Is this racism, or confusion?

[Depleted]

From what I understood, they were allowed to use the restroom, but then came out and sat at a table without ordering anything. Then they were told that they needed to order something or leave, because the tables were for paying customers. Imo, nothing racist about it, business is business.. Most businesses don't allow loitering, they aren't bus stops or hang outs, especially when your occupying space reserved for customers. I've been asked more than once to leave a business if I wasn't going to buy anything, its their right because its their business and not a public park. If these 2 guys at Starbucks were white, we wouldn't have heard anything about it... jmo

I heard about the woman being kicked out right before those guys were asked to leave by someone who was there at that moment. (She left within a few minutes before the two guys came in... or they may have already arrived, but she didn't notice. We really do not size up people by skin-color in this town. We size people up by their attire. And, oh! You're going to be sized up if you dare wear Dallas Cowboy fan stuff. lol) She didn't mention what color the woman was either, however, it still seems it's okay for a woman to be kicked out, but not these two men.

And Starbucks are usually quite gracious. You can buy a small coffee, take a seat, make it last for 1-2 hours, and they won't bother you. They only ask people to leave if they buy nothing and sit. Because sitting is for paying customers, even if "paying" means spending a buck. I know people who write entire books on their laptops in Starbucks, but they know they are drinking coffee while writing.

The first night this broke on our local news, the incident had happened sometime that day. It was a "live report" on our evening news staged across the street from that Starbucks, and the reporter was talking about the demonstration outside. We could see "the demonstration" happening. Three people talking to each other, and the guy was leaning against the building holding a half-sized posterboard in front of him. (Too small to read what it said.) They had already interviewed the men's lawyer for part of the story. She was in her 20s, quite beautiful -- blonde hair, blue eyes, and tailored-dressed.

The reporter told there would be a demonstration the next day too. She wasn't telling the story. She was setting up the mob to come. And they haven't stopped coming since. Megaphones included. This was orchestrated.

 

[Depleted]

People here use coffee shop bathrooms all the time. How does a member of staff know whether someone intends to buy something after they have used the facility? One minor incident has cost Starbucks thousands of Dollars because they deem it necessary to close down for training purposes. According to the report I read the Men were waiting for someone else to arrive before ordering. Another point is that the Police have better things to do. Supposing all store staff did the same Another Police division would be needed to cope with the calls.

Picture the business section of your town. Now put that in the commercial district too. It's in Center City Philadelphia. It's where our skyscrapers are. The bottom of skyscrapers are commercial stores. The upper floors are businesses. A few have condos for people who work in Center City. Think posh meets everyday people.

And then tell me the cops have something more important to do than keep that district free from trouble. After all, that's the part of town that funds our government! You best believe the cops are going to make it as crime free as humanly possible. Would bobbies think it's no big deal if there is a minor altercation in Square Mile?

 

[Depleted]

I don't know about this store, or its location, but there are MANY public establishments that have had to start locking the bathroom doors, and hand out the key to paying customers.

I have seen the bathrooms after a bunch of rowdy kids, or drunks, or homeless people go in and trash the place. I've seen whole rolls of paper towels stuffed down the toilet, or urinal, feces and urine all over the floor, used toilet paper scattered everywhere....

Any business establishment has the right to run their business as they see fit. If a paying customer came in and started trashing the place, the business is completely within their right to insist that they leave. If they refuse to leave, then the police should be called.

This particular Starbucks had a policy that was clearly explained to the two men... according to the story. It sounds like they chose to make an issue of it, and were arrested.

ALL Starbucks have that policy! That's what irks me. Employees were fired for implementing business policy!

 

[Desdichado]

Chik Fil A would have promoted them

ALL Starbucks have that policy! That's what irks me. Employees were fired for implementing business policy!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

ALL Starbucks have that policy! That's what irks me. Employees were fired for implementing business policy!

now you know better than that!

policy is for normal folks and fair play

out with the old (policy) and in with the new (policy)

see how righteous and fair Starbucks is now? everybody settle down and stick your muzzle in your overpriced fancy coffee and laugh at each others whip cream mustaches

Starbucks Employee Who Called Police on Black Men No Longer Works There, Company Says

there there now. all better

again, the distinction between black and white that has NOTHING to do with what happened but everything to do with what happened

insanity

I will add this:

I suspect many white people have long gotten over their 'prejudice' . the flip side of that is the black prejudice that really got a new lease on life with Obama

 

[Depleted]

Ironically these jokers were there for a business meeting regarding a potential real estate opportunity with a local white businessman. Is it me or is there something wrong with is script?

