Is there an Unpardonable Sin?

[watchmen]

I would probably disagree with you biblically on that too.

God said that All sin is forgivable, and Nothing can separate us from the Love of God.


T

#1 Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,

#2 Unforgiveness ''The parable of the unforgiving servant in
Matthew ''6:23-35''
Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


#3 Unbelief
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hebrews 3
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


#4 Suicide
There is no direct scripture that says suicide is unforgivable, but if the last thing you do in life is murder yourself without repentance you will go to hell.

#5 Apostasy
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.







You may disagree but not scripturally, biblically your argument has no leg to stand on.

 

[MahogonySnail]

As I said before, what makes the blasphemy against the Spirit worse than all others is that there is no opportunity to be forgiven after it is committed in this life or next. Unlike all other sins. Of course, any sin, once committed without repentance is potentially unforgivenable in the next life if death occurs before repentance.

However! Since Jesus said the unpardaonable sin won't be forgiven ni this life or the next, shows that there will be sins forgievn in the next life. These are sins of ignorance and ones overlooked by God's grace. Perhaps even severe sins committed in weakness.
I know of a drunkard who died and went straight to heaven. Ultimately it's up to God's decision.

 

[wattie]

I would probably disagree with you biblically on that too.

God said that All sin is forgivable, and Nothing can separate us from the Love of God.


T

Yeah.. when Jesus says.. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

It is a bit far fetched to think He didn't include ourselves

I like the analogy someone gave me..

When a father sees his son with a gun in his room and knows his son is having suicidal thoughts.. does he let the son commit suicide? NO! He removes the gun.. removing the ability of the son to terminate his life.

So it is with God.. if we are struggling with our faith.. He sees our free will and says.. you had free will to ask me in.. but I love you too much to let you terminate your salvation.. I have removed the ability for you to leave me.

A loving father would remove the gun from a son who wants to commit suicide.
A loving God would remove the means to terminate salvation.

When we are born into God's family.. His commitment to us is greater than that of parents.. because it is not bound by death!

Born of water and the Spirit:

water = water of the womb - physical birth
Spirit = when we are born again through the regeneration of the Holy Spirit.. at an age when we know right from wrong.. not at birth.

 

[CloudStrife]

There are over 50 + different interpretations for the unforgivable sin man it has me worried that no one actually knows what it is or what constitutes it I would like to know the TRUE definition so I can avoid it at all costs... Then again I may have done this before I was a Christian I may have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and if I live the rest of my life as a Christian I'll still go to Hell, man that sucks big time.

 

[MahogonySnail]

watchmen is right on the mark re: unforgiven sins.

 

[DeeperStill]

watchmen is right on the mark re: unforgiven sins.

Unforigven sin in a non-believer keeps one separated from God. But when a person is born from Above, all their sins are forgiven upon the cross.


So lets not be confused here. A Christian, one who is born again, sealed by the Holy Spirit will not lose their salvation because their is an unconfessed sin in them when they die.

The reason is this.

1 John 3:9

"Whoever has been born of God, does NOT sin, for His Seed (ie , his Spirit) remains in him and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

Unrepented sin in a born again believer will not separate them from God because sin is in the Flesh and not in the regenerated spirit. It is the spirit that has been born again and not the flesh. Sin is in the flesh.

every believer will stand at the bema seat judgement where their works will be tested by fire. The works , and or sins in the flesh will be burnt up and reward will be lost. But that person will be saved.

1 Corinthians 3:15

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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So, just beause a person may die with some unrepented sin, does not mean they will lose their salvation. It only means they will lose reward. Do not get the two mixed up and Do not go around telling the body of Christ, the church, they can lose their salvation due to unrepented sin.

T

 

[CloudStrife]

If you repented for the unforgivable sin would you be forgiven? I know Jesus said that people who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven but he didn't say if you blaspheme the holy spirit and repent you will never be forgiven did he?

