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hmm, when in the history of the world has the gospel not been delivered to the gentiles.
Just asking. Especially since all through out the OT. Gentiles were being delivered the gospel throughout. Even one Jew spent three days in the belly of a fish because he refused to give the gospel to a gentile city..
Just asking. Especially since all through out the OT. Gentiles were being delivered the gospel throughout. Even one Jew spent three days in the belly of a fish because he refused to give the gospel to a gentile city..
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No you did not, You spent very little time even addressing ezek 37. And when I brought the point out that what you said in your post concerning ezek 37 could not possibly be translated by acts 2. All you did was attack me again, And tell me you can not see how I CAN NOT SEE HOW PEACE WAS RESTORED (yet another attack)
How do you expect me to give you any leeway when all you do every time we talk is attack?
Yeah, You responded with another ATTACK, and soured me, why do you think I did not even read anything else you posted in that post? You do not try to convince people of a spiritual truth you want to show them by attacking them and then expect them to read everything you have to say.
Lets take a look..(not that you will listen to a word I say, You never have....
Concerning being one nation in the land.. you said this
And this is one nation? Do you even know what a nation is? A nation has a soverign ruler. It lives in its own border, It is not enslaved by foreign leaders, It is not bound by foreign rules and regulations. It is not paying taxes to foreign leaders.
This is an organization, or is living under roman tyranny, Who is blessed by God while under than tyranny, Much the same way Daniel was blessed when he was held under Babylonian rule.
You continued.
That perverse generation had been around for a few centuries. Most of the people in that group was most likely martyred, many probably died in 70 AD when rome savaged them, Peter was crucified, Steven was stoned..
And this looks like peace??
Then you continued, In response to God taking the LAND OF JUDAH and putting them all in EXILE because they failed to obey the lord God according to lev 26.. your reponse?
LEV 26 spoke of the WHOLE LAND, the WHOLE NATION, You do not fulfill a promised punishment by just taking away a city.
God did not promise to just destroy the city of Jerusalem, and take away its inhabitants, Jerusalem is just a small peace of land in the WHOLE NATION. When Syria defeated isreal. THE WHOLE NATIONS WAS DESTROYED. No one was left. the only people who made it were those who left and went to Judah. The rest where utterly destroyed, Isreal (the borthern kingdom) ceased to exist.
But the 12 tribes were saved, why? many of then fled and went to Judah, God kept a remant even then.
should I even bother going on??
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no we are not. But that is the same way with a lot of people
This is a bible discussion forum, If your going to post a view, expect to have that view questioned by people who do not agree.
I do not know why it is only a select few in here seem to have trouble responding to people who do not agree with them.. when most of the people in here have no issue..
This is a bible discussion forum, If your going to post a view, expect to have that view questioned by people who do not agree.
I do not know why it is only a select few in here seem to have trouble responding to people who do not agree with them.. when most of the people in here have no issue..
Very well. The first time we have a record of the gospel being preached to the Gentiles is in Acts 2 because among those present on that day were proselytes to Judaism. The first Gentile convert that was recorded is the conversion of the Eunuch in chapter 8. The first uncircumcised Gentiles received the gospel in Chapter 1 in the conversion of Cornelius. This is the time of the Gentiles.
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So your saying when Jonah told Ninevah to repent, He was not showing them the gospel? Wow. How did people of the OT get saved anyway?
A no gentile was saved in the OT?
I do not think you are thinking this out very clearly. I am asking you direct questions to try to get you to think..
scripturally, the time of the gentiles has been going on since Babylon took over jerusalem, and is has not ended today. this (gospel) view of the time of the gentile does not make sense, Gentiles were saved long before Isreal became a nation, While they were a nation, and will be saved long after the nation is restored again.
A no gentile was saved in the OT?
I do not think you are thinking this out very clearly. I am asking you direct questions to try to get you to think..
scripturally, the time of the gentiles has been going on since Babylon took over jerusalem, and is has not ended today. this (gospel) view of the time of the gentile does not make sense, Gentiles were saved long before Isreal became a nation, While they were a nation, and will be saved long after the nation is restored again.
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[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
which begs th question, If this is true, what happens to Jerusalem and the captives which are led to the other nations, when this "time of the gentile" is fulfilled?
which begs th question, If this is true, what happens to Jerusalem and the captives which are led to the other nations, when this "time of the gentile" is fulfilled?
Yes, this is talking about the destruction. Paul makes this connection in Rom. 11:25-32. "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, so that you will not be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, 'THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, wHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.' From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all."
Brother oldhermit,
What about the time, when it says "until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled"?
Doesn't it mean that there will come a time when the gentiles won't control Jerusalem, that Israel will control the city again?
What are your thoughts on the restoration of Israel to Jerusalem, as relating to Lk 21:20-24?
I am not really sure what the implications would be regarding the Jews regaining control of the City. We know that Jesus said that this city would be destroyed and it was because of the hardening of the hearts of Israel. Along with the destruction of the city was the total destruction of the temple and it would never be rebuilt. Perhaps some of the questions people have regarding the issue of Jerusalem stems from a lack of understanding what the true Jerusalem is, also what true Israel is.
Brother EG, if you are not offended by the initials,
Lk 21:20-24, I'm interested in this passage because of it's simplicity.
According to these verses, all that has to happen for the times of the gentiles to end, is to have Israel in control of Jerusalem again. This has further prophetic implications.
If you want to apply other verses to this passage, to make additional requirements for the fulfillment of the ToG's to end, that can be discussed.
But in Lk 21:20-24, I don't see any other requirements.
Lk 21:20-24, I'm interested in this passage because of it's simplicity.
According to these verses, all that has to happen for the times of the gentiles to end, is to have Israel in control of Jerusalem again. This has further prophetic implications.
If you want to apply other verses to this passage, to make additional requirements for the fulfillment of the ToG's to end, that can be discussed.
But in Lk 21:20-24, I don't see any other requirements.