Joel Osteen's Night Of Hope 2016 // Street Preachers Rebuke American Gospel

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BenFTW

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"He created Hell for lukewarm people like you" says the "preacher". Then, of course, let us compare this with Jesus. He came to save and not condemn...right? Oh... but people have different methods of preaching. Right? :rolleyes:

I should hold my tongue, these open air preachers... need Jesus. They preach Jesus, supposedly, but they truly need a revelation of His love because their actions are contrary to God's goodness that leads men to repentance.
 

JGIG

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A thought just occurred to me:

If Christ Himself showed up outside that sports arena where the 'Street Preachers' were yelling at sheep, would Jesus pick up a bullhorn and join in, or would He rebuke those doing the yelling?

Hmmmm . . . .

Interesting to think about, eh?

-JGIG
 
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A thought just occurred to me:

If Christ Himself showed up outside that sports arena where the 'Street Preachers' were yelling at sheep, would Jesus pick up a bullhorn and join in, or would He rebuke those doing the yelling?

Hmmmm . . . .

Interesting to think about, eh?

-JGIG
Jesus would rebuke the preachers if they weren't preaching in love. As for the sheep he would preach the truth so they would turn to God. The scriptures says to proclaim the gospel from the rooftops. So there's a difference between shouting the gospel so people can hear & yelling at people condemning them.
 

Dan58

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A thought just occurred to me:

If Christ Himself showed up outside that sports arena where the 'Street Preachers' were yelling at sheep, would Jesus pick up a bullhorn and join in, or would He rebuke those doing the yelling?

Hmmmm . . . .

Interesting to think about, eh?

-JGIG
I suspect Jesus would be somewhat dismayed with both the loud mouth protestors outside, along with the $40 million dollar bank account of the guy inside. :)
 
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bikerchaz

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All of this makes me very sad. Both camps. because looking at it from any angle, even a non believer, there is no love toward anyone. And while all this vitriol is going on, love gets pushed out, so sad.
 
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A thought just occurred to me:

If Christ Himself showed up outside that sports arena where the 'Street Preachers' were yelling at sheep, would Jesus pick up a bullhorn and join in, or would He rebuke those doing the yelling?

Hmmmm . . . .

Interesting to think about, eh?

-JGIG
We do have an exact account of what Jesus would do: Jesus is perfect theology.

Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
 
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I suspect Jesus would be somewhat dismayed with both the loud mouth protestors outside, along with the $40 million dollar bank account of the guy inside. :)

It's funny that Jesus had no problem with the rich Joseph of Arimathea who by the way "was a disciple". This judging of others in the body of Christ is ungodly as we don't know everything to do with their lives.

This "rich" man who was a "disciple of Jesus" had the money to supply a new tomb for our Lord. Jesus didn't condemn the man because he was rich. God used this man to fulfill His purposes on this earth.

Matthew 27:57-60 (NASB)
[SUP]57 [/SUP]
When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also becomea disciple of Jesus.

[SUP]58 [/SUP] This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.

[SUP]59 [/SUP] And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

[SUP]60 [/SUP] and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.
 
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kaylagrl

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what? can't stop at 15?
Haha every time my sister is on a diet I bring around Lindt,her favorite chocolate. She folds like a pup tent. Ya Im bad I know but thats my job as older sister. For valentines her husband brought her home chocolate, bakers chocolate :( You can be sure Im not going to let him forget that one for a long,long time. Only been married 12yrs and he still doesn't know her fav. chocolates. Her 11yr old son said "daddy you know Lindt is mommas favorite chocolate!" smh Men sometimes.
 

JGIG

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Just for giggles, I did a search with the keywords, 'Joel Osteen good guy'.

Here's one thing that came up (source):

The Joel Osteen Most People Don’t Know

While praying alone in the auditorium of Lakewood Church in Houston recently, I sensed God speak in my spirit. As I pondered just how and why God has used Joel Osteen to fill this massive auditorium with the masses week after week, I felt God respond to my query with a simple impression: "Joel Osteen is a friend to sinners."

