenges your deification of men(Catholics no doubt) with no brainer clear wording of both mat and rev.

Your entire stance on end times rests on your ascribed infallibility of dead men.

That's why you craftily calculate every sentence to mask your strict adherence to catholic catechism.

My entire stance rests on the Revelation of Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings who rules with His Saints in the Church.

What dead men are you referring to, the Apostles? I know of no other men involved in receiving the original revelation.
I don't adhere to any catholic catechism either since I am NOT Catholic. I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, of whom Christ is the Head and enlivened by the Holy Spirit.

I don't hold to any theory devised by man. Not a single one has ever succeeded in changing the original revelation of the Holy Spirit or the text that bears witness to that ONCE given Truth.

However, in your ballpark, man is supreme ruler beginning with Luther and Calvin and can go right down to the present day of Van Summers and his New Revelation. How quaint, a more and better adaptation than the vision of Smith and the Latter Day Saints of the Mid 19th century. Fifty years from now man will claim another revision and upgrade of revelation.

Yoo are lock step with the age of man spoken of latter times.

 

[popeye]

The Bible that you claim is a perversion of scripture says:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim.3:16)

"Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.[SUP]
(1 Tim.4:1)
[/SUP]
If you are not believing in the Bible as the true word of God, then you don't have any right to quote scripture, at all. You and those who believe as you do are apart of the problem of the distortion of the truth of God's word in these last days. We should not be surprised though because it was prophesied by Paul and Peter that this would happen. No wonder you are so messed up in your beliefs! So, instead of trusting in the word of God, you trust in what amillennialism teaches. This explains a lot as to why no one can contend for the truth of God's word with you and that because you don't believe the Bible to be the word of God. Until you realize that you have believed a lie and that the Bible is the true word of God, then you will continue in your deceived state and will only find out after it is too late. I will continue to pray for you, Bowman and Valiant that God would remove the veil so that you can see the truth.

It is finally coming out.......the operative spirit of these people. They demonize believers over non essentials. End times birthpangs of persecution over anyone with the ability to read a bible for themselves.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Uh,what you have shown is your ability to label all of the body of Christ that challenges a non essential of the faith as satan.

Rather sick position my friend,and reveals the demonic nature of your false investment in men of rome that burned believers alive,along with their writings.

Hello Popeye,

On a couple of separate posts, Cassian has admitted that he considers the Bible as a perversion, therefore the scriptures that we quote to him have no meaning, which is why he and others seem to ignore any scripture that is presented. Therefore, you are wasting your time with trying to convince someone who doesn't recognize the Bible as the word of God. He's brain-washed! It's like talking to a recording. He can only reply back with what he has been taught. I think everyone here has gone well above the call in trying to proclaim the truth to him, Bowman and Valiant. They are going to have to find out the truth for themselves by personally going through everything they haven't believed in. Hopefully they will recognize it when it is happening and not continue to hang on to these beliefs.

 

[popeye]

My entire stance rests on the Revelation of Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings who rules with His Saints in the Church.

What dead men are you referring to, the Apostles? I know of no other men involved in receiving the original revelation.
I don't adhere to any catholic catechism either since I am NOT Catholic. I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, of whom Christ is the Head and enlivened by the Holy Spirit.

I don't hold to any theory devised by man. Not a single one has ever succeeded in changing the original revelation of the Holy Spirit or the text that bears witness to that ONCE given Truth.

However, in your ballpark, man is supreme ruler beginning with Luther and Calvin and can go right down to the present day of Van Summers and his New Revelation. How quaint, a more and better adaptation than the vision of Smith and the Latter Day Saints of the Mid 19th century. Fifty years from now man will claim another revision and upgrade of revelation.

Yoo are lock step with the age of man spoken of latter times.

I don't adhere to any catholic catechism either since I am NOT Catholic. I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, of whom Christ is the Head and enlivened by the Holy Spirit.

That quote is insane.


You are busted.

 

[popeye]

Hello Popeye,

On a couple of separate posts, Cassian has admitted that he considers the Bible as a perversion, therefore the scriptures that we quote to him have no meaning, which is why he and others seem to ignore any scripture that is presented. Therefore, you are wasting your time with trying to convince someone who doesn't recognize the Bible as the word of God. He's brain-washed! It's like talking to a recording. He can only reply back with what he has been taught. I think everyone here has gone well above the call in trying to proclaim the truth to him, Bowman and Valiant. They are going to have to find out the truth for themselves by personally going through everything they haven't believed in. Hopefully they will recognize it when it is happening and not continue to hang on to these beliefs.

Woah,

It is worse than I thought.

I was wondering why that spirit was familiar with the JW's. LOL