Is there such a thing as an atheist?

nl · Apr 23, 2014

RE: deathbed salvation

Death can come suddenly. Many are drugged on pain meds near the end and not fully conscious. I reckon from Scriptures like John 3 and John 5 that God needs to do a supernatural work to bring about a person's salvation. God must "stir the waters". The Holy Spirit must come. Human will cannot place faith into the heart. When opportunity knocks to obtain salvation, it is best not to delay but to respond to what God is doing.

Cycel · Apr 23, 2014

Timeline said:

When I was 25 I suffered a ruptured appendix, but the symptoms were wrong and I wasn't diagnosed. Around 4 pm the day after I was admitted to hospital the surgeon came around with papers for me to sign. They wanted to operate and told me I would be dead by morning if I did not consent. I signed. Rolling into surgery I did not care whether I lived or died. I only wanted the pain over, one way or the other. It was actually thought I was suffering from a rare form of cancer, but during the exploratory surgery my appendix was examined and the problem was found. A week later I was home, and two weeks after that it suddenly occurred to me that in all that time I hadn't once thought of God. So much for death bed conversions.

Jda016 · Apr 23, 2014

Cycel said:

Ah yes! But fairies don't have the evidence for existence that God does.

let us look again at a Biblical prophesy which athiest's seem to claim that they are all self-fulfilling.

The Bible prophesies that a star will lead kings to the birthplace of Jesus. Mind you this prophesy predates A.D.

The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society (volume 32, pages 389-407) noted that Chinese astronomers had observed a long-tailed, slow-moving comet in their skies during March 5 B.C. This sui-hsing, or "star," hung in the Capricorn region for more than seventy days. This same comet would have been visible in the skies over Persia, home of the Magi, in the hours just before dawn. Due to the earth's orbital motion, the comet's light would have been directly in front of the Magi during their journey- hence, they would have truly followed the star.

source: Killing Jesus by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard

note that there are scholars who believe Jesus was born in March around 5 B.C.

Strong coincidence or somehow a self fulfilling prophecy?

Cycel · Apr 23, 2014

danalee said:

I'd accept a hug from you anytime, but I am no longer concerned about God not dropping in to acknowledge my prayers. His absence pretty much confirmed my earlier suspicions that he wasn't really there.

Timeline · Apr 23, 2014

Cycel said:

Well we know that many others turn their minds to God when they are sick or dying. But when we put our "faith" in surgeons then our minds are on ourselves and the surgery. I personally think this is a big problem in the church. Many people pray the surgeon will do a good job. I do not put much faith in doctors. I find the medical system to be a money loving business that doesn't care as much about my health as they do getting paid and avoiding lawsuits. That seems a bit harsh, but there have been several times when I thought something was wrong with my health and I did not go to the hospital. If I live, I pray that it will be glory to God; If I die, then I get to be with God (that's a paraphrase from Paul's writings) ...and I don't know which to choose (sometimes I don't feel like I am very useful to God, so I at those times I lean toward going on to heaven). Don't get me wrong, I feel very blessed but I wish that I could give my life more completely, but I am stubborn.

Cycel · Apr 23, 2014

Jda016 said:

Tell that to people who believe in fairies, ghosts, alien abductions, etc., etc. Once you stop believing in God the evidence you previously accepted starts to look like it's full of holes. I am not making this up.

Cycel · Apr 23, 2014

Timeline said:

Well we know that many others turn their minds to God when they are sick or dying. But when we put our "faith" in surgeons then our minds are on ourselves and the surgery. I personally think this is a big problem in the church. Many people pray the surgeon will do a good job. I do not put much faith in doctors. I find the medical system to be a money loving business that doesn't care as much about my health as they do getting paid and avoiding lawsuits. That seems a bit harsh, but there have been several times when I thought something was wrong with my health and I did not go to the hospital. If I live, I pray that it will be glory to God; If I die, then I get to be with God (that's a paraphrase from Paul's writings) ...and I don't know which to choose (sometimes I don't feel like I am very useful to God, so I at those times I lean toward going on to heaven). Don't get me wrong, I feel very blessed but I wish that I could give my life more completely, but I am stubborn.

As I was being wheeled into surgery my only thought was that I either wanted a full recovery, or death. I did not care which. I now know that when the end of my life comes, all I will want is an end to suffering.

phil112 · Apr 23, 2014

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seventhtrump · Apr 23, 2014

The evidence is all around you, the perfection of existance is the evidence you seek. Take a rolex wrist watch and put it in a a bag, take a hammer and smash the rolex into nothingness. Now take that bag and shake it, how long would you have to shake that bag before the watch puts itself back together and is perfectly on time. Now times that by everything on earth and in the universe because if only one thing was off we wouldnt be here. Thats proof there is a creater. Now that you have the proof of creation, Jesus is waiting just for you to ask him for help, just say his name with your eyes closed and you will know that he is real.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Sirk said:

So true Sirk as it is a typical example of atheists who prefer to leave out the important bits. In fact last century, atheism in all its forms were responsible for 317 million deaths and since 1973 it has been responsible for hundreds of millions of babies being murdered in the womb. They have a tenancy to keep quiet about that fact and rabbit on about what christians are supposed to have done hundreds and thousands of years ago.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

seventhtrump said:

Thankyou for that little bit of reality seventhtrump. I am afraid that it is too simple for atheists to understand. They are not happy unless things are complex and unknowable. Add to that of course where did the bits come from to even be a Rolex watch. They just happened according to atheists. They must have plenty of time on their hands if they believe what they believe and they sit there and watch paint dry and hope it will evolve into a paint brush.

nl · Apr 24, 2014

nl said:

Suggested tune: Hotel California

Christians seek to remember what God has done. If a miracle was done once, it is good to remember the event and not forget it. Little creatures ought not to demand that a Majestic God repeat what He was already done.

"For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes." (1 Corinthians 11:26 and commonly used in liturgies)

The bread was broken like Christ's body was broken. The cup was poured out like Christ's blood was poured out.

The simple ceremony that Jesus instituted in the upper room was intended to be observed by his disciples regularly in remembrance of Christ and his sufferings and death.

It is meant to insure that when Christians gather for worship, they will give at least a few minutes to remembering Christ’s death—the most important event in history, the key to salvation.

Because of Christ's death, God can justly apply mercy rather than strict justice to sinners. Christ has already suffered the punishment on the behalf of those who become heirs of salvation by grace through faith.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Jda016 said:

Yes Spock, definitely logic. Actually, I do think they have had God coming to them and telling them that God doesn't exist. Except what they thought was God was actually satan. You know, that guy that is very good at telling lies.

seventhtrump · Apr 24, 2014

Thats right, there is no way that any logical person could look at this life and believe we are some accident

Sirk · Apr 24, 2014

mustaphadrink said:

These facts that you state is also overwhelming evidence contrary to the notion that man is basically good. Sure you can look at the leaders of the nations that murdered so many people and put the blame on them, but the reality of it is, is that ordinary people, just like you and me did and do the dirty work.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Cycel said:

And what evidence is that O high and mighty one? So far I haven't seen any that exists so we need you to enlighten us.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Cycel said:

There is that 'I' again.You know the one that imply everyone else is the same. Tell me, how many atheists once believed in God and Christ? if you can't, may I suggest that you stop trolling and say something sensible.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Cycel said:

Here we go again with that infamous 'I' which means that because 'I' never had a deathbed conversion, no one else does.

So please enlighten us. How many deathbeds have you attended to find out such information? If you can't tell us, please stop trolling and say something sensible.

mustaphadrink · Apr 24, 2014

Jda016 said:

Ah yes! But fairies don't have the evidence for existence that God does.

let us look again at a Biblical prophesy which athiest's seem to claim that they are all self-fulfilling.

The Bible prophesies that a star will lead kings to the birthplace of Jesus. Mind you this prophesy predates A.D.

The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society (volume 32, pages 389-407) noted that Chinese astronomers had observed a long-tailed, slow-moving comet in their skies during March 5 B.C. This sui-hsing, or "star," hung in the Capricorn region for more than seventy days. This same comet would have been visible in the skies over Persia, home of the Magi, in the hours just before dawn. Due to the earth's orbital motion, the comet's light would have been directly in front of the Magi during their journey- hence, they would have truly followed the star.

source: Killing Jesus by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard

note that there are scholars who believe Jesus was born in March around 5 B.C.

Strong coincidence or somehow a self fulfilling prophecy?

SShhhhhhh JDA, you will give the atheists a heart attack with such wonderful facts. You know, the sort that they hate with a vengeance.

And · Apr 24, 2014

Click through these pictures quickly.

http://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/3/5/a005033/F4.large.jpg
http://evolutionoftruth.com/images/cell-3D.gif
http://www.blatner.com/adam/consctransf/greatstory/cellinsidecolor.JPG
http://migration.wordpress.com/files/2007/09/adhesome.jpg
http://www.harunyahya.com/image/evrim_aldatmacasi/cell_complex_structure.jpg
http://www.theberkeleygraduate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cellComplexity.jpg
http://allahinayetleri.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hucre.jpg

Eukaryotic cells are completely interdependant and need all the parts to survive or they die within seconds...
every part of the 12,000 structures must exist simultaneously or the cell dies within a few seconds.

The cell has to be put together eimultaneously or all the membranes neutralize.

the smallest structure contains billions of proteins
One protein to make randomly
at 5,700 RPM or tries per second
would take
7.372,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
years to spontaneously form from a mud puddle and the wassted tries would fill all the known universe with bad protein particls 10^ 45 times

IF the amino acids were all the same isomers so they wont poison the chemical mix
but they arent
it is impossiblt to randomly form ONE protein from a racemic mix, it will poison itself every second and die.

evolution is a joke.

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