Yet I couldn't help but notice that neither the two individuals arrested or the businessman who had arrived just as the two were being handcuffed had any sort of paperwork, despite the fact that usually in a business meeting you at least take notes especially in a real estate opportunity since all real estate transactions involving the purchase or sale of real property is required to be in writing, even other contractual matters are reduced to writing so why no documents?

“We were there for a real reason, a real deal that we were working on,” Robinson explained. “We put in a lot of time, energy, effort. … We were at a moment that could have a positive impact on a whole ladder of people, lives, families. So I was like, ‘No, you’re not stopping that right now.'”
https://blackamericaweb.com/2018/04/19/men-arrested-at-starbucks-say-they-feared-for-their-lives/

But in all fairness, they originally didn't schedule the meeting for that location but rather it was to be held at another Starbucks across town, but so happen to be moved to the Starbucks at this location for some unspecified reason. But it wasn't a location unfamiliar to one of the men arrested.

Nelson and Robinson, black men who became best friends in the fourth grade, were taken in handcuffs from the Starbucks in Philadelphia’s tony Rittenhouse Square neighborhood, where Robinson has been a customer since he was 15. https://blackamericaweb.com/2018/04/19/men-arrested-at-starbucks-say-they-feared-for-their-lives/

Seeing that one of the gentlemen was a customer of that particular Starbucks since he was 15, and the two had been friends since 4th grade, seems like it might be a place that it would be a place they would have been familiar with, including the requirement of a purchase.

But the whole jest of the matter is they informed the store manager that they did not want to purchase anything and they refused to obey the police officers instruction to leave the premises.

As far as that real estate opportunity, sure they are going to end up with that Starbucks location, or at least the value of it , but when the dust settles the lawyer is going to walk with the dough and they are going to be left with the content of their character.

As usual, it's you.

I used to work for real estate people in Center City. And then I had my own business, so I went to our local Chamber of Commerce meetings. One was two black guys promoting a project they were enthusiastic about. They were starting a mixed neighborhood just 5 blocks south of that same Starbucks. And by "mixed," I'm not talking ethnically mixed. It was income-mixed. A whole neighborhood where rich people could live right next to federally-funded-home-ownership people.

Personally, I didn't see how that was going to work. After all, who builds a mansion in a poor neighborhood? BUT that's what that meeting was about. Getting the business community in on the idea, so we'd all be working together to make it work. No paperwork required.

And as far as that Starbucks location goes? Ain't no one but no one suggesting they're going to build there. Something like assuming people in Time Square are there meeting to tear down the Ironworks Building. Rittenhouse Square is one of our la-dee-dah locations. A studio apartment in a high-rise there cost $2200 a month... back in 1983! (I'm guesstimating it would go for $10,000 a month now), AND, you couldn't even get air-conditioning because the building was historical. Even if these men are award the usual millions in such suits, they STILL couldn't afford that location.

No, really. Once again, it's you. You come up with wild speculation over nothing in particular with absolutely no idea of what's going on there and assume sane people will agree with you.

 

[Miri]

We have bathroom regulations built into the coding of a building. If it is a business, X amount of toilets per employees. If it is a restaurant, X amount of bathrooms per employees and customers. Have you ever gone into a paint store to use their bathrooms without first asking?

Now, imagine that same paint store is at the corner of the two busiest streets in your town and there is a parade or big ta-do that day. Big crowds outside. Should the paint store be expected to handle the "overflow?"

Well, in our case, that Starbuck is on the biggest pedestrian street in Philadelphia, two blocks from both biggest cross streets on our town. (Broad and Market. Even the names of the streets hint they are main streets. lol) The difference is a very busy day in a small town (like Founder's Day when everyone in town gathers together), is what that section of the city looks like every day of the week. It's so busy there that there are about four Starbucks within an eight block radius, and you still have to stand in line for 15 minutes before being served. (Not into coffee, but hubby likes it, so I buy him some when I'm about to go home.) They're like Christmas time at a video/bookstore. I'd estimate 100 people in the store at any given moment.

So how many bathrooms for that many people? That's what's coded in our building regulations. BUT there are no public bathrooms. So, where do pedestrians go when they have to "go?" Reasonable take is a restaurant. But the regulations are only set up for X number of customers and employees, so if we find out any particular restaurant allows people to walk off the street, use the bathroom, and never order something, the bathroom traffic just gets bigger. Who cleans up after them? Who foots the plumbing bill from over use on the toilets? AND, who has to make a bigger bathroom in an already-built building, just so pedestrians can use their bathrooms?

You’ve got me curious now. Lol

What about public toilets in the area. Is the area quite old?

Just wondered as with new developments, hardly any of the cafe’s resteraunts etc,
have bathrooms for customers. Instead they build public toilets (we call them
toilets, we are not as refined and sort of tell it like it is. Ha ha).

