Is there an Unpardonable Sin?

[DeeperStill]

Is there an unpardonable sin?

Some Christians who love the lord believe there is no such thing as an unpardonable sin. They say that for God not to forgive a certain sin goes against the very nature of God. "who forgives all our sins"

Psalm 103:3


QUOTE Psalm 103:3 (New King James Version)
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,


They say that to say there is an unpardonable sin is to deny the free, abundant grace God wants to give every person. But the word clearly says


QUOTE " And i tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men , but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come. " (Matthew 12:31:32)


From the above scripture we can understand three things.
1. All sin will be forgiven except one.
2. Blasphemy is equated with speaking against the Holy Spirit
3.Such Blasphemy is an eternal sin that has no forgiveness in this age or the age to come.

It is clear that this is a very serious sin.


First off, Lets discuss what the unpardonable sin IS NOT
the unpardonable, or unforgivable sin is not the "sin which leads to death." mentioned in 1 John 5:16 which says


QUOTE 1 John 5:16 (New King James Version)
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.


This sin spoken of here in the above verse; which is a sin that leads to death, would be a sin such as Alcoholism which totally destroys a persons liver and leads to death... While this person can come to the lord and be saved, they die because of the consequences of the sins. This could be drug addicts... even murderers in prison who have to pay for their crimes by death... Yet... they are born again of the Spirit and shall live eternal lives with Jesus.

So there are sins which lead to death, but this sin is not the unpardonable sin.

The unpardonable sin is not a s*xual sin

The Corinthian church was full of converted Adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals who once had lived in immorality, but now were washed and sanctified in the blood of Jesus (1 cor 6:11)

The unpardonable sin is not suicide or murder

Paul himself had been a murderer and if a person commits suicide, Gods word clearly says in Romans


QUOTE Romans 8:38 (New King James Version)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


The unpardonable sin is not grieving or quenching the Holy Spirit by a believer

1 Thessalonians 5:19, Paul exhorts us not to quench the Spirit. Eph 4:30 tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit, but as Christians, we sometimes do both and they are forgiven because they are under the blood of Jesus which washes us from all our sins


QUOTE 1 John 1:7 (New King James Version)
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.



Simply put, the unpardonable sin cannot be committed by any believer

Now, in context of the scripture, lets take a look at exactly WHAT IS THE UNPARDONABLE SIN


QUOTE Matthew 12:22 (New King James Version)
22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and[a] mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said,Could this be the Son of David? 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub,[a] the ruler of the demons.


The Pharisees said He was doing His mighty work by the power of satan, rather than God.

The religious leaders of the day had reached such a low state of spirtual decay that they called evil good and good evil. They refused to accept that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Their sin then , was the repeated rejection of Jesus as the Christ until they no longer were able to accept Him for who He was.

Now, the Word of God clearly teaches us that it is the Holy Spirit who brings truth to men. The Holy Spirit is the God ordained vehicle by which every man comes to know Jesus. The Holy Spirit is God's instrument of revelation of God to man, and, the Holy Spirit alone enables man to know the truth when they see it.

So.... the Pharisees rejected God's only vehicle , the only means God uses to direct them to the truth of who Jesus was. Doing this, cut them off from God's grace.

To continually reject the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and to leave that person outside of God's grace. To continually reject the Holy Spirit is to reject the message which the Holy Spirit brings... The Gospel of Jesus Christ which is able to save us.
To reject the message is to reject repentance. To reject repentance is to reject salvation. If we reject God's salvation enough times, we can reach a state where we are beyond being reachable by the Gospel message... we've sealed our fate...

But God is longsuffering and desires that none would perish. It is accounted unto all man once to die. We have this one life to live and this one life in which we can turn to Jesus or reject Him.

So.. to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit cannot be done by a believer. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to reject the vehicle of salvation.. it is to reject the saving Grace which Jesus died upon the cross to give to all mankind.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is the only sin which leaves one outside of Gods grace.

its rejecting Jesus

DS.

 

[starfield]

Amen! I agree.

 

[Baptistrw]

Is there an unpardonable sin?

