Jesus drank wine on occation is that correct???

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Matt37777

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Luke 7....

33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ 35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”

Plus the water to wine miricle.


So wouldn't this suggest that Jesus had perhaps the occational glass of wine? That's why I don't know why some people make such a big deal about some of this stuff. It's like they think if you have one drink you've become an alcholic or something. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

But did Jesus drink? Or am I reading that verse wrong?
 
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Matt37777 said:
Luke 7....

33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ 35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”

Plus the water to wine miricle.


So wouldn't this suggest that Jesus had perhaps the occational glass of wine? That's why I don't know why some people make such a big deal about some of this stuff. It's like they think if you have one drink you've become an alcholic or something. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

But did Jesus drink? Or am I reading that verse wrong?
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What they drunk isn't on the market. It was extremely mild. This is what people drunk most of the
time.
 
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Matt37777

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Trax said:
What they drunk isn't on the market. It was extremely mild. This is what people drunk most of the
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Like the stuff you buy at the grocery store that's .5% (basically considered non alcholoic?) But how do you know that?
 
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Before Jesus was here the wine from Noah's own vineyard got him drunk enough to cause him to pass out,
to have to drink enough 0.5% alcohol by volume wine to get that drunk he likely would have drown himself first before even becoming tipsy
It even describes the fermentation process in the bible bursting the wine skins
this doesnt happen unless yeast converts sugar to alcohol
they knew how to make alcoholic wine
Which is why the bible suggests not to let yourself be given too much wine to become drunk on

In that day usually they served the cheap wine first as people were likely to get tipsy then they brought out the good stuff so it wasnt wasted by people getting drunk on
The wine Jesus made was recognized by the people of the banquet as the best being brought out first, before they became tipsy
 
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MidniteWelder said:
Before Jesus was here the wine from Noah's own vineyard got him drunk enough to cause him to pass out,
to have to drink enough 0.5% alcohol by volume wine to get that drunk he likely would have drown himself first before even becoming tipsy
It even describes the fermentation process in the bible bursting the wine skins
this doesnt happen unless yeast converts sugar to alcohol
they knew how to make alcoholic wine
Which is why the bible suggests not to let yourself be given too much wine to become drunk on
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I think in our culture everything is done to excess. Like I'm sure even our dishes are 10 times bigger than back then. So Like a glass of wine back then was half the size of now a days. So everyone gets drunk now a days and then anyone with any moral fiber thinks drinking is so bad. It's not, it's getting drunk and or ending up with an addiction that's bad. But the odd drink isn't that bad I don't think. But someone who doesn't drink wouldn't like the taste of alcohol anyway.
 
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The word οἶνος is the word most often used and can refer to both firmented wine and fresh wine or new wine that hand not yet had time to firment. This is the difference pointed out in the wedding event when Jesus turned the water into wine. This wine was regarded as good or better wine because there was no firmentation process. The wine was fresh. This is the wine that was customarily served first. After the guests had drunk their fill the older wine was then served.
 
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Trax said:
What they drunk isn't on the market. It was extremely mild. This is what people drunk most of the
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They called Him a drunkard. Whatever out was, it got him tipsy.

Even today when we call someone a drunk, is it because they on occasion sip?
 
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Matt37777 said:
Luke 7....

33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ 35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”

Plus the water to wine miricle.


So wouldn't this suggest that Jesus had perhaps the occational glass of wine? That's why I don't know why some people make such a big deal about some of this stuff. It's like they think if you have one drink you've become an alcholic or something. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

But did Jesus drink? Or am I reading that verse wrong?
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I enjoy a nice glass of wine. Dry red. If I'm feeling adventurous, I might even have two (especially with a nice Italian dinner) :) Sometimes the occasional beer (big gasp from the crowd :eek: ) I read it that Jesus did have a glass of wine here and there. And I'm pretty certain that He knew what moderation meant :)
 
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Matt37777 said:
Luke 7....

33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ 35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”

Plus the water to wine miricle.


So wouldn't this suggest that Jesus had perhaps the occational glass of wine? That's why I don't know why some people make such a big deal about some of this stuff. It's like they think if you have one drink you've become an alcholic or something. I'm not saying it's for everyone.

But did Jesus drink? Or am I reading that verse wrong?
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Yes..Jesus drank plenty of wine as scripture tells us.

There is nothing wrong with this, as He, Himself set the example.

People who have an issue with this also think that Jesus was a vegetarian...:)
 
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Bowman said:
Yes..Jesus drank plenty of wine as scripture tells us.

There is nothing wrong with this, as He, Himself set the example.

People who have an issue with this also think that Jesus was a vegetarian...:)
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I guess they forgot to read these verses:

Luke 24
41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.[g] 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.

Yes Jesus drank REAL wine and ate REAL fish (even after His resurrection)

People who have issues with it are rather legalistic in nature. you see some of them in the forums. the current flood is about not going to the doctor or taking medicine because of some twisting of scriptures.
 
