I'm sorry...There is a catching up of the bride who meets Him in the air. He does not come to Earth as in...His feet do not touch the ground....Nobody sees Him but the bride....Seven years later, He comes with the bride, all the saints are gathered from the four corners of the Earth and from that time He reigns in the Earth. His feet are on the ground. He has come back. Everybody sees Him And all His enemies are walking with a wide tread.
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Respectfully Denadii, I disagree with this too. We have to walk in peace at all times. Then allow the anointing to give us what we need for the 'junk' that is coming at us.
It's only lies and there is a spirit working in the lie. Discern the spirit and then give the truth. For the Word has power to fight being life and spirit.
Let Him defend Himself through you.
This is not easy for us to do by the way. I just failed here with my husband and got angry. Words that I don't even mean came. So repentance and forgiveness is the basis we all need to adhere to.
I'll give you only six verses....Then you decide it there is a time for Christians to fight....
1 Corinthians 15:32
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
1 Corinthians 9:26
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth...Even God fights.
1 Corinthians 15:32
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
1 Corinthians 9:26
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth...Even God fights.
If he knows you and you know him, why the pursuit?
This is like the old Pentecostal distinctive of pushing a service to work up a move of God....we are the move of God...we do not need revival...we are the revival...no need to pursue what you are already in relationship with....you instinctively do the things to grow the relationship...all out of reverent fear and love for what he did for us...
This is like the old Pentecostal distinctive of pushing a service to work up a move of God....we are the move of God...we do not need revival...we are the revival...no need to pursue what you are already in relationship with....you instinctively do the things to grow the relationship...all out of reverent fear and love for what he did for us...
I never hinted once that we aren't in a battle Denadii. We are. Did you know though...the logos is compared to a knife in greek, and the rhema is the saber sword in the mouth of Jesus.
That is what I am saying. Let the prophetic Word through Holy Spirit come out. Rest in the anointing that you are given. And speak in power. There is the victory of battle.
That is what I am saying. Let the prophetic Word through Holy Spirit come out. Rest in the anointing that you are given. And speak in power. There is the victory of battle.
This is categorically denied everywhere in scripture....this is where the fallacy of a super secret nobody knows rapture is easily refuted in scripture...
Acts 1.9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
Zechariah 14.4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
There is one return and that is the Day of The Lord...not a super secret catching away that only certain people see....and then the Day of the Lord....I assure you when the sky splits open it will be a very well known fact that he has come back....even the lost and sinner and slave to the beast will know its him....the Bible says so in Romans 1
If you are alive on the day of the Lord, then that is when we will be caught up in the air with him and changed instantly as 1 COr 15 says...
Acts 1.9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
Zechariah 14.4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
There is one return and that is the Day of The Lord...not a super secret catching away that only certain people see....and then the Day of the Lord....I assure you when the sky splits open it will be a very well known fact that he has come back....even the lost and sinner and slave to the beast will know its him....the Bible says so in Romans 1
If you are alive on the day of the Lord, then that is when we will be caught up in the air with him and changed instantly as 1 COr 15 says...
There is really only 1 verse here that talks about our fight....you are not fighting Paul, Michael, or Jesus fight are you?
Are you even comprehending the verses you are proof texting here?
The only fight we are exhorted to fight anywhere in the Bible is 1 Tim 6.12 and good for you for listing it....EPh 6.10-18 is not even about fighting.....although many silly misguided wannbe deliverance profits have made a fortune convincing Christians to engage in a false war called "spiritual warfare" we wrestle with the enemy but wrestling is not fighting...spiritual warfare in regards to how Jesus and Paul showed us is real....most of the stuff people pass off as Spiritual warfare is not
I have not shared anything that indicated otherwise. The last trump is the pre trib rapture event. Jesus has not touched down on earth at the last trump which is blown all at the same time as all the six other trumps when the world as we know it, is being changed to different atmosphere in the world for the coming great tribulation.
Unless I missed a verse in any of those seven trumps where He had touched down, but I do not believe I had missed it.
I think it is an assumption to believe that the last trump is referring to the end of the great tribulation when it is really at the pre trib rapture.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,[SUP] 52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
That is why I say that the seven trumps announcing an event; each for a change in the world, is all blown at once so that at the last trump.... when Jesus descends... is the pre trib rapture event wherein destruction immediately follows.
The seven seals on a scroll ALL has to be broken for the contents of the scroll to come forth to be known and so it is the same for the seven trumpets as each announce a change in the world so that when it is blown, it will be as one trump; from the first to the last trump as the world as we know it will be changed dramatically at the pre trib rapture where destruction follows when Jesus sends fire on the earth after receiving the bride in Christ as the Bridegroom.
Unless I missed a verse in any of those seven trumps where He had touched down, but I do not believe I had missed it.
I think it is an assumption to believe that the last trump is referring to the end of the great tribulation when it is really at the pre trib rapture.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,[SUP] 52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
That is why I say that the seven trumps announcing an event; each for a change in the world, is all blown at once so that at the last trump.... when Jesus descends... is the pre trib rapture event wherein destruction immediately follows.
The seven seals on a scroll ALL has to be broken for the contents of the scroll to come forth to be known and so it is the same for the seven trumpets as each announce a change in the world so that when it is blown, it will be as one trump; from the first to the last trump as the world as we know it will be changed dramatically at the pre trib rapture where destruction follows when Jesus sends fire on the earth after receiving the bride in Christ as the Bridegroom.
That is not how you are to reprove my post.
Prove how I am applying His words wrong by showing that the last trump, as being the seventh of the seven trumpets in Revelation is to be blown at end of the great tribulation.
I am open to correction. So feel free to correct by the scriptures.
When you read how each trumpet changes the atmosphere in the world in Revelation, then He may help you to see that this happened at the pre trib rapture event, otherwise.... that is going to be one very short great tribulation period.. not even seven years long, but a day.
Prove how I am applying His words wrong by showing that the last trump, as being the seventh of the seven trumpets in Revelation is to be blown at end of the great tribulation.
I am open to correction. So feel free to correct by the scriptures.
When you read how each trumpet changes the atmosphere in the world in Revelation, then He may help you to see that this happened at the pre trib rapture event, otherwise.... that is going to be one very short great tribulation period.. not even seven years long, but a day.
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Did you come to this understanding through self study or did some one teach you personally or through a book?
The time of tribulation begins at the opening of the first seal and concludes at the sound of the seventh (last) trump.
At the sound of the seventh (last) trump, Jesus returns and I Corinthians 15:52 is fulfilled. At that time God pours out the seven bowls of His wrath on the earth.
The time of tribulation begins at the opening of the first seal and concludes at the sound of the seventh (last) trump.
At the sound of the seventh (last) trump, Jesus returns and I Corinthians 15:52 is fulfilled. At that time God pours out the seven bowls of His wrath on the earth.