Some Christians who love the lord believe there is no such thing as an unpardonable sin. They say that for God not to forgive a certain sin goes against the very nature of God. "who forgives all our sins"

Psalm 103:3


QUOTE Psalm 103:3 (New King James Version)
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,


They say that to say there is an unpardonable sin is to deny the free, abundant grace God wants to give every person. But the word clearly says


QUOTE " And i tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men , but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come. " (Matthew 12:31:32)


From the above scripture we can understand three things.
1. All sin will be forgiven except one.
2. Blasphemy is equated with speaking against the Holy Spirit
3.Such Blasphemy is an eternal sin that has no forgiveness in this age or the age to come.

It is clear that this is a very serious sin.


First off, Lets discuss what the unpardonable sin IS NOT
the unpardonable, or unforgivable sin is not the "sin which leads to death." mentioned in 1 John 5:16 which says


QUOTE 1 John 5:16 (New King James Version)
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.


This sin spoken of here in the above verse; which is a sin that leads to death, would be a sin such as Alcoholism which totally destroys a persons liver and leads to death... While this person can come to the lord and be saved, they die because of the consequences of the sins. This could be drug addicts... even murderers in prison who have to pay for their crimes by death... Yet... they are born again of the Spirit and shall live eternal lives with Jesus.

So there are sins which lead to death, but this sin is not the unpardonable sin.

The unpardonable sin is not a s*xual sin

The Corinthian church was full of converted Adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals who once had lived in immorality, but now were washed and sanctified in the blood of Jesus (1 cor 6:11)

The unpardonable sin is not suicide or murder

Paul himself had been a murderer and if a person commits suicide, Gods word clearly says in Romans


QUOTE Romans 8:38 (New King James Version)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


The unpardonable sin is not grieving or quenching the Holy Spirit by a believer

1 Thessalonians 5:19, Paul exhorts us not to quench the Spirit. Eph 4:30 tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit, but as Christians, we sometimes do both and they are forgiven because they are under the blood of Jesus which washes us from all our sins


QUOTE 1 John 1:7 (New King James Version)
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.



Simply put, the unpardonable sin cannot be committed by any believer

Now, in context of the scripture, lets take a look at exactly WHAT IS THE UNPARDONABLE SIN


QUOTE Matthew 12:22 (New King James Version)
22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and[a] mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said,Could this be the Son of David? 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub,[a] the ruler of the demons.


The Pharisees said He was doing His mighty work by the power of satan, rather than God.

The religious leaders of the day had reached such a low state of spirtual decay that they called evil good and good evil. They refused to accept that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Their sin then , was the repeated rejection of Jesus as the Christ until they no longer were able to accept Him for who He was.

Now, the Word of God clearly teaches us that it is the Holy Spirit who brings truth to men. The Holy Spirit is the God ordained vehicle by which every man comes to know Jesus. The Holy Spirit is God's instrument of revelation of God to man, and, the Holy Spirit alone enables man to know the truth when they see it.

So.... the Pharisees rejected God's only vehicle , the only means God uses to direct them to the truth of who Jesus was. Doing this, cut them off from God's grace.

To continually reject the Holy Spirit is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and to leave that person outside of God's grace. To continually reject the Holy Spirit is to reject the message which the Holy Spirit brings... The Gospel of Jesus Christ which is able to save us.
To reject the message is to reject repentance. To reject repentance is to reject salvation. If we reject God's salvation enough times, we can reach a state where we are beyond being reachable by the Gospel message... we've sealed our fate...

But God is longsuffering and desires that none would perish. It is accounted unto all man once to die. We have this one life to live and this one life in which we can turn to Jesus or reject Him.

So.. to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit cannot be done by a believer. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to reject the vehicle of salvation.. it is to reject the saving Grace which Jesus died upon the cross to give to all mankind.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is the only sin which leaves one outside of Gods grace.

its rejecting Jesus

DS.

Good job. Agree 100%.

 

[daddycat]

i disagree with everything you said!

nah, not really, but this thread needed some variety

 

[carpetmanswife]

You just got in a hurry daddycat...give it time

 

[wattie]

Yeah people forget that when Jesus was talking about the unpardonable sin, he wasn't talking to saved people.. but to the Pharisees. So if He is talking Pharisees.. unsaved.. how can you apply it to saved people?