As the day progressed, the impact of that statement began to overwhelm me. I couldn't think of another minister with significant public influence who could bear that title—not even a close second.

Of all the accusations Christ received, none were more controversial—especially from the religious crowd.

I began to reflect on the phenomenal ministry Joel and Victoria Osteen have had in our nation, beginning with their work as pastors. Since 1999, Joel has pastored Lakewood Church, the country's largest church—in fact, the largest in our nation's history. It's a church where some 45,000 people attend weekly at one location. Lakewood Church buzzes nightly with discipleship classes facilitating its members and the nearly 50,000 people who receive a new believers book at the altar calls each year in the Lakewood services. Training and engaging the over 6,000 volunteers in Christ-centered ministries makes the 53-year-old Lakewood Church one of the healthiest churches in the country. The 90-minute weekend service includes 60 minutes of nonstop worship mixed with exhortation, prayer for the sick, a 90-second offering (with no announcements) and then Joel's 27-minute message. Joel's messages are skillfully and prayerfully laced with an average of a dozen or so Scripture references. (Joel has observed that multiple references to verses and books in the Bible to the high percentage of unbelievers in the television audience can be intimidating).

Joel addresses addictions, bad habits, dysfunction relationship issues, shame, ungodly self images and other "sins" people face. His solution is always the same: Trust in God's free goodness. Expect His love and grace in every area of your life.

Sure, Joel touches 40 million people monthly through television and other media. His books have impacted over 30 million people and counting, including 5 New York Times best-sellers.

Yet his greatest attribute is his heart for the unbeliever. Joel is a friend to sinners.

Joel is not a televangelist. His dedication as a pastor is reflected in this interesting fact. In the past 14 years, Joel has missed an average of just two weekend services a year. Even though Joel speaks at 38 of those weekends services annually, you'll still find him sitting on the front row (including Wednesday nights) when not speaking, faithfully serving his flock and being a humble example (including shaking hands with the guests and new converts for one hour between services).

Joel and Victoria and Lakewood Church are ambassadors of the gospel—the hope of Christ. Since 2004, Joel and Victoria have held over 130 live "Night of Hope" events around the country and overseas. These monthly events have brought over 1 million people to a public confession of their sins and Christ as Lord!

Each month, Joel's family and the Lakewood team hit city after city with the message of hope. Joel's 16-hour nonstop Friday begins with meetings with local pastors, media interviews, then time preparing for the event. Joel and Victoria exhort and preach the majority 3-hour event, which ends with 30 to 50 percent of the mostly unbelieving and unchurched attendees standing and confessing their sins and Christ as Savior. As the thousands leave the auditorium, Joel can be found shaking hands with those who've sponsored children for World Vision. On most occasions, Joel is one of the last to leave the building, rising early the next morning and heading back home to preach three services at Lakewood Church.

Joel has his critics. They post his "gotcha" clips from his hundreds of secular media interviews.
But what some call weakness is really Joel's strength. Joel refuses with uncompromising conviction to use secular guest appearances to judge people. His kindness has kept the hearts and minds of millions receptive. Joel is a friend to sinners.

I'm not defending Joel—his fruit does that. I'm writing to those who are sincerely concerned that yet another popular "celebrity televangelist" would embarrass the Christian faith. Consider this, from someone who has been in full-time ministry for 40 years, who's seen the ego-gone-wild, naive novices and those with tainted intentions: Joel is a sincere and now-seasoned voice to the generations and nations!

My wife, Jeannie, and I have traveled the world with Joel and his family for over 10 years, volunteering with this life-changing, God-fearing, soul-winning and graced-with-humility ministry. We've witnessed not one inappropriate word or deed. Joel's behavior is consistently above reproach.

