James's Faith With Works VS Paul's Faith Without Works

[FlyingDove]

Again,James 5 is sidestepped. Ch 5 teaches us he is writing to believers. Complete with elders,healing,church,and forgiveness outside of Jewish law.

Your response could be, that James is suggesting to All 12 TRIBES,what to do if a Jew is sick????
Go to a church????

Lets go with the obvious. James written to believers.

You go with that, I'll stick with what scripture say's:

James 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Written """"to the twelve tribes""" the Israelites.

BTW David, you sidestepped James 2:2.

And finally Strongs #G4864 Translates James 2:2 synagogue
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...&strongs=g4864

 

[FlyingDove]

And yet James Ch 5 tells us it is written to the church.

You skip over it.
It is indeed testifying against ALL you are saying.

You need to show me where the synagogue had elders praying for the sick and forgiveness obtained outside Jewish law.

Good grief, the 12 Tribes are a Nation, not a Church.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Written """"to the twelve tribes""" of Israel.

God changed Jacobs name to Israel (Genesis 35:10). """The 12 Tribes are Jacobs sons""". Each receiving a portion of Land in Israel. Except Levi. Joseph got a double portion Ephraim and Manasseh. So, James is written to the 12 Tribes of Israel.

REREAD James 1:1!

And finally Strongs #G4864 Translates """"""""""James 2:2 synagogue"""""""""""
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...&strongs=g4864

 

[garee]

Maybe we should start at the beginning...who is the book of James addressed? Don't look at commentaries, but look to James 1:1 for the answer.

If its in the bible its addressed to who ever has ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

[garee]

You go with that, I'll stick with what scripture say's:

James 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Written """"to the twelve tribes""" the Israelites.

BTW David, you sidestepped James 2:2.

And finally Strongs #G4864 Translates James 2:2 synagogue
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...&strongs=g4864

God is no respecter of person.If he is speaking to a Jew he is speaking to a gentile .there are no private messages that would affect the outward flesh of one man over and above that of another.

Twelve is a number set aside to represent the authority of God in respect to tribes as gates it represent all who had the Spirit of Christ on the old testament side of the cross. Using twelve in respect to the word apostles as those sent out from the heavenly city prepared as His bride represent all the saints on this side of the cross.

A study of Revelation 21 makes that parable as to its hidden spiritual understanding clear.

 

[garee]

Good grief, the 12 Tribes are a Nation, not a Church.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Written """"to the twelve tribes""" of Israel.

God changed Jacobs name to Israel (Genesis 35:10). """The 12 Tribes are Jacobs sons""". Each receiving a portion of Land in Israel. Except Levi. Joseph got a double portion Ephraim and Manasseh. So, James is written to the 12 Tribes of Israel.

REREAD James 1:1!

And finally Strongs #G4864 Translates """"""""""James 2:2 synagogue"""""""""""
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...&strongs=g4864

The twelve tribes are used to represent the church just as in the same exact way of the twelve apostles . Same church same bride.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the "twelve tribes" of the children of Israel:On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the "twelve apostles" of the Lamb.Rev 21:14

 

[garee]

BOTH were talking about faith which preceded works.

Both were talking about works of Christ's faith . They cannot be separate or the lack of Christ's faith ends up with dead works offered towards him . The kind spoken of in Hebrews 6:1

It boils down to what kind of faith do we attribute to God who does work in us? Most Christians I have met shrink from acknowledging God works by faith to begin with so they start to divide that which cannot be divided.

Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Whose faith worked with whose works?

If he was justified by works it becomes by whose work of faith? Therefore that of Christ as a faith or belief that did work with his works, to make his faith as to what Christ believed complete or perfect.

Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Nothing above is attributed to either Rehab or Abraham .if it was they would have something to boast about. But they are not in the place of God (Blasphemy)

That kind of work that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure cannot be divided between one and the same things a “work of faith”. it’s all one work. Faith is a living work

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

This is the same work of faith that worked in both rehab and Abraham (not of there own self)

If we would have the mutual work of Christ’s faith in respect to Abraham or Rehab we have already blasphemed the holy name by which we are called and moved to perform it.

Jam 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.....( Abraham or Rehab)

The conclusion...

Jam 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

In that way by a work of His faith he performs the things appointed to us as he did with both Rehab and Abraham . Apart from His work of faith that works in us we cannot do anything that pertains to the promise of our new incorruptible bodies..

But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.For he performeth "the thing that is appointed for me": and many such things are with him.Job 23:14

It is Christ who made the hearts of both Rehab and Abraham soft

Job 23:16 For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me

Who is it that makes any sinners heart soft?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Good grief, the 12 Tribes are a Nation, not a Church.

At the time that James was writing, the twelve tribes were DEFINITELY NOT a nation. They has not been a a nation since about 1,000 BC. And they are still not a nation since no one knows the whereabouts of ten tribes.

But of course you won't give up your incorrect understanding of James even if the facts contradict you. James was writing to all Hebrew Christians (a term for which you have an aversion), and by extension to THE WHOLE CHURCH.

 

[FlyingDove]

At the time that James was writing, the twelve tribes were DEFINITELY NOT a nation. They has not been a a nation since about 1,000 BC. And they are still not a nation since no one knows the whereabouts of ten tribes.

But of course you won't give up your incorrect understanding of James even if the facts contradict you. James was writing to all Hebrew Christians (a term for which you have an aversion), and by extension to THE WHOLE CHURCH.

LOLOLO, 100% wrong of your first point & 100% wrong on your 2nd. Don't give up, keep trying, even a blind squirrel eventually find a nut.

 

[garee]

LOLOLO, 100% wrong of your first point & 100% wrong on your 2nd. Don't give up, keep trying, even a blind squirrel eventually find a nut.

God uses tribes to represent gates needed to enter into fellowship And uses apostles as foundation walls to describe the same bride of Christ the church. We are not to glory in the flesh of any nation . The time of refomation came over two thousand years ago its about a new creation made from all the nations in the world.

Tribes as gates and those sent apostles as foundation walls make up the wife of Christ. There are not two wife's, two churches .We are the temple of God . We are no longer considered Jew or Gentile, male or female .What we are is not what we will be.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.Rev 21:9