Just like when you see verses in the books to different churches from Paul.. most of the verses are targeted at an entire congregation. Gotta look at time, place, who is speaking to who.. and then you can determine real meaning.

Ya I agree 100 percent with the opening thread.

 

[BLC]

Why do some not understand what is taught concerning the body of Christ, with Jesus Christ as head? There is one body but many members that make up that one body and Jesus Christ is the head of the body. We, who believe, are the members that make up that one body on the earth. We are members one of another that make up His body, flesh and bones, right here on planet earth (Eph 5:30). We are in Christ' stead (2Cor 5:20). Jesus said that you (all disciples that make up His body) will do greater works then I have done (John 14:12). We have been ordained and created unto good works (Eph 2:10), the work of the ministry, which includes not just the office holders in the church, but every believer and member of Christ's body.

Christ is building His church, the body of Christ. That church and body represents the household of God (Eph 2:19) and has a work to do on the earth. As they perform that work that God has ordained and called them to do, the gates of hell will try to prevail against it, as it did when Christ was here (Mt 16:18). In (Mt 10:25) Jesus says something very interesting; 'It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub,how much more shall they call them of his household?' If the work of God that Christ did when He was here was attributed as a work of the devil by the religious crowd, how much more will this same crowd attribute the work of the master's house, the church and body of Christ, as a work of Beelzebub? If we will do greater works then Christ did, then we shall be called more than Beelzebub.

Don't take this personal but the scriptures teach, 'Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did they the false prophets … but rejoice and be exceedingly glad when they speak all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake' (Luke 6:26, Mt 5:11,12). Jesus Christ was crucified for the work that He did and many of the disciples were martyred. What will happen to those, in God's household, that do the work of God in the days that we live in? Do you know any Spirit-filled believers that are continually being called all manner of evil because of the work that they do or have done in and through Christ? Jesus Christ was considered to be evil because He healed people on the Sabbath and forgave men their sins. They accused Him because he was gracious and did not condemn or judge others. They wanted Him to stone the adulterous women, but He would not. He was also accused of being a sinner because He was a friend and hung around publicans and sinners (Mt 11:19). Do you know anyone that condemns and judges other believers because of the company they keep?

If someone wants to consider the work that Christ's body, the church, is doing to be evil in any manner and attack and discredit that work in any way, have they committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit? Is it not the Holy Spirit that works in the members of Christ's body to will and to do God's good pleasure (Phil 2:13, Eph 1:5,9)? Do I, as a believer, want to even come close to calling a work of God something other than what it is and has been ordained of God? Selah

 

[wattie]

Why do some not understand what is taught concerning the body of Christ, with Jesus Christ as head? There is one body but many members that make up that one body and Jesus Christ is the head of the body. We, who believe, are the members that make up that one body on the earth. We are members one of another that make up His body, flesh and bones, right here on planet earth (Eph 5:30). We are in Christ' stead (2Cor 5:20). Jesus said that you (all disciples that make up His body) will do greater works then I have done (John 14:12). We have been ordained and created unto good works (Eph 2:10), the work of the ministry, which includes not just the office holders in the church, but every believer and member of Christ's body.

Christ is building His church, the body of Christ. That church and body represents the household of God (Eph 2:19) and has a work to do on the earth. As they perform that work that God has ordained and called them to do, the gates of hell will try to prevail against it, as it did when Christ was here (Mt 16:18). In (Mt 10:25) Jesus says something very interesting; 'It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub,how much more shall they call them of his household?' If the work of God that Christ did when He was here was attributed as a work of the devil by the religious crowd, how much more will this same crowd attribute the work of the master's house, the church and body of Christ, as a work of Beelzebub? If we will do greater works then Christ did, then we shall be called more than Beelzebub.

Don't take this personal but the scriptures teach, 'Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did they the false prophets … but rejoice and be exceedingly glad when they speak all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake' (Luke 6:26, Mt 5:11,12). Jesus Christ was crucified for the work that He did and many of the disciples were martyred. What will happen to those, in God's household, that do the work of God in the days that we live in? Do you know any Spirit-filled believers that are continually being called all manner of evil because of the work that they do or have done in and through Christ? Jesus Christ was considered to be evil because He healed people on the Sabbath and forgave men their sins. They accused Him because he was gracious and did not condemn or judge others. They wanted Him to stone the adulterous women, but He would not. He was also accused of being a sinner because He was a friend and hung around publicans and sinners (Mt 11:19). Do you know anyone that condemns and judges other believers because of the company they keep?

