Jesus is God.... why do some "christians" deny this?

[bluto]

You seem a confused man, and you really cannot help yourself. It is apparent that your knowledge of some scripture is lacking. You lay scripture over scripture and nullify some to squeeze out your own point. And because of it you can only try and ram your ideas down someone’s throat.

You are concerned that I may make you look bad and you are apparently worried that ‘lurkers’ will see you for what your Christian message entails.

Concerning verse Peter 3:15. I would tread very lightly if I were you when you attack another Christian with scripture such as this type, maybe out of pride. It has consequences.

So let me again for the maybe the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] time, answer your latest interpretation of new scripture posed that I’m supposed to just accept without question; where you override several scriptures that say God raised Jesus (1 Cor 6:14 for example). God’s spirit will also raise us up as well. I hope you still believe that God’s spirit raised Jesus from the dead?

One needs to understand that in John 2:19 Jesus is not actually saying he shall raise himself up (...I will raise it up) as you have suggested (A New Temple) and as per other scriptures that you apparently want to ignore. That makes no sense at all. And John 2:22 if you read, for more clarity, said ‘he WAS raised for the dead.’ It did not say he raised himself up from the dead. You have to understand the context again and the word usage and his previous history with the Pharisees.

Jesus was ultimately responsible for his resurrection, fair right. And so when God’s spirit raised him up, Jesus himself was responsible for it. And so he told the Unbelievers (Pharisees) that He would raise (another (new) temple). They did not understand of course. It is a local expression. Like saying the Pharisees killed Jesus and this is in scripture (Acts 5:30), although we know that the Romans actually killed him. The rulers had a significant part in the killing of Jesus though just as Jesus had a significant part in his own resurrection. I cannot make it any clearer for you. Some scripture requires more analysis.

I told you at the start when I realized you just wanted a ‘fight’ and if you wanted me to go down this rabbit hole of yours, you may regret it. And I promised I would answer any scripture you could fly as me where you try and force only your view on me. I believe I have debunked every one of your interpretations of scripture posed, thus far.

I’m confident in my faith and the word of God so why are you not showing the same, in peace and love? If I find I’m wrong I will admit it. This is the only way we can learn in the spirit as we are being led by it.

I’ll pray for you that you have peace in your heart. You can be nice you know and arrest this hostility. It is in your hands.

Have you ever read your messages that you have send to others and me.

In Christ, Always

PS: this is strike 3, so I will not be responding to your responses that you direct at me anymore. You are the most annoying person I've known in years....

You've got to be kidding akap? You making me look bad! I'm not trying to make you look bad because your doing a good job of that all by yourself. And I'm certaintly not "shaken" up regarding 1 Peter 3:15. Now, John 2:19 explicitly states as clear as a bell, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I WILL RAISE IT UP." You then have the Apostle John giving commentary on what Jesus meant at vs21, "But He was speaking of the temple of His body."

Then at vs22, (which you mangled out of context) John says, "Whe therefore He/Jesus WAS RASIED from the dead, His disciples remembered THAT HE/JESUS SAID THIS; (What was it that Jesus said akap at vs19?) and they believed the Scripture, AND THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SPOKEN."

Furthermore, you failed to read what I said here: "First of all Jesus Christ said to the Jews at John 2:19, "Jesus answsered and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I WILL RASIE IT UP." You also have Romans 8:11, "But if the Spirit (the Holy Spirit) of Him, (God the Father) who rasised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He/God the Father who rasised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit (the Holy Spirit) who indwells you."

In other words, you have "select" reading problems because I specifically quoted Romans 8:11 to show that Jesus raised Himself, the Holy Spirit raised Him and so did God the Father. This means that the one God raised Jesus Christ and the one God will raise our mortal bodies as well, that is if your a Christian. And btw, none of this is "my interpretation," it's what the Bible says. You had better get your act together and get right with God before it's too late instead of denying Him.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

I had a friend one time who came to me and told me that he had just discovered that Jesus and Satan are brothers. So Sad!

 

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

I didn't know Jesus was God until I read the scriptures for the first time in 2002. Even though I was baptized and hoped in the Lamb of God even before I was a teenager.

Now I believe the scriptures and they teach (I assert), that Jesus and His Father are One God by the Holy Spirit that they share. But the Father is the Father and the The Son is Son and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit. But let's not start a Trinity vs Oneness debate. Start another thread for that so I know not to click on it.