Though rarely mentioned, Joel and Victoria do not take a salary from the church or ministry. Expenses like air transportation, hotels, even food, are paid by them personally. In fact, Joel and Victoria are Lakewood Church's largest contributors. Joel is a faithful husband, loving father and loyal friend to many—and has been for many years. No one is perfect, but for 14 years Joel has proven to be an honorable man giving honor to Christ.

Even sincere people have struggles understanding what it means to be a friend to sinners.

When Jesus was in the homes of the gluttonous and winebibbers, Jesus appeared comfortable, and so did the sinners. I'm sure the disciples felt betrayed, confused, angry and maybe a bit envious. Why was Jesus spending time with those people?

Like the disciples, we as Christians may feel betrayed—left out. And with a culture that has seemingly rejected our faith and oftentimes mocked and misrepresented it through the media, it's easy to be disillusioned. Why would Joel and that grin of his be with "those" people? Why? Because Joel is a friend to sinners too.

Joel is an invited guest to our neighbor's home, to the person we do business with, to our families and friends—all of whom watch and are positively influenced by his ministry. My goodness, even our president watches!

I believe history will record the past 14 years of Joel's ministry and influence as one of the most effective pastor/evangelist of our time. And his compassionate passion for people indicates to me that his best efforts are yet to come!

Can I encourage us to begin to believe the best in and for each other? To especially pray and protect the gifts of Joel and Victoria? God has given them to represent and reach an increasingly number of unchurched, de-churched and unbelieving in our world. To be a friend of sinners should be a claim no one should be ashamed of!

Phil Munsey is senior pastor of Life Church in Irvine, Calif.

Hmmm . . . sounds pretty evil to me, bringing all of those people to Christ and then discipling them! The horror!


16 “To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:


17 “‘We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.’



18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” (from Mt. 11)



Ya just can't win with some people.

-JGIG
 
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LaurenTM

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Haha every time my sister is on a diet I bring around Lindt,her favorite chocolate. She folds like a pup tent. Ya Im bad I know but thats my job as older sister. For valentines her husband brought her home chocolate, bakers chocolate :( You can be sure Im not going to let him forget that one for a long,long time. Only been married 12yrs and he still doesn't know her fav. chocolates. Her 11yr old son said "daddy you know Lindt is mommas favorite chocolate!" smh Men sometimes.

men make you fat

we all know that.....:p
 
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eph610

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Just for giggles, I did a search with the keywords, 'Joel Osteen good guy'.

Here's one thing that came up (source):

The Joel Osteen Most People Don’t Know

While praying alone in the auditorium of Lakewood Church in Houston recently, I sensed God speak in my spirit. As I pondered just how and why God has used Joel Osteen to fill this massive auditorium with the masses week after week, I felt God respond to my query with a simple impression: "Joel Osteen is a friend to sinners."

As the day progressed, the impact of that statement began to overwhelm me. I couldn't think of another minister with significant public influence who could bear that title—not even a close second.

Of all the accusations Christ received, none were more controversial—especially from the religious crowd.

I began to reflect on the phenomenal ministry Joel and Victoria Osteen have had in our nation, beginning with their work as pastors. Since 1999, Joel has pastored Lakewood Church, the country's largest church—in fact, the largest in our nation's history. It's a church where some 45,000 people attend weekly at one location. Lakewood Church buzzes nightly with discipleship classes facilitating its members and the nearly 50,000 people who receive a new believers book at the altar calls each year in the Lakewood services. Training and engaging the over 6,000 volunteers in Christ-centered ministries makes the 53-year-old Lakewood Church one of the healthiest churches in the country. The 90-minute weekend service includes 60 minutes of nonstop worship mixed with exhortation, prayer for the sick, a 90-second offering (with no announcements) and then Joel's 27-minute message. Joel's messages are skillfully and prayerfully laced with an average of a dozen or so Scripture references. (Joel has observed that multiple references to verses and books in the Bible to the high percentage of unbelievers in the television audience can be intimidating).