If someone wants to consider the work that Christ's body, the church, is doing to be evil in any manner and attack and discredit that work in any way, have they committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit? Is it not the Holy Spirit that works in the members of Christ's body to will and to do God's good pleasure (Phil 2:13, Eph 1:5,9)? Do I, as a believer, want to even come close to calling a work of God something other than what it is and has been ordained of God? Selah

Well, thing is there is a view from scripture that the body of Christ is like.. the pub.. or the school.. or the post office.. like a body of water

What I mean by this is.. the body of Christ becomes multiple independent assemblies or congregations.. just like the post office or the bar.. when we speak of the bar or the post office.. we don't mean the 'universal post office' or 'the universal bar'... or all the employees within all the post offices or bars.. but to the local group down the road.

Another illustration.. Jesus, in Revelation says Hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.. churches plural.. bibles that are honest have it as not one universal church.. but churches plural.

Bibles that are honest also have the Ephesians verse.. 'there is one body.. one faith.. one baptism..' with 'there is' being italicised as an insertion that was not there in teh original Greek text for the NT.

So it could just be read.. 'one body, one faith, one baptism'.. in reference to teh independent body at Ephesus.. not a universal body. Another reason why it would be in reference to the body at Ephesus at not all believers combined.. is because the verses about unity in the book of Ephesians are directed at that assembly in particular.

Christ is head of the church as the husband is head of the wife.. have you ever heard of a universal husband or a universal wife? No! This is standing as singular representing multiple... an institution of the church.. as multiple assemblies.

When Paul is addressing teh church at Corinth and says 'ye are the body of Christ'.. that is referring to the church at Corinth! Not all believers combined or all churches combined.

A member of the body of Christ is a saved person, baptised, in a local church.. a member of the body of Christ is not an entire church.. like with the example some give of the church of Asia.. being the arm.. the church of America being the leg.. the church of Africa being the stomach etc... a member is a inidivdual, saved baptised believer.

Did you know that King James ordered the old eccelessiastical words be kept out of the KJV and replaced with the word 'church'?

Old English bibles before the KJV had congregation and assembly instead of the word church.. for the body of Christ. So 'the body of Christ is teh church' would have been.. 'the body of Christ is the congregation/assembly'

Also.. the word 'the' before body of Christ.. is not in the Greek text.. there is not definite article 'the'

So.. the body of Christ.. can be seen as 'a' body of Christ.. like a body of water..

It is not the literal body of Christ.. but body in terms of assembly/group/congregation.

Anyway

Like I typed before.. when Paul was writing books of the New Testament.. often he was was addressing entire church families.. not just individual believers.. and so the application can sometimes be for an entire church family and not the individual. An example of this is in reference to talking about unity in the body of Christ.. this is not unity in ever believer all over the world.. but unity in the particular congregation being addressed to.

 

[loveschild]

i disagree with everything you said!

nah, not really, but this thread needed some variety

Ha ha ha........................

 

[CloudStrife]

Did the pharisees blaspheme the Holy Spirit or was Jesus warning them about blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

 

[wattie]

They were blaspheming the Holy Spirit by rejecting salvation from the Holy Spirit.. rejecting who Jesus is. So He was warning them to desist from doing it I think and also telling them not to do in the future.

Jesus to the Pharisees:

Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man and then he will spoil his house.

Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

So

1-- This is the Pharisees Jesus is talking to.. not everyone.. and not christians
2-- They are rejecting who Jesus is by claiming He must be Satan to be able to cast out demons
3 --Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.. He is the one who indwells people at salvation, so they are rejecting salvation..

The only way I can figure this is that they are rejecting salvation from the Holy Spirit.

A saved person - to become saved.. has done a few things that these verses cannot be applied to:

They believed Jesus is God by asking Him for salvation
They accepted salvation through the Holy Spirit-- they are indwelled!

So how do you apply this verse about Pharisees rejecting salvation, believing Jesus to be ruler of the demons.. to saved people?