A few years ago a massive shopping centre was built in my town. There are
so many public toilets, hand dryers, sinks (wash basins to you) that you
never have to wait. It caters for the entire area. In fact so many you
are spoilt for choice. Oh do I pick one down the end of the row, or one
in the middle of the row...lol

Where the area is old there are lots of other public toilets.

We have places like macdonalds, Burger King, cinemas, bus station,
train station, some large deparment stores, areana, Library, museum,
plus numerous other places. I doubt anyone is more than 5 min walk
from a toilet.

No one ever asks if they can go to the toilet ever, that I am aware of.

I must remember this if I ever visit the US, they have different toilet
etiquette and call them bathrooms.

Ha ha


I honestly can’t imagine the OP scenerio ever happening. The city I’m
in hosts losts of sporting events, and other stuff too. I think the
other Uk poster was as surprised as me too.

Hey I even found a toilet emoji!

 

[Dino246]

Stefan Molyneux put together a great argument on this subject. It's available on YouTube.

 

[Depleted]

You’ve got me curious now. Lol

What about public toilets in the area. Is the area quite old?

Just wondered as with new developments, hardly any of the cafe’s resteraunts etc,
have bathrooms for customers. Instead they build public toilets (we call them
toilets, we are not as refined and sort of tell it like it is. Ha ha).

A few years ago a massive shopping centre was built in my town. There are
so many public toilets, hand dryers, sinks (wash basins to you) that you
never have to wait. It caters for the entire area. In fact so many you
are spoilt for choice. Oh do I pick one down the end of the row, or one
in the middle of the row...lol

Where the area is old there are lots of other public toilets.

We have places like macdonalds, Burger King, cinemas, bus station,
train station, some large deparment stores, areana, Library, museum,
plus numerous other places. I doubt anyone is more than 5 min walk
from a toilet.

No one ever asks if they can go to the toilet ever, that I am aware of.

I must remember this if I ever visit the US, they have different toilet
etiquette and call them bathrooms.

Ha ha


I honestly can’t imagine the OP scenerio ever happening. The city I’m
in hosts losts of sporting events, and other stuff too. I think the
other Uk poster was as surprised as me too.

Hey I even found a toilet emoji!



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You forget -- compared to you guys, everything in America is new. lol But that is the business district/rich-people-condo section of the city. So it's been there since the early 1800s. (Two miles from the original Philadelphia/Olde City/tourist destinations.)

Our Eagles won the Super Bowl, so the city celebrated with well over a million people coming in to see the parade. Johnny-on-The-Spot. (Disgusting things. No plumbing so chemicals are supposed to get rid of what was "left" there, and no way they do that. lol) Even had a service announcement reminding people of the hazards of standing on one -- potential of falling in one.

No one goes uptown without a reason to go uptown. For me, it's usually doctor's appointments or visiting in hospitals. Other times in my life it was to go see a lawyer, go shopping at Reading Market, Christmas decoration sightseeing, etc.

I can use the doctor or hospital's bathrooms, if need be. Even the lawyer's bathrooms. But shopping doesn't usually include bathrooms. (And, yes, by bathroom, it's just a toilet and sink, no shower. Except, Johnny-on-the-Spots don't even have sinks.)

We don't have public bathrooms, no seats for the weary, and often times stairs only for our subways. It's very user-unfriendly. Our motto could be "go before you go." lol

 

[Miri]

Maybe we are too obsessed with public toilets. I just found this!


https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk

Sorry to everyone else, I realise this wasn’t the topic of the
thread. Ha ha

 

[tourist]

You’ve got me curious now. Lol

What about public toilets in the area. Is the area quite old?

Just wondered as with new developments, hardly any of the cafe’s resteraunts etc,
have bathrooms for customers. Instead they build public toilets (we call them
toilets, we are not as refined and sort of tell it like it is. Ha ha).

A few years ago a massive shopping centre was built in my town. There are
so many public toilets, hand dryers, sinks (wash basins to you) that you
never have to wait. It caters for the entire area. In fact so many you
are spoilt for choice. Oh do I pick one down the end of the row, or one
in the middle of the row...lol

Where the area is old there are lots of other public toilets.

We have places like macdonalds, Burger King, cinemas, bus station,
train station, some large deparment stores, areana, Library, museum,
plus numerous other places. I doubt anyone is more than 5 min walk
from a toilet.

No one ever asks if they can go to the toilet ever, that I am aware of.

I must remember this if I ever visit the US, they have different toilet
etiquette and call them bathrooms.

