Jesus killed the law causing enmity to cease

[Biblelogic01]

Yes, Jesus established the Decalogue as subordinate to grace, as the means of sanctification, not the means of salvation from the wrath of God on the guilt of our sin, which is through belief in him
(Jn 3:18, 36).

So based off of this, would it be ok if someone wore tzitzits (Nu. 15)?
Tzitzits are said to be worn so when one looks at them, it is a reminder of the commandments and not to stray from them and to no do wickedness.
I explained it to someone that it's similar to a WWJD bracelet, but we don't see anywhere in scripture it say anything about a WWJD bracelet. Tzitzits are in scripture though.

And no I'm not saying WWJD bracelets are wrong, I wore them in High School.

 

[just-me]

So based off of this, would it be ok if someone wore tzitzits (Nu. 15)?
Tzitzits are said to be worn so when one looks at them, it is a reminder of the commandments and not to stray from them and to no do wickedness.
I explained it to someone that it's similar to a WWJD bracelet, but we don't see anywhere in scripture it say anything about a WWJD bracelet. Tzitzits are in scripture though.

And no I'm not saying WWJD bracelets are wrong, I wore them in High School.

"And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:" Matthew 9:20

"And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole." Matthew 14:35-36

One might ask; "why just the hem, why not His hand, or His foot for that matter?" As you said "Tzitzits are in scripture though."

 

[Elin]

So based off of this, would it be ok if someone wore tzitzits (Nu. 15)?
Tzitzits are said to be worn so when one looks at them,
it is a reminder of the commandments and not to stray from them and to no do wickedness.
I explained it to someone that it's similar to a WWJD bracelet, but we don't see anywhere in scripture it say anything about a WWJD bracelet. Tzitzits are in scripture though.

And no I'm not saying WWJD bracelets are wrong, I wore them in High School.

I can't really relate to that, because the Holy Spirit within my heart does all that for me.

Life in Christ is from the inside out, rather than from the outside in.

 

[Elin]

"And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:" Matthew 9:20

"And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole." Matthew 14:35-36

One might ask; "why just the hem, why not His hand, or His foot for that matter?" As you said "Tzitzits are in scripture though."

The law forbid her to touch him, which is why she touched only the farthest extremity of his garment.

But in the NT, to touch him we don't have to reach out at all, because he is within us.

One of the differences between a shadow outside us and the reality within us.

 

[Biblelogic01]

"And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:" Matthew 9:20

"And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole." Matthew 14:35-36

One might ask; "why just the hem, why not His hand, or His foot for that matter?" As you said "Tzitzits are in scripture though."

Yeah, when I first found that out about that story my mind was blown.

Malchi 4:2
But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves

The hem of Yeshua's garment I believe would be the healing in His wings. And it makes sense.

 

[Biblelogic01]

The law forbid her to touch him, which is why she touched only the farthest extremity of his garment.

But in the NT, to touch him we don't have to reach out at all, because he is within us.

One of the differences between a shadow outside us and the reality within us.

Look at the whole of the passage on the woman with the issue of blood.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour.

She knew who Yeshua was, so as a believer (and most likely understood the scriptures of that time). She knew that there was healing there, which is why she reached for it. Her faith in believing that there is healing in His wings (Mal. 4:2).

We know that people do not have wings. Yeshua wore a tallit, which tzitzits are fixed to the hems of a tallit. If you see someone with a tallit and asked them to spread it out, it would look like a set of wings.

So she has faith and believe Yeshua was the Messiah that had come, and based off of her faith and belief in scipture she knew that if she reached out and touched this she would be healed.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

That is interesting Peacefulbeliever,

I personally have not come across instances where an "agent of God is referred to as "God, Himself" or the Lord Himself, other than Christ Jesus.

Although God did make Moses His representative, Moses never once referred to himself as a god. Notice that is uses a lowercase "g." In Psalm 82, Israel as a nation is referred to as a "god," again..a representative..and they were not pleasing to God as the passage shows.

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Moses was a representative, but he was not God...He was a spokes person. He did do and say exactly what God told him to, and only by direction from God. In the case of the the "rock," as Paul refers to Jesus in 1 Cor 10:4, that followed them, and that rock was Jesus.

Jesus was with the Hebrew people in the wilderness.