 

[DeeperStill]

They definitely rejected the vehicle by which men are drawn into saving grace in Jesus the Christ.

No man can come to the Father unless he is first DRAWN by the Holy Spirit.

If you reject Him who draws, you stand outside the grace of God who forgives all sin. If you remain in your sin , unregenerate by the cleansing blood of Jesus, then you are forever and eternally condemned.

T

 

[MahogonySnail]

It isn't unbelief in Christ because Jesus said a person could blaspheme the Father or the Son, and still be forgiven. But not the Spirit.

Look up the meaning of blasphemy, look up some good bible commentaries. There's no reason why anyone has to be wrong about this.

I don't get what's so difficult about understanding what the unpardonable sin is. It isn't unbelief in Christ, that is pardonable (otherwise, how could anyone become saved? ), it isn't anything other than speaking gross evil of the Spirit of God which is precisely what the Pharisees did by claiming Christ used the power of the devil to work miracles. Nothing more, nothing less.

That they were unbelievers is already a given and a side-issue. Other unbelievers and Pharisees did not blaspheme in this way and would have went on to become Christians.

These blasphemeres were so reprobate and evil...there was no hope for them. This is a different class of unbeliever altogether. They don't just reject Christ, they actively oppose and attack God's Spirit. Throughout the old testament God deals harshly with anyone who abuses His Spirit. I don't know why, maybe because it is who God is, it is His heart and innermost part. Also consider in Acts, when those two people lied to God's Spirit and fell down dead.

 

[DeeperStill]

You said in your post, and I repeat it here..........( I don't get what's so difficult about understanding what the unpardonable sin is. It isn't unbelief in Christ, that is pardonable )

Does that really make sense? How can unbelief in Jesus be pardonable? Does Jesus allow unbelievers into the kingdom of God? Does Jesus say " Oh what the heck, It doesn't matter if you believe in me, Im going to save you anyway" ???

No!!! A person who rejects Jesus is indeed committing a sin which will never be forgiven If they die in unbelief. Every sin is forgiven the person who repents and comes to Jesus in faith alone for their regeneration.... ie Salvation.

Anyone who does not, will be condemned and be unforgiven until they do. Jesus even said If you do not take part in this, you shall have none of me. And Peter then Said, Then wash all of me. This was spoken of in John chapter 13 when Jesus was washing the disciples feet. He told them that He was washing them fully ( for remission of sins ) but they needed to wash daily. (meaning a partial washing of sins committed after they are born again)

without the washing of Jesus.. Without him making our garments white as snow... We shall have none of him and die in our sins.

That is the unpardoned sin.. Rejection of Jesus Christ

T

 

[MahogonySnail]

The unpardonable sin implies that it will never be forgiven, ever in the future. Not in this life or the next, as scripture says. It means there is no room left for repentance, the person's fate is sealed for eternity. That is why the unpardonable sin carries so much fear associated with it.

Given this, if a person was once an unbeliever, then becomes a Christian (believes)..you are basically saying that they cannot be forgiven for their past belief!!

That is the logic behind a statement that "the unpardonable sin is unbelief".

Past unbelief is forgiven once a person becomes a believer. Therefore it is not the unpardonable sin. Simple!

Remember unbelief is just as much a sin as murder. We shouldn't confuse the sin (unbelief) with the consequence. Tieing the unpardonable sin in with salvation is missing the point. Salvation or asbsense of it, is a consequence, not the sin itself.

No!!! A person who rejects Jesus is indeed committing a sin which will never be forgiven If they die in unbelief. Every sin is forgiven the person who repents and comes to Jesus in faith alone for their regeneration.... ie Salvation.

There are a number of sins which if a person dies in that state, may not be granted entrance to heaven. Unbelief, Rape, murder, etc, mortal sins. Yet these are all pardonable as long as there remains opportunity for repentance.

The sin of unbelief and murder etc are NOT the unpardonable sins simply because there is always time and room for repentance in this life. The unpardonable sin, which is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, is unpardonable from the very moment it is committed, and that time onwards. Neither in this life nor the next, says Christ.

In short, ALL sins except for blasphemy of the Holy Ghost are pardonable because if a person repents in this life they are forgiven. ALL who are in unbelief or living in mortal sin are in a perpetual state of unforgiveness until they repent. But this does not make those sins such as unbelief, murder etc, unpardonable simply because they may not be forgiven in this life!

