Jesus's Resurrection?
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I am indeed surprised and then again not really - to me three of the most poignant words uttered by Jesus to Mary when she recognized Him were 'Touch me not' has not received a single mention as if of no consequence - this requires a lot of pondering in the main because the real message has been lost and most refuse to reinstate it - so don't you dare but I will - so what did actually happen at 'The Fall' - we being created as spiritual beings fell into physical and materiality - that's just for starters,more later but only if interested or allowed to proceed - wincam
As I tried to remark earlier, there is a huge difference between agreeing that Jesus came to earth in the flesh (in a real flesh and blood body); and saying that He lived in the flesh (according to worldly standards and values). Jesus, at His birth, came in the flesh, (arrived in a real human body); but, from birth to death, and after His resurrection, Jesus was in the Spirit at all times. Ro 8:2-9
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
KJV
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
KJV
Paul's use of "flesh and blood" does not mean human tissue and body fluid.
He uses it to mean the natural, sinful, weak, corrupt, mortal body.
This is the body that will not enter heaven.
At the resurrection it will be transformed into a glorious, sinless, incorruptible, immortal body,
like Jesus' resurrection body.
That is the only kind of body that can enter heaven.
He uses it to mean the natural, sinful, weak, corrupt, mortal body.
This is the body that will not enter heaven.
At the resurrection it will be transformed into a glorious, sinless, incorruptible, immortal body,
like Jesus' resurrection body.
That is the only kind of body that can enter heaven.
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Didn't Paul compose the letter to the Ephesians?
†. Eph 6:12 . . For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
You might want to revise your statement to read "almost never" and "almost
always"
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Didn't Paul compose the letter to the Ephesians?
†. Eph 6:12 . . For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
You might want to revise your statement to read "almost never" and "almost
always"
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this should be seriously pondered and grasped in view of the fact that one of the greatest if not the greatest achievement of science was/is the dematerialisation of matter - so no matter no matter what - we were created spiritual beings but have fallen into the mesmerism of matter as an enchantment instigated by the devil imho - wincam
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Those so-called labels are part of discussion. They are not against you, but against your unsupported statements. Part of debate.
Had you referred to my statements with such terms, I would simply explain what I meant and given Bible verses to back them up.
You did answer my question about manufacture (for clarification). You answered it even though I had already posted those words that you refer to as labels in my previous reply.
But you won't clarify this: "The elements that God used in manufacturing Christ's glorious body are not of the earth. The elements used to manufacture his glorious body are currently unknown to science."
Odd not to clarify or explain the meaning.
By the way, those labels don't mean what you suppose they mean. Just ignore them.
Had you referred to my statements with such terms, I would simply explain what I meant and given Bible verses to back them up.
You did answer my question about manufacture (for clarification). You answered it even though I had already posted those words that you refer to as labels in my previous reply.
But you won't clarify this: "The elements that God used in manufacturing Christ's glorious body are not of the earth. The elements used to manufacture his glorious body are currently unknown to science."
Odd not to clarify or explain the meaning.
By the way, those labels don't mean what you suppose they mean. Just ignore them.
M
The question is philosophical because it somewhat limits God to accepting your concept of "physical place" as understood by existing people and science. Yet even present science has tenets of multiverses and more dimensions beyond our senses. The universe is far bigger and stranger than we can comprehend, and that is just the parts we detect!
So have faith that heaven exists! And by grace, you will have all eternity to decide what the mystery means!
So have faith that heaven exists! And by grace, you will have all eternity to decide what the mystery means!