Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

[Ariel82]

alright I read it. He used Ezekiel as a sign unto Israel about what would happen in the future...

His wife represented all he loved in life and in the same way God took her away the same way God will take away the pride of their lives and allow the children to die. what you have not asked is: where is his wife now? Do you believe in Heaven?

20 Then I answered them, “The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 21 ‘Speak to the house of Israel, “Thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I will profane My sanctuary, your arrogant boast, the desire of your eyes, the delight of your soul; and your sons and daughters whom you left behind shall fall by the sword. 22 And you shall do as I have done; you shall not cover your lips nor eat man’s bread of sorrow. 23 Your turbans shall be on your heads and your sandals on your feet; you shall neither mourn nor weep, but you shall pine away in your iniquities and mourn with one another. 24 Thus Ezekiel is a sign to you; according to all that he has done you shall do; and when this comes, you shall know that I am the Lord God.’”

He says how they will not mourn or repent as He ordered Ezekiel not to do as a sign of how strange they thought it to be, as a self judgment of how they do not mourn what should.

however have you read Revelation 21 and the promise there.

the Bible is not about just Judgment but also Redemption and forgiveness and resurrection

 

[ozell]

so you never answered, who trained you?

are you getting this quotes from some website or do you attend a "church" that teaches these things?

Sister

I've been reading and taught the truth for 18 years now

The church I attend is in my profile

I've been on forum for 8 to 10 years now and no I'm not getting off a website

I have put lesson from my church website but not the last 6 topics these are mine

What I do is I look at what the people are postings and I post something similar of it don't coincide with the truth

I know this for sure most chrisitan have the doctrine of a denomination

RCC
Orthodox
Protestants

Which is contrary to the word of God
I know most don't read there bible only what the pastor has shown them
I know that by putting scriptures I know they never read will spark there interest
This is why I post many verses to get someone attention to fellowship
For example
Most Chrisitans don't know that God hates and I know this would be a topic of interest

I've done this topic on other forums and got 10,000 plus views

 

[Ariel82]

wow its 11 pm already. have to get some sleep. have work in the morning and I'm being evaluated....

 

[ozell]

alright I read it. He used Ezekiel as a sign unto Israel about what would happen in the future...

His wife represented all he loved in life and in the same way God took her away the same way God will take away the pride of their lives and allow the children to die. what you have not asked is: where is his wife now? Do you believe in Heaven?

20 Then I answered them, “The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 21 ‘Speak to the house of Israel, “Thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I will profane My sanctuary, your arrogant boast, the desire of your eyes, the delight of your soul; and your sons and daughters whom you left behind shall fall by the sword. 22 And you shall do as I have done; you shall not cover your lips nor eat man’s bread of sorrow. 23 Your turbans shall be on your heads and your sandals on your feet; you shall neither mourn nor weep, but you shall pine away in your iniquities and mourn with one another. 24 Thus Ezekiel is a sign to you; according to all that he has done you shall do; and when this comes, you shall know that I am the Lord God.’”

He says how they will not mourn or repent as He ordered Ezekiel not to do as a sign of how strange they thought it to be, as a self judgment of how they do not mourn what should.

however have you read Revelation 21 and the promise there.

the Bible is not about just Judgment but also Redemption and forgiveness and resurrection

I don't disagree with you

But the God that loves everyone who loves is unconditional killed Ezekiel wife

How can this happen if God love is unconditional

 

[ozell]

wow its 11 pm already. have to get some sleep. have work in the morning and I'm being evaluated....

Have a peaceful night and may the Lord Jesus bless you at work

Peace in Jesus

 

[Ariel82]

Sister

I've been reading and taught the truth for 18 years now

The church I attend is in my profile

I've been on forum for 8 to 10 years now and no I'm not getting off a website

I have put lesson from my church website but not the last 6 topics these are mine

What I do is I look at what the people are postings and I post something similar of it don't coincide with the truth

I know this for sure most chrisitan have the doctrine of a denomination

RCC
Orthodox
Protestants

Which is contrary to the word of God
I know most don't read there bible only what the pastor has shown them
I know that by putting scriptures I know they never read will spark there interest
This is why I post many verses to get someone attention to fellowship
For example
Most Chrisitans don't know that God hates and I know this would be a topic of interest

I've done this topic on other forums and got 10,000 plus views

we might not agree on everything but I do believe more study of the Bible is need by the majority of Christians. demoninations are not always bad but I don't agree 100 percent with any one church I've attended yet. however the basics are important: respect, love and the fruits of the spirit.

the God hates topic? mmm you have to be careful you follow all that law preaching with the Gospel.

Yes God wants people to follow His ways but its not to earn His love but because He already loves them enough to care if they hurt themselves by living lives of sin or to keep them from hurting others.

too often when people talk about sin its about themselves and how hurt they are they do not think of how they have hurt others by their actions at all.

 

[Ariel82]

I don't disagree with you

But the God that loves everyone who loves is unconditional killed Ezekiel wife

How can this happen if God love is unconditional

I'm not sure if I understand your question.

it sounds like you make out death to be a bad thing. I always just thought it was a signal that God wanted you home with Him and that your work on this Earth was done.

Night, God bless and keep you too

(lol even if we don't agree on the word conditional and unconditional)

 

[Ariel82]

lol cked out your profile, that explains a lot more of why we don't agree on certain topics.

part of the Israel roots movement?

 

[Ariel82]

I just pray your doctrines of men don't trip up too many new believers and they just read their Bibles for themselves and pray about it and that God help you out of this too.

18 years and you still don't feel born again or saved? that's something to pray about.