Ha ha


I honestly can’t imagine the OP scenerio ever happening. The city I’m
in hosts losts of sporting events, and other stuff too. I think the
other Uk poster was as surprised as me too.

Hey I even found a toilet emoji!



View attachment 181058

There are no problems with availability of public toilets in Florida. It is very much a modern state that is going 24/7/365.

 

[Miri]

Ooh had to show you this.

12 million shoppers visited one shopping centre between March when it opened
and October of the same year.

Those public toilets came in handy. Lol

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co...ebrates-12-million-shoppers-success-1-6160296


Oh and they are free. I don’t know if this is peculiar to the UK. But many years ago you
had to pay a penny to have a pee. It became known as spending a penny!

Some places still charge but now it’s 20p (20 pennies).

Most are free though.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

We are in a time when the wisdom of this world (mans point of view) is promoted and the Cross of Christ is demoted - apostasy (Isaiah 30:1-33). Once you leave the Cross to fix the problem...on your best day all you can do is patch it up! You cannot fix it. Because only the Cross deals with sin.

​James 2 New International Version (NIV)

Favoritism Forbidden

2 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Are they not the ones who are blaspheming the noble name of him to whom you belong?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP][a][/SUP] you are doing right.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[SUP][b][/SUP] also said, “You shall not murder.”[SUP][c][/SUP] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,

[SUP]13 [/SUP]because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Note: God places the person showing favoritism and partiality in the same category as a murderer.
​

​

 

[Didymous]

Back lives matter, blah-blah; white lives matter, blah-blah. How about this? Lost lives matter?

 

[hornetguy]

We are in a time when the wisdom of this world (mans point of view) is promoted and the Cross of Christ is demoted - apostasy (Isaiah 30:1-33). Once you leave the Cross to fix the problem...on your best day all you can do is patch it up! You cannot fix it. Because only the Cross deals with sin.

​James 2 New International Version (NIV)

Favoritism Forbidden

2 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Are they not the ones who are blaspheming the noble name of him to whom you belong?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP][a][/SUP] you are doing right.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[SUP][b][/SUP] also said, “You shall not murder.”[SUP][c][/SUP] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,

[SUP]13 [/SUP]because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Note: God places the person showing favoritism and partiality in the same category as a murderer.
​

​

Yes, you have missed the forest for all those trees you're in. This is a secular place of business.... not the worship assembly of our God.

Your scripture is all about our assemblies, and how we, in Christ are not to show partiality among ourselves.

It has zero to do with a privately owned business.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

From what I understood, they were allowed to use the restroom, but then came out and sat at a table without ordering anything. Then they were told that they needed to order something or leave, because the tables were for paying customers. Imo, nothing racist about it, business is business.. Most businesses don't allow loitering, they aren't bus stops or hang outs, especially when your occupying space reserved for customers. I've been asked more than once to leave a business if I wasn't going to buy anything, its their right because its their business and not a public park. If these 2 guys at Starbucks were white, we wouldn't have heard anything about it... jmo

I've been told to leave McDonald's for not buying anything before and then again I've went to a McDonald's and not bought anything and wasn't bothered so then It's just timing I think.Maybe they had a meeting that particular day and the manager may have said In the meeting to look out for people just coming In here to sit down and check their phones and not buying a cup of coffee or something and then again maybe an employee was looking for a way In their minds to Impress the boss and move up and profiled people.

But as for as my opinion,I think this kind of thing Is a societal problem.

 

[Desdichado]

Figures the Canadian would bring him up.

Who are you going to reference next? Lauren Southern? Jordan Peterson?

Stefan Molyneux put together a great argument on this subject. It's available on YouTube.

 

[Dino246]

Figures the Canadian would bring him up.

Who are you going to reference next? Lauren Southern? Jordan Peterson?

Faith Goldy.

 

[Deade]

There are no problems with availability of public toilets in Florida. It is very much a modern state that is going 24/7/365.

Pretty much the same here in Oklahoma. Most stores and restaurants have them readily available. All convenience stores have them.

 

[pottersclay]

Imo Satan is hard at work sowing discord in society in the form of racism. Pushing for another civil war. There is so many lies out there one could never know what the truth is when the media has done it's damage. Principalities of the air as Paul explains it.
Spreading fear and distrust , creating a false sense of pride. Invoking rage and violence. Hatred and dispair.
No one on this Earth asked to be the color that the Lord choose for them. Nor to be rich or poor. It is by Devine design as purposed by the creator.
Oppression, depression, obsession, self ...self....self.....all is vanity as Solomon said.
Black, brown, yellow, red, white, if God created a blue person Satan would create a reason to hate them too.
Think about it who can hate a Smurf?.....See we even got a name for them just in case it happens...lol.