Joyce Meyer's $23,000 Toilet

[PeterJens]

The problem with walking with Jesus, it is our personal walk and insight.

Truth and the Holy Spirit moves you, so it is important to take the good from everything you hear and understand we all stand where we are for definitive reasons.

The difficulty when listening to arguments, we tend to interpret the words based on our emotional experience.
It is true Jesus lays a dream at our feet, love, acceptance, eternal life, righteousness, justice, truth, becoming a full complete rounded person. But the person to walk in these realities needs to accept failure of ourselves, that everything we try and do is tainted by the origin in our hearts without communion with the Lord.

The world is full of successful people, wealth, power, influence, to which we often want to aspire to. It is therefore easy for preachers to suggest Jesus is actually preaching the same ideas, yet is actually talking about reality within our hearts and the need to be driven by love. The whole gospel is saying we can only live in righteousness through love, love given by Jesus through the cross. Unfortunately this walk is about failure and exalting the work of Jesus in us.

Ofcourse without accepting failure, Jesus's walk is not possible in our hearts. If you cannot see the need to change but only positively project your desires as if they are Gods desire for you, the Lord does not dwell within you. It is merely justifying and loving the world, rather than the kingdom of heaven.

I know for many the idea of failure has become so bad, it is thought of as judgementalism, rather than the truth.
Too many have sold out their faith for the fantasy of rewards here on earth, rather than finding reality from the bottom of our hearts. Jesus loves you so deeply, if you cannot bow the knee to Him, you have fallen for pride and self righteousness.

 

[PeterJens]

Here's the kind of stuff people are saying about Joel Osteen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_CRWZNUkrk

The problem in this video is saying Joel is preaching from the occult. What is sad, is in reality this is probably true.
We can all say we are children of God, the most high, and yet preach heresy.

John the Baptist came for a good reason. The first step in walking with Jesus is repentance. If a believer has never had conviction of sin, they have not met Jesus. Where the spirit is moving, it is this conviction that is the first step. Breaking in of love takes time, and change is a walk. A sign of those who failed to walk in love, is when they no longer talk about repentance. It is that simple. People sin all the time, but we learn how to walk closer to Jesus, to change, to be transformed, to get closer to the walk Jesus desires us to know. Until we meet face to face, will we know how well our communion became real and whole. And this walk is full of brokenness, crying, humbling and great joy.

 

[james57]

One of the reasons I like the topic of Joyce Meyer is because she believes in God's provision for her. And I do too! I've seen God's provision totally defy many of the believers on this thread who honestly believe God wants us poor and crushed and miserable in our earthly suits.

In human reasoning., we can easily respect a picture of a poor man in old clothes drinking soup from a wooden bowl as he reads his Bible. There is a crust of bread on the table as this poor man in ragged black jacket sips his soup. (I had the matching pictures in my kitchen with the older lady (his wife) and found some sort of comfort in seeing that.

This picture appeals to our ability and pride to be humble. We like this idea of being poor and showing God and others how spiritual we are (and content) But how content are we when we can't afford to give our children food? When we also must feed them the same soup and wear the same clothes we are wearing? Are we able to be content when we know the desire we have to give to OUR children, how do we reason out why God is not meeting these needs we have?

When our loved children must go out into the world and be among other children and not be treated well.
How do we teach our children that God provides for us when our children see He hasn't.?? Dad has no job and mom is always crying and praying.

In reality.... God provides for His children. So much so that they have the ability to help others in their time of need. How do you speak to the needs of the unsaved when you can't even afford groceries?? How can you tell them about the wonderful spiritual blessings when you can't give them bread to eat, but can only say .... be well fed and blessed...but can give them no food to be blessed with??? Only a 'spiritual' idea that they are not privy to as unsaved people??

No.. it is a false assumption on our human part to say God wants us poor and needy. What He does want is for us to be going to Him for our needs. And showing the unsaved that our Father is willing and able to give us abundantly above what we can ask or think. This is all borne out of revelation.

2 Cor.9:8 And God is able to make all grace (every favor and earthly blessing) come to you in abundance, so that you may always and under all circumstances and whatever the need be self-sufficient (possessing enough to require no aid or support and furnished in abundance for every good work and charitable donation.

He gives us enough for our needs and to be able to give to the needy. To bless us so that we can also be a blessing to others in His name. In that ., we can minister to the desperate spiritual and physical needs of unsaved people. Grow where we are planted and bless those we come in contact with. No one wants to hear of how God is blessing you when you don't have your needs met by Him.

