Jacob's wives

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miknik5

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that is a question that would be obvious, why ask


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The Eternal said to Rebekah,regarding Esau and Jacob,
that they were the beginning of two nations

“two manner of people, one shall be stronger than other
“and the elder shall serve the younger”(Genesis 25:23).
Well that is more milder than what is said in Malachi regarding Esau
 

miknik5

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Two manners of people sir?

one loved and the other?

and both from the same mother
 
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psalm6819

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It most certainly does. An advocacy for polygamy was always prevalent in the bible.

ummm, not advocacy, maybe you don't know what that word means.

Advocacy
definition, the act of pleading for, supporting, or recommending; active espousal: He was known for his advocacy of states' rights.

The Bible NEVER promoted more than one wife, it reports truthfully what happened.

God's model was Adam (one man) Eve (one wife).
 

NotmebutHim

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"When you see a fork in the road, take it" - Yogi Berra
 

miknik5

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"When you see a fork in the road, take it" - Yogi Berra
It is not even in a strong man to direct his own steps
trust in the lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE shall direct your steps
 
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Shall we discuss?
It's under the circumstance that ;

1) the patriarchs and ancestors of Israel refused to establish inter-marriage with the Canaanites who worshiped idol gods.
That's why Lot's daughters would like to preserve offspring for Lot. It has nothing to do with sexual desire

2) It may be difficult for a Hebrew man or woman to find another Hebrew for marriage, that's why Abraham has to go a long way back to marry his sister. It has nothing to do with sexual desire but the continuity of a family (the Jews) who is faithful to God.

God thus allows these to happen for the continuity of the Jewish families until their population grows and for the Jews to survive history to bring forward God's messages.

However this is no longer the case in Moses time. At that time, some Jews have many wives purely for their sexual desire as population is no longer an issue. The Egyptians actually killed their children to avoid their population growth. Just as Jesus said, Moses allowed them to have many wives because their hearts were hard.
 

miknik5

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It's under the circumstance that ;

1) the patriarchs and ancestors of Israel refused to establish inter-marriage with the Canaanites who worshiped idol gods.
That's why Lot's daughters would like to preserve offspring for Lot. It has nothing to do with sexual desire

2) It may be difficult for a Hebrew man or woman to find another Hebrew for marriage, that's why Abraham has to go a long way back to marry his sister. It has nothing to do with sexual desire but the continuity of a family (the Jews) who is faithful to God.

God thus allows these to happen for the continuity of the Jewish families until their population grows and for the Jews to survive history to bring forward God's messages.

However this is no longer the case in Moses time. At that time, some Jews have many wives purely for their sexual desire as population is no longer an issue. The Egyptians actually killed their children to avoid their population growth. Just as Jesus said, Moses allowed them to have many wives because their hearts were hard.
Ah? "Thanks"

i NEVER said it did
in fact I specifically said it had NOHING to do with flesh at all
 

miknik5

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Sir. God simply blessed HIS people during their oppression. They outnumbered their enemies because God blessed HIS children with offspring

You have assumed they had many wives but that is never said.


In fact if that were the case there would have been no need for CHRIST to being up the practice of giving one's wife a certificate of divorce simply so as to satisfy the flesh with a new "wife"

if if this was the norm in the time of Moses, then the men if GOD would have simply added to their house an additional wife and would have had no need to send away their first wives
 
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miknik5

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Sending away a married wife made her a defiled woman and age would have no hope of any inheritance since it was based on her husbands line/tribe/house and her being tied to that house/tribe/line through marriage

by the way, Moses was married to a "gentile" wife yet she did the works of one Covenanted to GOD because of her love for her bridegroom. And because of it she turned GOD's anger towards Moses away
 

miknik5

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And Miriam, Moses' own sister and of his own blood, well her grumblings against Moses and his midianite wife kind of turned GOD's anger upon herself?kind of turned GOD's anger upon herself because her grumblings were as grumbling against GOD
 
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Thanks for the rep, contentious issue for some, but the truth needs to be acknowledged.
 
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Satan certainly can't have it said that out of one man (and his wife Eve as the mother of all living) came the whole human race
Eve is the mother of all living because from her would come Christ and all who believe on him will live, and those who don't are not considered alive.
 
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Sending away a married wife made her a defiled woman and age would have no hope of any inheritance since it was based on her husbands line/tribe/house and her being tied to that house/tribe/line through marriage

by the way, Moses was married to a "gentile" wife yet she did the works of one Covenanted to GOD because of her love for her bridegroom. And because of it she turned GOD's anger towards Moses away
Don't you know Hebrews were not allowed to marry out of there race, Moses married the daughter of a Midian priest, to be a Median priest you must be from the tribe of Midian and can only marry a Median woman, Median was the son of Abraham with his second wife Kuturah. Gen.25:1-2
 

miknik5

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Don't you know Hebrews were not allowed to marry out of there race, Moses married the daughter of a Midian priest, to be a Median priest you must be from the tribe of Midian and can only marry a Median woman, Median was the son of Abraham with his second wife Kuturah. Gen.25:1-2
Didn't you follow the whole conversation or just the end of it?

GOD made man
man separated man from man based on outward names


GOD didnt

in fact HE came to bring the two together in ONE BODY

Eve was the mother of all living and she brought forth her children (both male and female) of perishable seed And that seed is passed down to ALL MEN (WOMEN)

Yet Eve is not the one who brought forth the savior. Even that mother who had no husband was distinguished from her husband as the one who would bring forth the savior.

Dont you know the genealogical (spiritual) line comes from the father passed down to his generational sons?

who is JESUS' FATHER?
do you think HIS SEED is pwrishable? And doesn't HE have the RIGHT to call whom HE will call HIS OWN LOVED AND CHOSEN
 
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miknik5

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Jacob's wives were tied to Jacob and bore children to that family which was called and renamed and accepted by GOD as Israel

and yet. Even in this not all who say they are of Israel are of ISRAEL
Not that we have the right to call and declare

But HE does
And HE does