You are correct, the prophets spoke for God but were not so closely identified with God that to see them was to "see" God. Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. were recognized as God's spokesmen, but were never identified with God Himself. Hagar heard from the "angel of the LORD" and gave him the name "You are the God who sees me,".
Gen. 16:7 "The angel of the LORD" . .9) "the angel of the LORD" . . . 11) the angel of the LORD - 13) She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me", for she said, "I have now seen the one who sees me." When God says "the angel of the LORD" is that not what God means?

Charles Ryrie calls this use of "The angel of the LORD . ." a "theophany, a self manifestation of God." The angel speaks, and identifies himself with God and claims to exercise the prerogatives of God. Ryrie also recognizes that the idea that this "angel" is the preincarnat Son of God is an "inference," i.e., that it is not directly stated.

. . .Since the angel of the Lord speaks for God in the first person (v10) and Hagar is said to name "the Lord who spoke to her: 'you are the God who sees me,' (v13) the angel appears to be both distinguished from the Lord (in that he is called "messenger"--the Hebrew for "angel" means "messenger") and identified with him. Similar distinction and identification can be found in 19:1,21, 31:11 and 13; Exodus 3:2 and 4; Judges 2:1-3, 6:11,12, and 14, 13:3, 6, 8-11,13,15-17 and 20-23; Zechariah 3:1-6, 12:8. Traditional Christian interpretation has held that this "angel" was a pre-incarnate manifestation of Christ as God's messenger-Servant. It may be, however, that, as the Lord's personal messenger who represented him and bore his credentials, the angel could speak on behalf of (and so be identified with) the One who sent him . . whether this "angel" was the second person to the Trinity remains therefore uncertain . . . NIV Study Bible, page 29

Was Jesus also the "angel of the Lord" that appeared to Joseph concerning his own birth? To be consistent throughout scripture, wouldn't it have to be?

When Aaron and Miriam rose up against Moses, God called them together and said this.

Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Numbers 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
Numbers 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? (KJV)

Numbers 12:8 I speak with him face to face, plainly and not in riddles.He even sees the form of the LORD. Why weren't you afraid to criticize my servant Moses?"

From Strong's, the word, "similitude," from 04327 ; TWOT - 1191b; n f

AV - likeness 5, similitude 4, image 1; 10

1) form, image, likeness, representation, semblance

Moses speaks of this again, as the people themselves did not see the Lord as Moses did.

Deuteronomy 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

Just some references for consideration.

I also wanted to make the point, that the angel in Rev did not allow John to bow, but told him that he was his fellow servant, to worship God.

And any written of who did try to "steal" the glory from God...it didn't fare well for them. (Harod is a good example of this.)

God has always used representatives, but it was never for their glory.

"1) form, image, likeness, representation, semblance" . . . form can also be "representation" Didn't God tell Moses that he could not see His face - "no one may see me and live." [Ex. 33:23]

I don't think "angels" try to "steal" the glory from God - God gave them permission, authority to speak for him. Thank you for your input.

 

[Least]

Torching and tasting sounds like continuing in sacrificial ordinances to me. Hebrews backs that thought up, but some want to include the law of instructions given in Exodus chapters 20 thru 23 that have nothing to do with the priesthood or the temple/tabernacle. The other thing is to recognize is the phrase of "commandments and doctrines of men." There's doctrines of men that permeate every church today. We are not to touch or taste what isn't confirmed in scripture. That includes mans inventions that distorts the true law.

Good points Just-me, All of God's word is good and right and just and gives us understanding in what is acceptable and pleasing to Him. It makes sense that "touch not, taste not, handle not" is referring to anything outside of His word, His will and His instruction.

Psalms 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
Psalms 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Psalms 34:9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
Psalms 34:10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing.
Psalms 34:12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
Psalms 34:13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
Psalms 34:14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

(Also lines up with 1 Peter 3 9-13)

 

[fredjames]

Read again for the terms used in scripture

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
Then verse 6 says I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham,

The angel is God. In your opinion is this God Almighty minus Christ?

You are giving 'one' Scripture about an 'angel' from the Old Covenant Scripture to 'justify' and decided to 'sum up' you are 'right' about 'angels'?

Please grow up 'little sir', i have 'summed up' support Scripture from the 'epistle' to the Hebrews, saying by GOD's Word about 'All angels', that;

"Are they all not ministering spirits ......................................................................."

 

[Least]

Was Jesus also the "angel of the Lord" that appeared to Joseph concerning his own birth? To be consistent throughout scripture, wouldn't it have to be?

