Is Trump the mouth in Daniel 7 & 8?

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According to the Lords Word in Revelation 9:20, the environmental plagues seen in Revelation chapters 8 & 9 are caused by the love mankind has for the works from his hands. This represents industrial pollution, and Donald Trump's policies are pulling all the plugs on environmental conservatism.
Just yesterday he pulled the plug on oil drilling in the Arctic. And unlike the Gulf of Mexico with its warm waters, if any serious calamity occurs with drilling operations in the Arctic; you may then just say goodbye to the currently pristine waters there.
So to answer your question about Trumps political views, and more importantly his economic views, which are very detrimental to earth's environmental issues: Yes, Trumps views are contrary to God.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk
Speaking of industrial pollution, are you aware that China is the greatest polluter of the environment by leaps and bounds ? And yet, the Kyoto Protocol has granted them third world developing country status ... which means they don't have to change a thing until the year 2030. The U.S.A. never ratified this agreement ... and rightly so IMO. Canada pulled out in 2012. Five countries have plans to drill for oil in the Arctic ... the U.S, Canada, Russia, Denmark and Norway. Would you prefer the U.S. to buy from us at higher prices than to produce your own ? We do not live in a perfect world ... and such is the world of politics ... and countries whose lifeblood is dictated by crude oil. To simply point the finger at Donald Trump for this reality is absurd and ill-informed.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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According to the Lords Word in Revelation 9:20, the environmental plagues seen in Revelation chapters 8 & 9 are caused by the love mankind has for the works from his hands. This represents industrial pollution, and Donald Trump's policies are pulling all the plugs on environmental conservatism.
Just yesterday he pulled the plug on oil drilling in the Arctic. And unlike the Gulf of Mexico with its warm waters, if any serious calamity occurs with drilling operations in the Arctic; you may then just say goodbye to the currently pristine waters there.
So to answer your question about Trumps political views, and more importantly his economic views, which are very detrimental to earth's environmental issues: Yes, Trumps views are contrary to God.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk

The works of their hands
are idols. It's important to get to know Old Testament prophetic language to understand The Revelation of Jesus.

The worship of false gods has a detrimental effect on the land itself. The verse goes on to tell you in the part you have highlighted they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk.

Isaiah prophesying about The Day of The Lord says.

Isaiah 2:8-9

Their land is full of idols;
they bow down to the work of their hands,
to what their fingers have made.
9 So people will be brought low
and everyone humbled—
do not forgive them.

The prophet said the earth will wear out like a garment. But the judgement is about mankind's refusal to let go of false worship.

Jeremiah 1:16

16 I will pronounce my judgements on my people
because of their wickedness in forsaking me,
in burning incense to
other gods
and in
worshipping what their hands have made.
 
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I see that a little diferently .I would think 666 is only a number and not a literal Judge as a visible mark. But more like the mark of Cain... marked as a restless wanderer suffering the things of this world a unbeliever knowing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God, then neither do they belong to Him . 666 is the number assigned to natural uncovered man as a beast of the field (formed from the dust)

I would think we walk by faith the unseen understanding. If we do not mix faith the unseen with what we do hear or see in effect according to Hebrews 4 we have hardened our hearts and do not receive His Sabbath rest. In that way we should be careful in how we hear as he gives us ears to hear what the Spirit is saying.

It ,the unseen number of Cain(666) is one the Lord could see, so that Cain the marked man would bear his own punishment.(And the LORD set a mark upon Cain not for other men to see, we walk by faith.

And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORDset a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Gen 4:13

The mark was not for the slayers .It reminded God to slain them if they did try and make Cains suffering any lesser by killing him. The promised punishment must remain . Christ took our punishment upon himself... we are not of the mark.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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[video=youtube;5MddkFsEyQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MddkFsEyQM[/video]
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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And he shall speak great words against the most High,
You highlighted this but did you read it?

It is exactly the opposite of President Trump. He acknowledges The Lord God. Far more than your last President.
The Bible is a Middle Eastern Book with a Middle Eastern focus. It isn't centred on the USA. If you are looking for Beast candidates in the world today look that way. There are leaders in The Middle East who speak blasphemously and boastfully against The Most High God on a daily basis. But CNN just leaves them alone. They are too busy rubbishing decent people to highlight the real evil in the world.
 

tanakh

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You highlighted this but did you read it?

It is exactly the opposite of President Trump. He acknowledges The Lord God. Far more than your last President.
The Bible is a Middle Eastern Book with a Middle Eastern focus. It isn't centred on the USA. If you are looking for Beast candidates in the world today look that way. There are leaders in The Middle East who speak blasphemously and boastfully against The Most High God on a daily basis. But CNN just leaves them alone. They are too busy rubbishing decent people to highlight the real evil in the world.
Seeing that a large number of his supporters are Republican voting Evangelicals I would expect him to acknowledge God
even he has the sense to know how to keep you all on side.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Seeing that a large number of his supporters are Republican voting Evangelicals I would expect him to acknowledge God
even he has the sense to know how to keep you all on side.
You all who? I don't follow.
 