I hope I make myself clear.

 

[MahogonySnail]

If we want to understand why blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the unpardonable sin , we would have to study the nature and purpose of the Spirit going right back to the old testament. Put put it this way, it's equivalent to stabbing God in the heart, ripping it out, then boiling it in hot oil. You can smack his face, pull his beard and hair, spit on him, curse him, all you like, but if you do that to His heart, He turn against you and destroy you. A person basically seals their fate in that moment.

It's quite clear that according to the situation Christ spoke about he was speaking to unbelievers obviously, but this was not their main sin. It was the fact they had just said that Jesus worked miracles by the power of the devil. It offered no hope for them to turn to Christ and be saved, much more, God was unwilling to ever forgive them of that sin.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html
The Pharisees had so firmly set their hearts against accepting Jesus as the Messiah that they rejected the obvious truth before them and perversely twisted it to influence the crowds. They publicly credited the most ultimately evil being in the universe with these precious, godly miracles. In other words, they called the precious and holy Spirit of God, the unclean spirit of Satan. In effect, they charged Jesus Christ with sorcery; one who is in league with Satan. These charges are not only appalling and extremely serious, but clearly absurd. As Jesus immediately responded,

"How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. No one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house" (Mark 3:23-27; also see Luke 11:14-23).


While unbelief certainly was part of their sin, it is blasphemy which was the unforgiveable one and sealed their fate.

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[DeeperStill]

The unpardonable sin implies that it will never be forgiven, ever in the future. Not in this life or the next, as scripture says. It means there is no room left for repentance, the person's fate is sealed for eternity. That is why the unpardonable sin carries so much fear associated with it.

Given this, if a person was once an unbeliever, then becomes a Christian (believes)..you are basically saying that they cannot be forgiven for their past belief!!

No, that is not what i am saying. You are misunderstanding. I am saying a person who dies in a state of unforgiveness can never be forgiven in this age or the next. They have committed an unpardonable sin. Meaning this. After death when a person stands before God, they will be judged as a unbeliever who's sins are still counted against them. Since they are physically dead and have passed into the afterlife, their sins are still unwashed. There is no forgiveness at that point. They cannot be forgiven in the afterlife.

The confusion I think you are making is that I am speaking of a person who has died in their sins. You are speaking of a person who is still living and is not yet a believer.

You are correct when you say that as long as a person is alive, he can be forgiven of his sins. please return to my original post to reread it. No where there did I say this was a person still alive. We know that as long as we live in ths body, there is hope for salvation.
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That is the logic behind a statement that "the unpardonable sin is unbelief".

Past unbelief is forgiven once a person becomes a believer. Therefore it is not the unpardonable sin. Simple!

Remember unbelief is just as much a sin as murder. We shouldn't confuse the sin (unbelief) with the consequence. Tieing the unpardonable sin in with salvation is missing the point. Salvation or asbsense of it, is a consequence, not the sin itself.





There are a number of sins which if a person dies in that state, may not be granted entrance to heaven. Unbelief, Rape, murder, etc, mortal sins. Yet these are all pardonable as long as there remains opportunity for repentance.

The sin of unbelief and murder etc are NOT the unpardonable sins simply because there is always time and room for repentance in this life. The unpardonable sin, which is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, is unpardonable from the very moment it is committed, and that time onwards. Neither in this life nor the next, says Christ.

In short, ALL sins except for blasphemy of the Holy Ghost are pardonable because if a person repents in this life they are forgiven. ALL who are in unbelief or living in mortal sin are in a perpetual state of unforgiveness until they repent. But this does not make those sins such as unbelief, murder etc, unpardonable simply because they may not be forgiven in this life!

I hope I make myself clear.

i hope you now see how you and i were looking at this from different angles.

T

 

[MahogonySnail]

..................yes amen.......

 

[watchmen]

There are few sins that will not be forgiving, on top of blaspheming the Holy Spirit we have unforgivness, unbelief, suicide, and apostasy.

 

[DeeperStill]

I would probably disagree with you biblically on that too.

God said that All sin is forgivable, and Nothing can separate us from the Love of God.


T