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Proverbs 23:31 KJV
(31) Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

This scripture is clear to not touch fermented wine. Did Jesus break his own Law?
 
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Laodicea said:
Proverbs 23:31 KJV
(31) Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

This scripture is clear to not touch fermented wine. Did Jesus break his own Law?
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Jesus said that it is NOT about what goes into your mouth. This verse is not about liquor.
 
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Laodicea

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PatientSpirit said:
Jesus said that it is NOT about what goes into your mouth. This verse is not about liquor.
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If it is not about what goes into the mouth then I can drink poison and it will be ok? Proverbs 23:31 is about alcohol. Strong drink is anything with alcohol.
 
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Laodicea said:
If it is not about what goes into the mouth then I can drink poison and it will be ok? Proverbs 23:31 is about alcohol. Strong drink is anything with alcohol.
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All things are lawful for you, though not expedient. You can drink poison, I just don't think it will profit you much!

This verse is in reference to the cup filled with the blood of the saints.
 
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meh some people will pick any verse and twist to deny alcohol but there is no real declaration about enjoying it responsibly
 
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Alcohol can be easily misused and although one can say they won't drink to the point of getting intoxicated, Satan can use it as an avenue to cause one to fall; we should not be ignorant of the his devices. Before considering these somewhat grey areas such as drinking, smoking, etc., one should ask themselves questions like these: Is it going to cause someone else to stumble? Will it bring glory to God? Will it tarnish my reputation as a Christian?
In addition, drinking has negative implications and is a common factor to issues like domestic violence, drunk driving (which destroys lives), and, especially amongst young adults, going clubbing to get drunk which leads to engaging in sexual activities, trying illicit drugs, and other reckless behaviors. We are to be set apart from the world as Christians (Rom 12:2, Eph 5:11), be filled with the Spirit, and not give place to Satan.
With that being said, while there is no scripture that strictly prohibits consumption of alcoholic beverages, it can evidently lead to drunkenness which is a sin, so it is wise to stay clear of it; Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal 5:21). There is no risk associated with abstinence but there is in indulgence.
 
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I think the word in galatians is the key: drunkenness.

That is where you are over the line, I don't drink, much, none on my own but the occassional wine at mom's I have and they have a 'refresher' (gin and tonic) so I drink that , Peer pressure, I'm AFRAID, VERY AFRAID :eek:

But, no, I can tell you this, with my buddies, when I was 22, I started drinking, it was peer pressure then, almost, they drank, so I did, although, they never made me to, I just did it. But I startted to drink so much, they ordered pitchers and pitchers of Bud and so I drank and I COULD see what was a definite distaste for beer start to change. This WAS a sign from God to me, see, it's sooo weird how I see things, huh, some people :D , but, yeah, I started to LIKE the taste of beer and it was THEN that, friends drinking or not, I STOPPED. 'Course, God had that season in my life stop to, so, yeah, anyway, for what it's worth. Drunkenneess is key and my dad has never drank at all, swears not too, because his reason is not biblical, but just afraid of alcohol and knows what it's done to people for as long as he was a boy ago and just knows that SOME can handle their alcohol quite well and some can:eek:not
 
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Proverbs 23 is about drunkenness and someone addicted to alcohol. Paul tells Timothy to have a little wine and not just water to settle his stomach.

a little wine is fine but to get drunk is wrong.

Proverbs 23
29 Who has woe?
Who has sorrow?
Who has contentions?
Who has complaints?
Who has wounds without cause?
Who has redness of eyes?
30 Those who linger long at the wine,
Those who go in search of mixed wine.
31 Do not look on the wine when it is red,
When it sparkles in the cup,
When it swirls around smoothly;
32 At the last it bites like a serpent,
And stings like a viper.
33 Your eyes will see strange things,
And your heart will utter perverse things.
34 Yes, you will be like one who lies down in the midst of the sea,
Or like one who lies at the top of the mast, saying:
35 “They have struck me, but I was not hurt;
They have beaten me, but I did not feel it.
When shall I awake, that I may seek another drink?”
 
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It's possible as well that back then the culture was different. Almost like drinking wine was the equivalent to drinking any other drink. The people who lived in those times were more primitive. Likely anyone could go buy wine like any other grocery. Now a days everything is extremely civil, robotic, classiefied etc. We have to know the exact alcholoic content on the bottle. You can only buy it when you reach a certain age, at a certain location, in a certain quanitity etc etc. So that would add a lot of stigma to alcohol today as compared to back then. Just a thought.
 
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Jesus drank wine and i dont know what is problem in it?Wine is wine today or 2000years ago and in one particle of wine and bread is whole body and blood of Christ as it is in 1glass of wine full with bread.It is funny for one Christian to dont understand this.Salvation do not comes with drinking of wine,but with repenting communion fast prayers good deeds and many others small thing that one Christian have to do.
 
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