Your question is very valid as I am reading from this thread that many like myself did not know that Jesus was God when they first became Christians.

 

[Magenta]

I had a friend one time who came to me and told me that he had just discovered that Jesus and Satan are brothers. So Sad!

That is a Mormon belief/deception. (Mormons are also called Latter Day Saints.)

 

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

Jesus will raise the dead, judge the world, forgive sin, be worshiped by all and will be called Lord by everyone. He will save those who have come to Him and cast those who did not into the place made for satan and his angels. He will reign over the world in the temple of God. It is clear that He shares all of Gods attributes and abilities, and even in His glory-

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols."

Zechariah 14:9
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

Excellent post! Don't forget the scriptures that show-

That time in the end where:

1Co 15:24-28
(24) Then comes the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
(27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
(28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

And that time in end where some shall sing a new song:

Rev 14:1-4
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
(2) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
(3) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

And that time in end where the curse is gone and some shall see His face:

Rev 22:3-4
(3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
(4) And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

That is a Mormon belief/deception. (Mormons are also called Latter Day Saints.)

Mormons also teach that God was once a man, and that men can become gods, and that there are many gods who were men that became gods, that its all just one repetitive cycle : p

God tells us that He is the only God, that there were none before Him nor will there be any after Him. That alone disproves Mormonism : p

 

[bluto]

I had a friend one time who came to me and told me that he had just discovered that Jesus and Satan are brothers. So Sad!

That is correct and it's Mormon teaching. Milton Hunter who is a Mormon wrote a book called "Gospel Through the Ages" and on pages 17,18 he confirms that Jesus and Satan are brothers. I have the book in my library. You should also know that the Mormon gods had a conference to choose who would come to earth and when they chose Jesus Satan got made and that's why were in this mess? Of course this is all fiction just like there's a lot of fiction taught by some wof teachers.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[AndTheWordWasGOD]

I didn't know Jesus was God until I read the scriptures for the first time in 2002. Even though I was baptized and hoped in the Lamb of God even before I was a teenager.

Your question is very valid as I am reading from this thread that many like myself did not know that Jesus was God when they first became Christians.

** Growing up under old school Baptist believers, I heard a lot about Jesus Christ the Son of God. I heard often about and greatly rejoiced in the sacrifice of Christ, his shed blood and the love his Father showed in giving his only begotten son that I might have opportunity to receive forgiveness of sins by faith in their works. **

Back then even having not read, I could clearly see the work of both the Father and His son. The Father loved mankind to such a degree that he gave His perfect son (Gen 22:2, 12) through death to make way for the reconciling of men back to a perfect relationship with God as God intended in the beginning when he created mankind in Adam. The son loved his Father and honored his Father's redemption plan for us even unto the death of the cross (Gen 22:7-10).

Now these things (**) I had heard growing up by the preaching of elders and ministers that I was surrounded by as a youngster; but had not known these things from reading the scriptures. Now having read the scriptures, I can say that those things mentioned above (**) concerning God and His son were true and I am thankful for having had that knowledge back then.

But when I began reading the scriptures alone with God being led by the Holy Spirit (1Jn 2:27), I saw scriptures recorded in the bible that showed clearly that Jesus exists before he came in the flesh (Joh 8:58 & 1Jn 1:1-3) and that he is the creator of all things that were created (Exo 20:11 & Rev 14:6-7); and he is the redeemer of Israel (Deu 5:15 & Psa 130:8 & Tit 2:14); and that he was the law-giver (Isa 33:22 & Jam 4:12) who lead Moses (1Co 10:1-4 & Heb 11:24-26). All of this was completely new to me, and I didn't understand at first why so many of the elders and ministers I had learned from in the past were not all in agreement concerning these things.

Today, I remain a faithful Christian walking in the grace of Christ and yet strengthened with might by his spirit in the revelation and knowledge of him who is True, being acutely aware that not all believers come unto the fellowship of the mystery of how God The Father created all things by Jesus Christ (Eph 3:9 & Heb 1:2, 10), at the same time. But the working of the spirit of God wills that we all who hope in Christ should come unto that knowledge (1Ti 2:4) in due time....

Let us all therefore hope in God and grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.



John 8:58

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

So do you know the meanings of these verses so as to be confident that they support your conclusion that Jesus is truly God. It's just a worthwhile thing to do, I believe.

YES, along with many other verses ..

