Jesus is not King

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Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.(see Hebrews 13:8) If Jesus is King in the future tense, he is also King now.
So why do people not obey the King....who came as a humble man among us , died for us and is denied His future Kingship by giving it to another ? christians are doing Him a great injustice !
 

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When Jesus Has all authority, the earth will not be in chaos like it is now.
Seems it has first to get worse still ! People are still asleep and are not heeding the call to 'wake up !!! Rom 13v11; Eph 5v14.
 

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Nope, but He's not ruling and reigning yet either.
No...but don't wait until His wrath is fully kindled and you meet Him as a Warrier...that is the message !
Rev 19v15.
 
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Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.[1 Tim. 1:17]

I haven't read every post, so if someone has already posted the above verse, please accept my apology.

But I guess Paul told Timothy a big honking lie. :eek:
 

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Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.[1 Tim. 1:17]

I haven't read every post, so if someone has already posted the above verse, please accept my apology.

But I guess Paul told Timothy a big honking lie. :eek:
No, it's more like someone has been taught some junk or they've come up with something new in their mind that they may/may not find it difficult to let go.
 
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God yearns for us to want Him to be intimately involved in every area of our lives. God's response when Israel asked for a king:

1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

The Lord Jesus Christ reigns now:

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Then COMES THE END . . . He must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet . . . Hebrews 3:8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT now we see NOT YET all things put under him.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. . . . The last enemy to be destroyed is death . . Aren't there people still dying?

Hebrews 2:14b . . that through death he might destroy him that has the power of death, that is, the devil. Has the devil been destroyed yet? Has death ACTUALLY been destroyed yet?

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone . . . Rev. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire . . .

 

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Yet...

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father until His enemies become His footstool at His second coming as King of kings and Lord of lords.

Matthew 22:44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Right now, Jesus acts as our mediator between God and man. 1 Timothy 2:5
Do you know "another way" into THE KINGDOM?
 
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There are many Kings and Lords in the Kingdom of God.
But only ONE TRUE KING and LORD

And those supposed "kings" and "lords" can't enter into THE KINGDOM without entering in by way of CHRIST


Those who know this and are in THE KINGDOM, would never progress above THE ONE they are (supposedly) in


if they do progress above HIM they clearly make manifest that they're not in HIM

But have "gone out" from HIM
 

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I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to refer to Jesus as "King". An analogy I can think of is from the Book of Daniel, where Darius the Mede is called a king. But he was only the ruler of the province of Babylon after Persia conquered it. As far as I know, Darius was under Cyrus the Great, who was the Persian emperor at the time.

In the same way, although Christ is at His Father's right hand, He could still be called a King. :)
The father will not allow any man to enter into THE KINGDOM unless he enters through THE SON

Any man who tries to bypsss THE SON, or go around HIM, is not in THE KINGDOM
 
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It is noted that professing believers mitigate the person and office of Christ, domesticating Him (which isn't possible btw) all the while when speaking of man/self there is an exaltation taking place beyond the truth of Scripture. It is "He must decrease, I must increase" the exact opposite of the Word of God.

It's remarkable to behold, and people do it without batting an eye.
 

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Someone mentioned the scriptures that CHRIST must reign untul
all has been accomplished


there's more to that scripture that was left off


namely: then will HE hand THE KINGDOM back to THE FATHER so that GOD will be all...in all


are all in THE KINGDOM of THE SON....yet?

No


and it is THE FATHER who transferred us out of the kingdom of darkness and into THE KINGDOM OF LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE loves

GOD is not all in all....yet
 

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Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.[1 Tim. 1:17]

I haven't read every post, so if someone has already posted the above verse, please accept my apology.

But I guess Paul told Timothy a big honking lie. :eek:
All prophecy concerning Christ and His kingdom will come to pass. Let me ask you, where is the throne of Jesus Christ? Is He placed upon that throne yet? Who's on the throne right now? Is God the Father on the throne right now until He gives it over to His Son?

I'm not saying that Jesus is not heir to the throne, I'm just saying He hasn't taken what is His yet. When He rules the earth, He will rule with a rod of iron and clean up this mess. Right now, Satan is the ruler of this world, but not for long.
 

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All prophecy concerning Christ and His kingdom will come to pass. Let me ask you, where is the throne of Jesus Christ? Is He placed upon that throne yet? Who's on the throne right now? Is God the Father on the throne right now until He gives it over to His Son?

I'm not saying that Jesus is not heir to the throne, I'm just saying He hasn't taken what is His yet. When He rules the earth, He will rule with a rod of iron and clean up this mess. Right now, Satan is the ruler of this world, but not for long.
You might want to review Revelation 5 and Revelation 12
 

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All prophecy concerning Christ and His kingdom will come to pass. Let me ask you, where is the throne of Jesus Christ? Is He placed upon that throne yet? Who's on the throne right now? Is God the Father on the throne right now until He gives it over to His Son?

I'm not saying that Jesus is not heir to the throne, I'm just saying He hasn't taken what is His yet. When He rules the earth, He will rule with a rod of iron and clean up this mess. Right now, Satan is the ruler of this world, but not for long.
HE is, even now, taking what is HIS
 

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I don't know if you realize it, but you have progressed above this present ministry


CHRIST is both lamb and lion

however, right now, as the lamb, you are misrepresenting HIS current kingship and ministry which is one of restoring and bringing into THE KINGDOM now, those who believe in HIM and love HIM for what HE has done to bring us into the kingdom

you hsbe jumped ahead and are representing HIM before the lost as the lion of the tribe of Judah in that other ministry which has not even begun yet


How do you think one enters into the KINGDOM?

Now?
 

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I don't know if you realize it, but you have progressed above this present ministry


CHRIST is both lamb and lion

however, right now, as the lamb, you are misrepresenting HIS current kingship and ministry which is one of restoring and bringing into THE KINGDOM now, those who believe in HIM and love HIM for what HE has done to bring us into the kingdom

you hsbe jumped ahead and are representing HIM before the lost as the lion of the tribe of Judah in that other ministry which has not even begun yet


How do you think one enters into the KINGDOM?

Now?
I believe it is you who have jumped ahead in prophecy concerning Christ and His kingdom. It is future. He is not on the throne right now. He is seated beside the one who is, God the Father.

Revelation 5 (future prophecy)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Jesus Christ, the Lamb, came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Who is on the throne? God the Father. Jesus is not the one on the throne yet.

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Again, the Father is on the throne and the Lamb is beside Him.

Hebrews 1
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father. Jesus Christ has been appointed heir of all things. Jesus Christ is not yet taken hold of all things. It is a future prophecy.

Matthew 25

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

This is the future prophecy concerning Christ when He comes as King.
 
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1 Timothy 6
15which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

No..... that's now.....
King of kings. Lord of lords.
 
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1 Timothy 6
15which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

No..... that's now.....
King of kings. Lord of lords.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!
 

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"Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?
We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him."

(Matthew 2:2)