 

[ozell]

Matthew 13:37-43 (KJV)
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one ; [39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. [40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. [41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Why is the unconditional God of love burning the wicked

The wicked are sinners correct?

Yet they will burn

 

[ozell]

I just pray your doctrines of men don't trip up too many new believers and they just read their Bibles for themselves and pray about it and that God help you out of this too.

18 years and you still don't feel born again or saved? that's something to pray about.

this born again and saved doctrine you speak of is taught wrong also


Man is saved when the Lord at the end of time, Jesus saves

To be born again is not a change of mind but a change of body

We are born once into the family of man we are born again into the family of God when Jesus return

The doctrine I teach is from the bible supported by scriptures lots of verses God gives wisdom, knowledge an understanding
As far as new believers if they truly are they will understand what I post

 

[ozell]

lol cked out your profile, that explains a lot more of why we don't agree on certain topics.

part of the Israel roots movement?

Don't know what that is?

What I do Know is we read the bible and believe in the uncut word of God

And the proof is what is discusse here and how easy these topic are to refute by just reading the bible

Here is one for you

Most Christians keep good Friday to Easter Sunday morning
Yet the Jesus of the bible said he would be in the grave 3 days an 3 nights

Who should we believe denominational doctrine or the truth

God gave his word to israel no other nation and I can read this also

 

[ozell]

I'm not sure if I understand your question.

it sounds like you make out death to be a bad thing. I always just thought it was a signal that God wanted you home with Him and that your work on this Earth was done.

Night, God bless and keep you too

(lol even if we don't agree on the word conditional and unconditional)

The teaching of today is that Fod love everyone or his love is unconditional

If this is so then no one should be dying or sick

No one should even die a first or a second death

 

[feedm3]

the question is: If we don't love God, does He still love us?

Did Jesus come for the righteous or the sinner?

Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

How can he love who he never knew? If you dont love him, then you are not keeping his commands, and as HE said not me... depart I never knew you.

So what's your interpretation of that?

He came to save sinners, and give them a way to repent and be reconciled to God. He did not come so we can continue in sin showing we dont love him.

Don't be confused, Jesus came to save sinners from sin. NOT save them from punishment if they choose to continue in sin.

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity


Jn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth


Isa 59:1 Behold, the Lord 's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear

 

[OFM]

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE NEXT TOPIC AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ozell]

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE NEXT TOPIC AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not


What happen to your God unconditional love in the flood

Genesis 6 (KJV)
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [6] And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. [7] And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

 

[carey]

Why does anybody even pay attention to this guy? All he wants to do is argue, he's right the rest of us are wrong, blah, blah, blah

 

[Abiding]

I think the poster is getting Love mixed up with other things.

Like maybe Gods approval, or maybe some reward from a promise, or something else.

 

[Red33]

Anyone that denies the unconditional love of God has another spirit that does not come from God, who is love.

This is your opinion

I can say anyone who believe that God love is unconditional has not read the bible

It's an opinion based upon (1Jn 4). Every believer has the Holy Spirit who reveals this unconditional love from God in the heart as fruit (Rom 5:5, Gal 5:22) and makes it active with all the specifics qualities of (1Cor 13). Not only is the love of God unconditional but is inexhaustible.

Song of Sol 8:6,7
6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
7 Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.

It is a love that...

suffers long, is kind, that envies not, nor boasts itself, is not puffed up or conceited, seeks not its own, is not easily provoked, THINKS NO EVIL, rejoices not in iniquity but rejoices in the truth...

bears all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things, LOVE NEVER FAILS.

These are the inexhaustible qualities that demonstrate the unconditional love of God and never change. Any spirit that does not confess the unconditional love of God that was manifest and commended (Rom 5:8) toward all sinners of the world through God coming in the flesh in the person of His Son, is the spirit of anti-christ and is not from God. To deny the unconditional love of God is to deny the love of the Father who sent His Son (Jn 3:16,17) and to deny the eternal life of the Son (Jn 17:3). The unconditional love of God can not be separated from the life of God which is in the Father and in the Son (Jn 15:10).

 

[Ariel82]

this born again and saved doctrine you speak of is taught wrong also


Man is saved when the Lord at the end of time, Jesus saves

To be born again is not a change of mind but a change of body

We are born once into the family of man we are born again into the family of God when Jesus return

The doctrine I teach is from the bible supported by scriptures lots of verses God gives wisdom, knowledge an understanding
As far as new believers if they truly are they will understand what I post

the born again and saved doctrine is IN the BIBLE.

in the OT and the NT.

you don't understand what it means to be born again into the family of God.

the doctrines you teach twist scripture.

and yes God gives wisdom, knowledge and understanding

I've let you continue with your sense of self righteousness, but to those who want to know: read your Bible.

here are a few of the verses about being born again in THIS life and about how GOD gives people NEW hearts: Keeping the commandments and statutes of God happens when God gives people NEW hearts because then they understand His UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Hope you understand one day what that is soon.

Ezekiel 11:18-20

New King James Version (NKJV)

18 And they will go there, and they will take away all its detestable things and all its abominations from there. 19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them,[a] and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

Either you are a NEW creation in Christ NOW or you are not. if you are not then is it any wonder you don't understand what the Bible talks about when God's people talk about His UNCONDITIONAL love and being BORN AGAIN.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You are right about one thing, I should not worry about the new believers and just trust that the HOLY SPIRIT will allow them to discern truth from lies. I will keep you in my prayers and hope one day soon you will write telling us you know what it truly means to be born again and to be saved, since after 18 years of study with your "church" you still do not feel that you are either.