louis

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Speaking of industrial pollution, are you aware that China is the greatest polluter of the environment by leaps and bounds ? And yet, the Kyoto Protocol has granted them third world developing country status ... which means they don't have to change a thing until the year 2030. The U.S.A. never ratified this agreement ... and rightly so IMO. Canada pulled out in 2012. Five countries have plans to drill for oil in the Arctic ... the U.S, Canada, Russia, Denmark and Norway. Would you prefer the U.S. to buy from us at higher prices than to produce your own ? We do not live in a perfect world ... and such is the world of politics ... and countries whose lifeblood is dictated by crude oil. To simply point the finger at Donald Trump for this reality is absurd and ill-informed.
I am well aware that China is the greatest polluter of the environment by leaps and bounds.
Are you aware that when pollution was increasing significantly here in the U.S. back in the 60's and 70's, with acid rain and rivers like toiletts, making the U.S. an environmental basket case, that industry then sent Nixon to China in order to open their most toxic industries there?
The vast majority of the products produced in China since Nixon went to China have come here to the U.S.
So while China may be the new environmental basket case on the block; it is primarily due to U.S. demand.

Revelation 18:3 [FONT=&quot]For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.[/FONT]
 
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louis

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The works of their hands
are idols. It's important to get to know Old Testament prophetic language to understand The Revelation of Jesus.

The worship of false gods has a detrimental effect on the land itself. The verse goes on to tell you in the part you have highlighted they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk.

Isaiah prophesying about The Day of The Lord says.

Isaiah 2:8-9

Their land is full of idols;
they bow down to the work of their hands,
to what their fingers have made.
9 So people will be brought low
and everyone humbled—
do not forgive them.

The prophet said the earth will wear out like a garment. But the judgement is about mankind's refusal to let go of false worship.

Jeremiah 1:16

16 I will pronounce my judgements on my people
because of their wickedness in forsaking me,
in burning incense to
other gods
and in
worshipping what their hands have made.
Exactly; idols represent the works of our hands.
Today's technical marvels are the sorceries people today worship (Revelation 9:21).

Revelation 9:21 [FONT=&quot]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their [/FONT][FONT=&quot]sorceries,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
 

louis

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You highlighted this but did you read it?

It is exactly the opposite of President Trump. He acknowledges The Lord God.
The Lord God is love according to 1 John 4:8 & 16.
Do President Trump's actions acknowledge Love, and loving his neighbor?
 

louis

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Seeing that a large number of his supporters are Republican voting Evangelicals I would expect him to acknowledge God
even he has the sense to know how to keep you all on side.
It is true that a large number of Trump's constituents are they who claim themselves as Christians, which makes it very ironic, considering Trump constantly trashes the truth.
In effect these so called Christians are advocating for lies to supercede truth.
 
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this might belong in the conspiracy forum......

maybe..........:confused:
 
Nov 23, 2016
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I am well aware that China is the greatest polluter of the environment by leaps and bounds.
Are you aware that when pollution was increasing significantly here in the U.S. back in the 60's and 70's, with acid rain and rivers like toiletts, making the U.S. an environmental basket case, that industry then sent Nixon to China in order to open their most toxic industries there?
The vast majority of the products produced in China since Nixon went to China have come here to the U.S.
So while China may be the new environmental basket case on the block; it is primarily due to U.S. demand.
I see. And this makes Donald Trump the possible anti-Christ ? Maybe Richard Nixon was the anti-Christ ?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Exactly; idols represent the works of our hands.
Today's technical marvels are the sorceries people today worship (Revelation 9:21).
They don't represent. They are idols.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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It is true that a large number of Trump's constituents are they who claim themselves as Christians, which makes it very ironic, considering Trump constantly trashes the truth.
In effect these so called Christians are advocating for lies to supercede truth.
President Trump is not the epitome of evil. Recognise the times.
 

louis

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I see. And this makes Donald Trump the possible anti-Christ ? Maybe Richard Nixon was the anti-Christ ?
Like I've stated already twice: I am not sure who the mouth/the Anti-Christ/the false prophet is, but whoever he, she, or it is, Trump certainly fills the bill with the criteria from scriptures I previously posted.
So even if the mouth isn't Trump, whoever it is will have many of the same negative characteristics of our current President.
 
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Like I've stated already twice: I am not sure who the mouth/the Anti-Christ/the false prophet is, but whoever he, she, or it is, Trump certainly fills the bill with the criteria from scriptures I previously posted.
So even if the mouth isn't Trump, whoever it is will have many of the same negative characteristics of our current President.
Why is it that people want to make more of Trump, in a negative or positive way, than he is?
He is what he is and nothing more.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Trump does not fit the bill

1. The leader will be charismatic, and everyone will want to follow him (everyone hates trump) This is enough to know trump is not him but there is more
2. the leader will come from Rome (Europe), The US is not Rome
3. The leader will be against God, I am not sure Trump is against God. what churches is he attacking?
 
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Why is it that people want to make more of Trump, in a negative or positive way, than he is?
He is what he is and nothing more.
24/7 media coverage for 2 consecutive years designed to elicit extremely divisive responses. Desperate for hope, or need a safe target to vent frustration on when not well informed or brave enough to have a unique opinion in an extremely politically correct society.