My late mother had all of Joyce Meyers books, they helped her no end. My favourite book is Daughter of Destiny, it is the biography if Kathryn Khulman, written by Jamie Buckingam. kK was attacked by many, one of the reasons was about money.
In her early thirties she married a man who divorced his wife and left two children to marry her. The next six years of her life were miserable. One day she was walking down a dead end street and realised that was where her life was. She realised she had to choose between the man she loved and the God shd loved. She chose God, and left her husband.
She said she cried her heart out that day. If anyone thinks it is was to come to the cross and give everything to God they have never come there.
She dedicated the rest of her life to God, never to remarry or have children, it was then the miracles came in her church services. No miracle was allowed to be put un her books unless it fulfilled the following criteria:

The miracle must have been at least five years previous with no recurrence of the illness suffered from.
The medical records of the illness had to bs released.
Two doctors/physicians who had treated the healed person had to be prepared to testify to their former condition.
Near the end of her life Kk received an honourary doctorate from Oral Roberts University. When she received it she cried, and said nobody knows what this has cost me.
She then said:
Anyone could see the power in their services I have seen in mine, but it costs everything.

I have always remembered that statement. Many of those who never gave God everything sought to attack her

 

[ladylynn]

The problem in this video is saying Joel is preaching from the occult. What is sad, is in reality this is probably true.
We can all say we are children of God, the most high, and yet preach heresy.

John the Baptist came for a good reason. The first step in walking with Jesus is repentance. If a believer has never had conviction of sin, they have not met Jesus. Where the spirit is moving, it is this conviction that is the first step. Breaking in of love takes time, and change is a walk. A sign of those who failed to walk in love, is when they no longer talk about repentance. It is that simple. People sin all the time, but we learn how to walk closer to Jesus, to change, to be transformed, to get closer to the walk Jesus desires us to know. Until we meet face to face, will we know how well our communion became real and whole. And this walk is full of brokenness, crying, humbling and great joy.

and here is the refute the the youtube against Joel O.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFujHyUfHE

 

[Grace777x70]

This is a classic example of taking scripture out of context. Jesus was talking to one man and exposing his "treasure" and told him specifically what to do.

Brothers and sisters in the Lord we need to read scripture always in context because if you take the "text" out of the context it will "con" you.

If you take that scripture now for everyone then all of us will have to sell everything we have and give it away. This is just ignorance and deception gone to seed.

In saying that, what the brother wrote here is so true about having our treasure in the right order as Jesus is our true treasure.

"Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" (Matthew 19:21). Perhaps Jesus should have been more specific; Treasure in heaven or jewels on your toilet?

 

[ladylynn]

My late mother had all of Joyce Meyers books, they helped her no end. My favourite book is Daughter of Destiny, it is the biography if Kathryn Khulman, written by Jamie Buckingam. kK was attacked by many, one of the reasons was about money.
In her early thirties she married a man who divorced his wife and left two children to marry her. The next six years of her life were miserable. One day she was walking down a dead end street and realised that was where her life was. She realised she had to choose between the man she loved and the God shd loved. She chose God, and left her husband.
She said she cried her heart out that day. If anyone thinks it is was to come to the cross and give everything to God they have never come there.
She dedicated the rest of her life to God, never to remarry or have children, it was then the miracles came in her church services. No miracle was allowed to be put un her books unless it fulfilled the following criteria:

The miracle must have been at least five years previous with no recurrence of the illness suffered from.
The medical records of the illness had to bs released.
Two doctors/physicians who had treated the healed person had to be prepared to testify to their former condition.
Near the end of her life Kk received an honourary doctorate from Oral Roberts University. When she received it she cried, and said nobody knows what this has cost me.
She then said:
Anyone could see the power in their services I have seen in mine, but it costs everything.

I have always remembered that statement. Many of those who never gave God everything sought to attack her

So many people like your mom have been helped by Joyce M. I've met so many women and men who have been helped major big time Joyce and other radio and tv preachers. Have heard some about Katherine K. but not a lot. That she influenced many people's lives. People say she is a woman of God and others say she is a heritic. We can't just believe the negative stuff we hear about other Christians and must give them the benefit of the doubt and listen with an open mind. When I hear people interpreting what someone is saying, flags go up. I don't listen to small sound bites from recordings. Sadly I've seen these sound bites not say the whole truth.

Those organizations that call themselves 'ministries' that are in exsistence for the sole reason of finding fault with Christians I steer clear of. I've seen people jump on bandwagons and find solidarity in hating someone. very sad.

Katherine K. was probably before my time but Joyce M. came along in the 80s I think and I began listening to here in the 90s and more so 5yrs ago. I would listen to her cds about faith and also about depression and fear. I came to understand from a layman's point of view why we do much of the things we do as people. Always trying to fill the void with 'things' and people but not God.

When people don't know God loves them they run from Him in shame. They don't know Jesus came to die for our sin and take away our sin and shame and give us a new life. To know He loves us is the running theme in Joyce's messages. That when we do give Him our lives He takes it and makes it into something.