"1) form, image, likeness, representation, semblance" . . . form can also be "representation" Didn't God tell Moses that he could not see His face - "no one may see me and live." [Ex. 33:23]

There are angels in the bible who are mentioned by name, such as Gabriel and Michael,... and a few others named (fallen angels). (won't list those names...)

Jesus also said this: Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

The reason that the account with Moses stood out as different (to me) is because of the two passages that speak of seeing His similitude.

Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Numbers 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
Numbers 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? (KJV)

Numbers 12:8 I speak with him face to face, plainly and not in riddles.He even sees the form of the LORD. Why weren't you afraid to criticize my servant Moses?"

From Strong's, the word, "similitude," from 04327 ; TWOT - 1191b; n f

AV - likeness 5, similitude 4, image 1; 10

1) form, image, likeness, representation, semblance

Moses speaks of this again, as the people themselves did not see the Lord as Moses did.

Deuteronomy 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

That's not only the case with Moses, but when Jesus walked this earth as recorded in the book of John. Many people saw Him. "In Him was the fullness of the Godhead." (Colossians 2:9)

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

As with Moses, another notable example is with Jacob when he wrestled with a man and he called the place Peniel:

Penuel or Peniel = "facing God"

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Genesis 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

The book of Hosea references the above event.

Hosea 12:2 The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.
Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
Hosea 12:4 Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
Hosea 12:5 Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

Jesus has been there since the beginning as we see in John ch. 1. Jesus explains this:

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

And we hold to the promise that we will see Him face to face too.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

One more passage:

Psalms 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psalms 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psalms 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psalms 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

 

[fredjames]

Read again for the terms used in scripture

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
Then verse 6 says I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham,

The angel is God. In your opinion is this God Almighty minus Christ?

First of all, do you understand the term 'messenger' of GOD?

Even Moses spoke to the congregation of Israel the same way;

"I AM the LORD thy GOD, ................................"

Therefore is it wise to say Moses is GOD? Or merely 'a mouth' for GOD in 'addressing' HIS every word to HIS people?

Didn't earlier GOD who chose him said, 'you will be My mouth'.

No where in the HOLY BIBLE it is written, 'angel is GOD' to support your 'testimony'.

But i have learn from Apostles Paul that the Church, 'saints will judge angels one day'.

And i have also learn from the LORD in the Gospel, HE said to the Jews who accused HIM of 'blasphemy' that;

"Isn't it written in your own Scripture saying, you are gods."

Weren't men and women created in the 'image of GOD?

For an example, If i prepare my servant with all my words, in order to take them to you and when he meets you and he speaks to you 'exactly' all that i have spoken, does this mean 'he is me' or he is merely a 'messenger' servant of mine with my message to you a distance away?

 

[Least]

I don't think "angels" try to "steal" the glory from God - God gave them permission, authority to speak for him. Thank you for your input.

I didn't address that in regards to angels wanting to steal glory from God, although there are a few....(fallen)

The Bible has a number of instances where an agent of God is referred to as "God" or "the Lord" Himself and in many of these cases the agent (usually an angel) actually speaks and acts in God's stead. In today's time the best example is in a power of attorney - where the agent speaks and acts just as if he were the principle. The "angel of the LORD" or the "angel of God" speaks and acts for God sometimes even identifying himself as God because that is who he is speaking for. "My name is in him" is such a custom of agency - the word "name" stood for "authority" - God said that he sent an angel before thee and "my name is in him" meaning I have sent an angel before thee and he speaks and acts with my authority. God told the Israelites to obey the angel because God's name, i.e., His authority, was in him, and thus the angel represented God.

I had issue with this quote, (I know that it isn't your personal view ,)

But I have met a few who believe that they are "the Lord," or that they are somehow, "little gods," and I wanted to make the statement that all glory belongs to God, and to clarify that:

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

There are angels in the bible who are mentioned by name, such as Gabriel and Michael,... and a few others named (fallen angels). (won't list those names...)

Jesus also said this: Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

True.

The reason that the account with Moses stood out as different (to me) is because of the two passages that speak of seeing His similitude.

That's not only the case with Moses, but when Jesus walked this earth as recorded in the book of John. Many people saw Him. "In Him was the fullness of the Godhead." (Colossians 2:9)

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Exodus 33:19-20,23 And the LORD said to Moses, I will do the very thing you have asked because I am pleased with you and I know you by name. Then Moses said, Now show me your glory. And the LORD said, I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. But he said you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live. . . . Then I will remove my hand and you will seem my back; but my face must not be seen.