 

[next_step]

There is only ONE repentance that leads to salvation...I agree with the Calvinists here that its entirely wrong to say: God's grace + our faithfulness = eternal life. People who teach this have understood nothing at all.

 

[DeeperStill]

Good morning CloudStrife.

The Apostle Paul himself was a blasphemer, so yes!!

And....

Matthew 12:31-32 says this:

"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be fogiven men, but the blasphemy against he Holy Spirit.................."

which from the initial post is set forth to be rejection of the only vehicle ( The HOly Spirit ) which draws all men into salvation.

This leaves them in a state of unforgiveness which keeps them outside of Gods saving grace.

T

 

[next_step]

The text (!) gives us the definition of this particular blasphemy against the Holy Spririt. Don't let you confuse yourself by this human ideas of what it is.

 

[watchmen]

There is only ONE repentance that leads to salvation...I agree with the Calvinists here that its entirely wrong to say: God's grace + our faithfulness = eternal life. People who teach this have understood nothing at all.

You mean they have understood nothing except exactly what scripture teaches us.
Colossians 1
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;



Hebrews 3
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;


We are saved by the blood of Christ, by grace through faith, and it is definitely needed for us to remain faithful unto the very end. To believe other wise is to ignore large portions of scripture, including these....
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

 

[next_step]

But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
Hebrews 10:39

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
1. John 2:19

Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. 1. John 5:5

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no-one can boast. Eph 2:8+9

continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Phil 2:13

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

2. Corinthians 5:17

He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.

1. Corinthians 1:8+9


It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
from 1. Corinthians 3

The question is not wether I manage to keep myself safe. I dare to say its blasphemy to say my "status" is only "safe" when I am without sin because I just repented. Study Hebrews I recommend.

Start to discern. (2. Timothy 2)

It is : am I a new creation or am I someone who confesses who is dead inside.

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning, so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

I can proof anything to you if I want to take things out of biblical context.

 

[watchmen]

I can proof anything to you if I want to take things out of biblical context.

The sad thing is you try. You cannot prove anything to me because I trust the Holy Spirit for my understanding, not the false teaching of false teachers purposely distorting God's word.

 

[CloudStrife]

Is bitterness or sarcasm towards the Holy Spirit blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

 

[MahogonySnail]

which from the initial post is set forth to be rejection of the only vehicle ( The HOly Spirit ) which draws all men into salvation.

Rejection , ignoring, quenching, grieving, vexing, is not the same as blasphemy. I don't know what is so difficult about this to understand.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Is bitterness or sarcasm towards the Holy Spirit blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
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No. Blasphemy means vilification, evil speaking, reviling.

There's many reasons a person might reject the Spirit, such as ignorance, foolishness, pride, stupidity, idolatory. These are not the same as blasphemy. If you blaspheme you say terrible terrrible things against and to the Spirit like when the Pharisees called the Holy Spirit satan, right to Jesus's face in His presence. It is more than just simple rejection or ignoring God, it is schemed, calculated, contrived and purposeful efforts in order to insult and revile God. Those who believe in Christ cannot truly blaspheme the Spirit in the same way those particular (not all) Pharisees did.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The clearest example of blasphemey against the Spirit is if someone purposefully says "such and such a person has or are possessed by a demon", when in fact they have the Spirit.
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

 

[MahogonySnail]

So in that respect, the people most likely to commit the unpardonable sin are not unbelievers who are ignorant and foolish etc, but those who are religious like the scribes and pharisees,
For example,
I have known people who identify themselves as Christians to claim that a person who speaks in tongues has a devil. That is one example of blasphemy and may not be forgiven.

 

[aprodigal1]

I would probably disagree with you biblically on that too.
God said that All sin is forgivable, and Nothing can separate us from the Love of God.

Speaking of unbelievers or believers?

 

[CloudStrife]

What if your intent was to hurt the Holy Spirit does that come under the category of grieve? To Grieve means to harm or hurt right?