Joel addresses addictions, bad habits, dysfunction relationship issues, shame, ungodly self images and other "sins" people face. His solution is always the same: Trust in God's free goodness. Expect His love and grace in every area of your life.

Sure, Joel touches 40 million people monthly through television and other media. His books have impacted over 30 million people and counting, including 5 New York Times best-sellers.

Yet his greatest attribute is his heart for the unbeliever. Joel is a friend to sinners.

Joel is not a televangelist. His dedication as a pastor is reflected in this interesting fact. In the past 14 years, Joel has missed an average of just two weekend services a year. Even though Joel speaks at 38 of those weekends services annually, you'll still find him sitting on the front row (including Wednesday nights) when not speaking, faithfully serving his flock and being a humble example (including shaking hands with the guests and new converts for one hour between services).

Joel and Victoria and Lakewood Church are ambassadors of the gospel—the hope of Christ. Since 2004, Joel and Victoria have held over 130 live "Night of Hope" events around the country and overseas. These monthly events have brought over 1 million people to a public confession of their sins and Christ as Lord!

Each month, Joel's family and the Lakewood team hit city after city with the message of hope. Joel's 16-hour nonstop Friday begins with meetings with local pastors, media interviews, then time preparing for the event. Joel and Victoria exhort and preach the majority 3-hour event, which ends with 30 to 50 percent of the mostly unbelieving and unchurched attendees standing and confessing their sins and Christ as Savior. As the thousands leave the auditorium, Joel can be found shaking hands with those who've sponsored children for World Vision. On most occasions, Joel is one of the last to leave the building, rising early the next morning and heading back home to preach three services at Lakewood Church.

Joel has his critics. They post his "gotcha" clips from his hundreds of secular media interviews.
But what some call weakness is really Joel's strength. Joel refuses with uncompromising conviction to use secular guest appearances to judge people. His kindness has kept the hearts and minds of millions receptive. Joel is a friend to sinners.

I'm not defending Joel—his fruit does that. I'm writing to those who are sincerely concerned that yet another popular "celebrity televangelist" would embarrass the Christian faith. Consider this, from someone who has been in full-time ministry for 40 years, who's seen the ego-gone-wild, naive novices and those with tainted intentions: Joel is a sincere and now-seasoned voice to the generations and nations!

My wife, Jeannie, and I have traveled the world with Joel and his family for over 10 years, volunteering with this life-changing, God-fearing, soul-winning and graced-with-humility ministry. We've witnessed not one inappropriate word or deed. Joel's behavior is consistently above reproach.

Though rarely mentioned, Joel and Victoria do not take a salary from the church or ministry. Expenses like air transportation, hotels, even food, are paid by them personally. In fact, Joel and Victoria are Lakewood Church's largest contributors. Joel is a faithful husband, loving father and loyal friend to many—and has been for many years. No one is perfect, but for 14 years Joel has proven to be an honorable man giving honor to Christ.

Even sincere people have struggles understanding what it means to be a friend to sinners.

When Jesus was in the homes of the gluttonous and winebibbers, Jesus appeared comfortable, and so did the sinners. I'm sure the disciples felt betrayed, confused, angry and maybe a bit envious. Why was Jesus spending time with those people?

Like the disciples, we as Christians may feel betrayed—left out. And with a culture that has seemingly rejected our faith and oftentimes mocked and misrepresented it through the media, it's easy to be disillusioned. Why would Joel and that grin of his be with "those" people? Why? Because Joel is a friend to sinners too.

Joel is an invited guest to our neighbor's home, to the person we do business with, to our families and friends—all of whom watch and are positively influenced by his ministry. My goodness, even our president watches!

I believe history will record the past 14 years of Joel's ministry and influence as one of the most effective pastor/evangelist of our time. And his compassionate passion for people indicates to me that his best efforts are yet to come!