 

[Enoch987]

That is correct and it's Mormon teaching. Milton Hunter who is a Mormon wrote a book called "Gospel Through the Ages" and on pages 17,18 he confirms that Jesus and Satan are brothers. I have the book in my library. You should also know that the Mormon gods had a conference to choose who would come to earth and when they chose Jesus Satan got made and that's why were in this mess? Of course this is all fiction just like there's a lot of fiction taught by some wof teachers.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I will explain how this can be true. Disclaimer, I am not a Mormon. I am a Christian.
Eve's temptation and sin is Satan's temptation and sin. Since this is true, why can't Cain's sin be Satan's sin too?
In Hebrews 11 and 12, Abel is compared as a type of Christ. Also in Heb. 12, Jesus is the firstborn.
You could take this to mean firstborn of the resurrection.
I take this to mean that God choose Jesus to be the firstborn (Luke 9:35 any modern bible, KJV has "beloved.")
old testament types are Shem and Abram and the ones we know of (Isaac is firstborn of Abraham. Ishmael was born first to Abram), Jacob, Joseph (firstborn of Rachael, Jacob choose Joseph after Reuben slept with Leah's maidservant) and Ephraim)
Satan wanted to be like God but the Father choose Jesus instead. Jealousy overcame Satan who sought to destroy God's creation and kill Jesus.
The -im suffix for Elohim requires 3 or more. Father, Son and Holy Spirit works as does God and the sons of God in Genesis 1:1.
Read Proverbs 8 (the maker of men was created, this can mean that he was chosen for the office of creator) and Ezekiel 28. Ez. 28 is the Septuagint which the Catholic Bible follows reads that Satan was created and placed with the anointed cherub but when sin was found in Satan, the anointed cherub walked Satan out the garden.
the protestant bible reads that Satan was created as the anointed cherub.

 

[SassyServant]

I had an ex bf who said Jesus prayed to God when Jesus got crucified on the cross...he said "why would God be praying to himself." Some people don't get the holy Trinity while some just can't accept the truth.. people denied that Jesus was God from the very beginning...when there were many prophecies and scriptures about it

 

[Denadii]

That is correct and it's Mormon teaching. Milton Hunter who is a Mormon wrote a book called "Gospel Through the Ages" and on pages 17,18 he confirms that Jesus and Satan are brothers. I have the book in my library. You should also know that the Mormon gods had a conference to choose who would come to earth and when they chose Jesus Satan got made and that's why were in this mess? Of course this is all fiction just like there's a lot of fiction taught by some wof teachers.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bluto!! How are you my friend? I've missed you!

 

[Magenta]

In Hebrews 11 and 12, Abel is compared as a type of Christ.

Please explain. Thank you

 

[Denadii]

Please explain. Thank you

That would be good. How is Abel a type of Christ?

 

[SassyServant]

What does "a type of Christ" even mean? Never heard of such words before.

 

[Lighthearted]

God wrapped Himself in flesh...we are not taught this because it is so misunderstood...and of course that all falls back to that other thread you mentioned. Yes, Jesus is God...Jesus is King, and the name of Jesus will live forever and ever.

 

[QuickenedByHim]

The only thing that raises any questions in my mind is this verse that states Jesus doesn't know everything and only the Father does. I would love someone to give me their insight on this because Jesus states that He doesn't know everything that God the Father knows.

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." -Mark 13:32

So the son doesn't know, but the Father does. So how then is Jesus who is the Son of God the Father as well?

 

[breno785au]

I had a friend one time who came to me and told me that he had just discovered that Jesus and Satan are brothers. So Sad!

Yeah they believe there's some kind of family feud going on.

 

[Magenta]

The only thing that raises any questions in my mind is this verse that states Jesus doesn't know everything and only the Father does. I would love someone to give me their insight on this because Jesus states that He doesn't know everything that God the Father knows.

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." -Mark 13:32

So the son doesn't know, but the Father does. So how then is Jesus who is the Son of God the Father as well?

If you can think of Jesus as the manifestation of God's will in action, you may better understand how to reconcile what seem like contradictory concepts. The Word of God took on flesh to walk this world, doing and saying only that which God the Father gave Him to say and to do. As the right hand of the Father, as it were, He knew only that which was willed for Him to know and to do while He walked this world as a human being... the same way your hand does not know what to do until you will it to act. Jesus emptied Himself:

So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.
*
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.

 

[Denadii]

Yeah they believe there's some kind of family feud going on.

LOL I think Jesus already won.