Jacob's wives

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Bladerunner

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All of Jacobs wives were Hebrew, just because they two of them were maids does not make them gentiles, and none of them were Jewish because the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and he was not born yet.
Generally speaking, the terms Hebrews, Jews, and Israelites all refer to the same people- the nation which sprang from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, a nation promised and chosen by God in the Old Testament (Genesis 12:1-3)
 
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"Branch of Jesse" (Isaiah 11:1) refers to Jesus' lineage
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"Key of David" (Isaiah 22:22) again refers to Jesus' lineage

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miknik5

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All of Jacobs wives were Hebrew, just because they two of them were maids does not make them gentiles, and none of them were Jewish because the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and he was not born yet.
A Jewish woman did not make a handmaiden out if her "Jewish sister".
 

miknik5

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All of Jacobs wives were Hebrew, just because they two of them were maids does not make them gentiles, and none of them were Jewish because the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and he was not born yet.
The Jewish people had servants. They did not make servants out of their Jewiish brothers/sisters
 

miknik5

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All of Jacobs wives were Hebrew, just because they two of them were maids does not make them gentiles, and none of them were Jewish because the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and he was not born yet.
However, all of Jacob's wives (because they were joined to and accounted to his family) were made "Hebrews"
 
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Generally speaking, the terms Hebrews, Jews, and Israelites all refer to the same people- the nation which sprang from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, a nation promised and chosen by God in the Old Testament (Genesis 12:1-3)
Don't forget Esau, [Russia] actually they sprang from Adam and Eve, they were chosen to bring forth the birth of Christ. God bless
 
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However, all of Jacob's wives (because they were joined to and accounted to his family) were made "Hebrews"
They were not Jewish they were Hebrew, they had servants that were Hebrew, they even had slaves that were Hebrew, you cannot make a colored man white. God bless
 

miknik5

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Don't forget Cain then

And don't forget that all men came forth from one man, Adam.

Initially there was no division.
 
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Don't forget Cain then

And don't forget that all men came forth from one man, Adam.

Initially there was no division.
Mankind was created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, on the eight day God created a farmer to till the soil, he formed Adam, the Hebrew. This might come as a surprise to you but Cains father was satan. God bless
 

miknik5

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Mankind was created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, on the eight day God created a farmer to til the soil, he formed Adam, the Hebrew. This might come as a surprise to you but Cains father was satan. God bless
Oh I've heard this story before.
 

miknik5

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Satan certainly can't have it said that out of one man (and his wife Eve as the mother of all living) came the whole human race
 

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Don't forget Esau, [Russia]
And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me with that same red pottage
for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”

And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him
and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
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“Edom” means, literally,“red soup,”and is so translated
remember the fact that “Edom” now refers to Esau

the name Edom refer to the descendants of Esau,
primarily the Turkish nation today.
 

prove-all

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Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn

And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment;
and they called his name Esau.

And after that came his brother out,and his hand took
hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob

The Eternal said to Rebekah,regarding Esau and Jacob,
that they were the beginning of two nations

“two manner of people, one shall be stronger than other
“and the elder shall serve the younger”(Genesis 25:23).
 

prove-all

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“And Jacob said unto his father,I am Esau thy firstborn 27:19

Jacob tricked Esaus and took his father’s blessing,
so Isaac blessed Jacob” (verses 21-23).

Therefore God give thee (Jacob) of the dew of heaven
and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine
increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and
nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren

and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that
curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee” Gen 27:26-29

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Isaac kinda cursed Esau,“Behold,thy dwelling shall be away
from the fatness of the earth,the dew of heaven from above;

And by thy sword shalt thou live,shalt serve thy brother;
and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion
that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
-A future meaning, And Esau hated Jacob …” (verses 39-41).

where material blessing of wealth in the things of the ground added,
heathen nations shall be ruled by the birthright nations of Israel

And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth
and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east
and to the north,and to the south(Genesis 28:14-14).

-Israel shall eventually spread around the world
as dust of the ground,and sands of the sea shore.

Genesis 28:15 “I am with thee, and will keep thee
in all places whither thou goest,and will bring thee again
into this land; for I will not leave thee,
until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of”


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But after years of trial and test—after finally wrestling all night
with the angel (Genesis 32:24-29)after confessing his name as “supplanter”

God bestowed His blessing upon Jacob, and took away
his reproachful name, and gave him a new, untainted name,


Israel—which means “prevailer,” or “overcomer with God.”
God appeared to Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. Gen35:11

through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
the promises were handed down to one man at a time
 

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The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).



The spiritual promises,the promises of the “one seed,”Christ,
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter promise.

But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
 

miknik5

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And it was already fore spoken that he would be a wild donkey of a man with his hand against his brother


Esau was first in the natural order and should have had the birthrights of a first born son according to the fleshly order

but GOD once again shows that it isn't based on that at all

aa to the "red soup"?

esau had more of an interest in temperal "food"
 

miknik5

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The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).



The spiritual promises,the promises of the “one seed,”Christ,
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter promise.

But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Same response
it isn't the physical land in and of itself that makes itself holy because lots of blood is indeed found in the land, but the ONE who declares it holy makes it holy by HIS declaring it so
 

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And it was already fore spoken that he would be a wild donkey of a man with his hand against his brother


Esau was first in the natural order and should have had the birthrights of a first born son according to the fleshly order

but GOD once again shows that it isn't based on that at all

aa to the "red soup"?

esau had more of an interest in temperal "food"
Esau by selling his birthright for dirt cheep,
in a way dispised his inheritance of the birth right.
those awsume promises where from God, but he rejected them prety quick


and his brother then prevailed above him
 

miknik5

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Esau by selling his birthright for dirt cheep,
in a way dispised his inheritance of the birth right.
those awsume promises where from God, but he rejected them prety quick


and his brother then prevailed above him
I agree

was it a surprise to GOD that Esau would do this?
 

prove-all

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I agree

was it a surprise to GOD that Esau would do this?
that is a question that would be obvious, why ask


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The Eternal said to Rebekah,regarding Esau and Jacob,
that they were the beginning of two nations

“two manner of people, one shall be stronger than other
“and the elder shall serve the younger”(Genesis 25:23).
 
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