Yes, when we see the Holy City, the new Jerusalem - there will be no need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. . . .

As with Moses, another notable example is with Jacob when he wrestled with a man and he called the place Peniel:
Penuel or Peniel = "facing God"

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Genesis 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

The book of Hosea references the above event.

Hosea 12:2 The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.
Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
Hosea 12:4 Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
Hosea 12:5 Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

Yes, this is a pretty clear example of "agency". In Genesis, Jacob wrestled with "a man" until daybreak (v24), but verse 28 says he had ". . thou hast power with God and with men . . " In verse 30, Jacob said he ". . . saw God face to face" From Genesis we would have to assume that this was one of the times in which God Himself took on the form of a man in order to better relate to mankind. However, the book of Hosea speaks of the same record and lets us know that the one who wrestled with Jacob was an angel. ". . . by his strength he had power with God, He [Jacob] had power over the angel and overcame him . . " So the one who is called "God" in Genesis is identified as an "angel" in Hosea.

Jesus has been there since the beginning as we see in John ch. 1. Jesus explains this:

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

And we hold to the promise that we will see Him face to face too.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

One more passage:

Psalms 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psalms 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psalms 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psalms 24:6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

Yes, we will see his face . . . The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city and his servants will serve him. They will see his face . . . . There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun for the Lord God will give them light.

 

[just-me]

As with Moses, another notable example is with Jacob when he wrestled with a man and he called the place Peniel:

Penuel or Peniel = "facing God"

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Genesis 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

True.

Yes, this is a pretty clear example of "agency". In Genesis, Jacob wrestled with "a man" until daybreak (v24), but verse 28 says he had ". . thou hast power with God and with men . . " In verse 30, Jacob said he ". . . saw God face to face" From Genesis we would have to assume that this was one of the times in which God Himself took on the form of a man in order to better relate to mankind. However, the book of Hosea speaks of the same record and lets us know that the one who wrestled with Jacob was an angel. ". . . by his strength he had power with God, He [Jacob] had power over the angel and overcame him . . " So the one who is called "God" in Genesis is identified as an "angel" in Hosea.

Thank you Least and Peacefulbeliever. One of many times in "which God Himself took on the form of a man".
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," John 1:14a

This was my entire expose' concerning Jesus being the Lord of both old and New Covenants/Testaments. If God takes human form it is obviously Jesus Christ. "In the beginning was the word.......and the Word was God." John 1:1

"Then came the word of the Lord unto Samuel, saying,It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night." 1 Samuel 15:10-11

"Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (John 14:8-9)

It is fascinating to note that Moses uses this plural name for "God" Elohim Myhla more than five hundred times in the first five books of the Bible. Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." The Hebrew Scriptures record this passage as follows "the heavens and the earth." "Elohim (Gods)" "created" "In the beginning". Here the singular verb "created" (arb bara) occurs with the plural noun. (Elohim Myhla). [plural noun for Gods] [singular verb] There is only one logical solution to this problem. If there is no grammatical agreement between the plural noun Elohim and the singular verb "created," then there must be an overriding logical agreement that demands the unusual grammatical construction found in these sentences. The logical agreement is that the word Elohim clearly reveals the sacred mystery of the nature of God as a Trinity, Father, Son, and Spirit.

The Bible declares that there is one God who is revealed to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, each of whom has distinct personal attributes; however, there is no division regarding nature, essence, or being. Jesus gave Moses the law and the prophecies to the prophets. He revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush, (Exodus 3:2-6) and led Israel into the promised land, (Exodus 23:20-23) to mention only two instances out of hundreds. That's why Jesus said that He didn't come to destroy the law and the prophets, and neither are replaced by the New Covenant/Testament.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matthew 5:17-18)

Jesus didn't destroy His own word at Golgotha, for God's Word resurrected from the dead. He destroyed the sin in those who believe and trust in Him by faith. At Christ's death, the Spirit of the Word was given up and "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

The law given to Moses was by the Spirit of the Word. That's Jesus alright!

 

[sltaylor]

The old testament was not exclusively for the Jew. That is a false teaching.

 

[JaumeJ]

In how I understand what you are saying I agree, but we must keep in mind the first believers in Messiah were taught from the writings of the Old Testament with preaching demonstrating just how our Savior fulfilled all of the writings.