Can I encourage us to begin to believe the best in and for each other? To especially pray and protect the gifts of Joel and Victoria? God has given them to represent and reach an increasingly number of unchurched, de-churched and unbelieving in our world. To be a friend of sinners should be a claim no one should be ashamed of!

Phil Munsey is senior pastor of Life Church in Irvine, Calif.

Hmmm . . . sounds pretty evil to me, bringing all of those people to Christ and then discipling them! The horror!


16 “To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:


17 “‘We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.’



18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” (from Mt. 11)



Ya just can't win with some people.

-JGIG
If you want more history on Joel, check out his Dad John....
 
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kaylagrl

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men make you fat

we all know that.....:p

Lol,I fear taking a stand on this one. I dont want to make enemies of all the CC men. :D I turned it around on hubby.He had a bachelors diet and then we married. He ate so much and too much deserts that his doctor told him he had to cut back.lol He thought I couldnt cook before we married,boy did he find out!
 
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If you want more history on Joel, check out his Dad John....
I heard John speak a few times in the past before he died. I loved this saying of his -"this is my bible - my bible is the word of God - I believe what it says, I am what it says I am and I can do what it says I can do."
 
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LaurenTM

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Lol,I fear taking a stand on this one. I dont want to make enemies of all the CC men. :D I turned it around on hubby.He had a bachelors diet and then we married. He ate so much and too much deserts that his doctor told him he had to cut back.lol He thought I couldnt cook before we married,boy did he find out!

well, I think most people here know I'm joking

we are all responsible for our own intake....


 

Blain

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It fills my heart with such sorrow knowing there are those who are under the name Christ but are so unloving and so judgmental I can't even begin to know understand how it must make fathers heart feel. the op is not Love.
Anna to you I have this say- something you should know about me is I have always loved knights I love and respect what they stand for valor virtue honor words that have little to no meaning in the hearts of man in this day and age. A knight while trained to be a killer chooses to use his blade not to slay or to cut down but to uphold and to serve, they use their strength not for themselves they use their blades to uphold protect serve and to uplift the weak the innocent and the ones who cannot stand.

There is a fire in their eyes when it comes to serving and protecting the little guy and the wounded and weak, our every word and action can be seen as and is a blade it can be used to cut down to attack to make others bleed but also can be used to heal to protect to encourage and uphold to give life. as a Christian as a person in general I have considered what my blade is for who my blade is for what it does, anyone can claim their blade is a sword of truth but in history even the most passionate people for the truth showed their blades to be anything but because they lacked the love of God.

I have considered what my blade is and what it is for anna, what is yours for?
 

Blain

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Oh dear... I only just saw she was banned lol, well regardless I stand by my words
 
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I think it was really Shirley phelps that was here. She's a real peach. Lol
 
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kaylagrl

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well, I think most people here know I'm joking

we are all responsible for our own intake....




Shoot fire I don't know! So many people seem to have no sense of humor, if you make a joke you get rebuked for it. smh But I knew you were joking.
 

Dan58

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It's funny that Jesus had no problem with the rich Joseph of Arimathea who by the way "was a disciple". This judging of others in the body of Christ is ungodly as we don't know everything to do with their lives.
The difference to me is that Joseph of Arimathea didn't make his money off the backs of believers. "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth" (Matthew 19:21-22). Joseph Prince net worth $44 mil, Joel Osteen $40 mil, Pat Robertson $100 mil, etc. A far cry from helping the poor. Jesus didn't say; Follow me and become incredibly rich "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand... Freely ye have received, freely give" (Matthew 10:7-8).



 
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LaurenTM

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Shoot fire I don't know! So many people seem to have no sense of humor, if you make a joke you get rebuked for it. smh But I knew you were joking.

shoot fire? say what?

is that Nova Scotian or deep south talk for gonna set your world on fire?

LOL!
 
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