Another blessing to keep in mind is that the Good Shepherd instructs us that not only did He have His original flock (Israel), He had another flock (Gentiles) which H was going to bring together with the original. This sounds to me as though the other flock is to be considered as the original.........Israel.

The greatest blessing is knowing how when Leah named Judah, the father of the tribe labeled as Jews, she named him such because now she would praise Yahweh. The meaning of Jew is from Judah meaining praiser of Yah, and all who love God in spirit and truth do indeed praise God, so they could be also called in all honesty, Jews..

Unhappily, too many folks have taken up the evolved meaning and meanings of Jew to the extent of excluding the origin of our faith in Jesus Christ, that being the faith Jesus emphasized, the faith of Abraham.

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as He teaches it. I pray no one here is ashamed of it either, amen.

The old testament was not exclusively for the Jew. That is a false teaching.

 

[sltaylor]

Paul was speaking of two different laws in the new testament.
#1- God's law.
#2- The law that Governs the flesh.
I will give an example of each:
#1-God's word..."I will put my law in their minds*and write it on their hearts.I will be their God, and they will be my people." This is the new covenant law.
#2- The law that Governs the flesh-"So I find this law at work:*When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being*I delight in God's law;*but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.*
The law Jesus killed is example #2...sin separates us from God, to be led by the spirit, the hostility between the flesh and what the spirit desires must be put to death. This happens so we can fulfill God's law, for when we are led by the spirit, love does no harm to its neighbor.
So to answer if Christ killed the law, the answer is yes. But it was not God's law that was killed, it was the law Paul talked about in his flesh waging war against God's law that is written in our minds and hearts. Thus the law waging war had to be put to death so we could do what the spirit desires, because those who are led by the spirit are sons of God. It is therefore inherently important to be able to distinguish which law Paul is talking about any any given point in the scriptures.

 

[Elin]

Look at the whole of the passage on the woman with the issue of blood.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour.

She knew who Yeshua was, so as a believer (and most likely understood the scriptures of that time). She knew that there was healing there, which is why she reached for it. Her faith in believing that there is healing in His wings (Mal. 4:2).

We know that people do not have wings. Yeshua wore a tallit, which tzitzits are fixed to the hems of a tallit. If you see someone with a tallit and asked them to spread it out, it would look like a set of wings.

So she has faith and believe Yeshua was the Messiah that had come, and based off of her faith and belief in scipture she knew that if she reached out and touched this she would be healed.

Agreed. . . .

 

[sltaylor]

There is only one flock. Jesus said he was sent only for the Lost sheep of Israel. HIS kingdom was not of this earth. THE Israel Jesus speaks of is above, and he was sent to find those sheep. Just look at Ezekiel 34:12*"As a shepherd*looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness." Jesus said he would rescue his flock on a day of clouds and darkness.
The same day of darkness is mentioned in Matthew 24 in the signs of his coming. 29*"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'*
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.*They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky,*with power and great glory.*
You see: Galatians 3:28-"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free,*male nor female,*for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Paul said there is only one flock, no Jew nor gentile only 1, which is Christ. You say there are two, scripture declares only one. The Lost sheep of Israel, (Matthew 15:24-He answered, "I was sent only to*the lost sheep of Israel."), are no longer lost, because now I am found. And we are found we can drop the Lost part of that phrase off and replace it with found. The FOUND SHEEP OF ISRAEL. The kingdom above, where Jesus specifically states is his kingdom.

 

[just-me]

Paul was speaking of two different laws in the new testament.
#1- God's law.
#2- The law that Governs the flesh.
I will give an example of each:
#1-God's word..."I will put my law in their minds*and write it on their hearts.I will be their God, and they will be my people." This is the new covenant law.
#2- The law that Governs the flesh-"So I find this law at work:*When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being*I delight in God's law;*but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.*
The law Jesus killed is example #2...sin separates us from God, to be led by the spirit, the hostility between the flesh and what the spirit desires must be put to death. This happens so we can fulfill God's law, for when we are led by the spirit, love does no harm to its neighbor.
So to answer if Christ killed the law, the answer is yes. But it was not God's law that was killed, it was the law Paul talked about in his flesh waging war against God's law that is written in our minds and hearts. Thus the law waging war had to be put to death so we could do what the spirit desires, because those who are led by the spirit are sons of God. It is therefore inherently important to be able to distinguish which law Paul is talking about any any given point in the scriptures.

So in your explanation which I agree with
Jesus killed the law (of the flesh and the carnal mind) causing enmity to cease