Joyce M. says He takes our mess and makes it our message. I'm so saddened when I read and hear people here on CC who don't know her at all., have read what people say about her and post it as facts.
Many many people say tv preachers are dishonest and not worth listening too. It is so frustrating and sad when people attack what they don't understand. Those who have not been helped out of the pit have no idea. I thank God daily for the teachers on radio and tv and how much God used and is using them in my life., and other people I know.

Here is a very good message from a ministry that takes the time to refute the false reports about some Joel O. for instance. people really think they know him but they are clueless. I do believe the enemy has found it profitable to blind the minds of many people to the facts about tv preachers by doing what he does even in small communities. Takes the bad apples and says all Christians are bad. like when some un taught zealous person blows up an abortion clinic thinking they are saving babys doing God's will when in reality they are giving evil for evil when we are called to combat evil with good.

he will influence people to believe all Bible believing Christians will do that and nothing could be further from the truth but how to convince an already made up mind with the facts when they won't listen?

I'm very sorry for the loss of your dear mother James.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFujHyUfHE


Here is the link...

 

[PeterJens]

and here is the refute the the youtube against Joel O.

It is not refuting the points but attacking the person. I know the technique.

I watched the film "The secret" and now understand "The law of Attraction".

What struck me was something else I have learnt. Every bad experience you have gives you a massive impression while success has a less effect. We tend therefore to notice the negative aspects of life, and ignore the things that go well.

This So badly effects people they run down the things that are happening around them and fail to see real opportunities and possibilities in every day life, which would fulfill their goals.

Now it is no miracle or great spiritual teaching to suggest focusing on what will achieve your goals, and the good things that are happening will lead to success. When the success happens it is just because you spotted opportunities as they appeared, you did not make them appear by "commanding" them into existance or God delivering them to you.

But this is what is being sold by Joel and Joyce. It is just a simple worldly sales talk, and nothing to do with true spirituality.

Now seeing need, caring and reaching out to people is missing. The focus is on self and ones own goals, visualising wealth and opportunity, rather than seeing people and how to serve them. It ignores failure and working at walking with Jesus as a bond servant.

It is why I stand amazed at people saying they are christians yet fail to speak the language of Jesus, the apostles or the Holy Spirit.

 

[james57]

So many people like your mom have been helped by Joyce M. I've met so many women and men who have been helped major big time Joyce and other radio and tv preachers. Have heard some about Katherine K. but not a lot. That she influenced many people's lives. People say she is a woman of God and others say she is a heritic. We can't just believe the negative stuff we hear about other Christians and must give them the benefit of the doubt and listen with an open mind. When I hear people interpreting what someone is saying, flags go up. I don't listen to small sound bites from recordings. Sadly I've seen these sound bites not say the whole truth.

Those organizations that call themselves 'ministries' that are in exsistence for the sole reason of finding fault with Christians I steer clear of. I've seen people jump on bandwagons and find solidarity in hating someone. very sad.

Katherine K. was probably before my time but Joyce M. came along in the 80s I think and I began listening to here in the 90s and more so 5yrs ago. I would listen to her cds about faith and also about depression and fear. I came to understand from a layman's point of view why we do much of the things we do as people. Always trying to fill the void with 'things' and people but not God.

When people don't know God loves them they run from Him in shame. They don't know Jesus came to die for our sin and take away our sin and shame and give us a new life. To know He loves us is the running theme in Joyce's messages. That when we do give Him our lives He takes it and makes it into something.

Joyce M. says He takes our mess and makes it our message. I'm so saddened when I read and hear people here on CC who don't know her at all., have read what people say about her and post it as facts.
Many many people say tv preachers are dishonest and not worth listening too. It is so frustrating and sad when people attack what they don't understand. Those who have not been helped out of the pit have no idea. I thank God daily for the teachers on radio and tv and how much God used and is using them in my life., and other people I know.

Here is a very good message from a ministry that takes the time to refute the false reports about some Joel O. for instance. people really think they know him but they are clueless. I do believe the enemy has found it profitable to blind the minds of many people to the facts about tv preachers by doing what he does even in small communities. Takes the bad apples and says all Christians are bad. like when some un taught zealous person blows up an abortion clinic thinking they are saving babys doing God's will when in reality they are giving evil for evil when we are called to combat evil with good.

he will influence people to believe all Bible believing Christians will do that and nothing could be further from the truth but how to convince an already made up mind with the facts when they won't listen?

I'm very sorry for the loss of your dear mother James.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFujHyUfHE


Here is the link...

There is theology in the head, and there is heartfelt knowledge of the truth. Praise God you have abundance in the latter, but sadly it means the former will attack you for it
God Bless
And thank you for your kind words. I am happy for my mother, she is at peace and in a better world than this one

 

[PeterJens]

Joyce,

"They don't know Jesus came to die for our sin and take away our sin and shame and give us a new life."

The problem with this statement is it appears to be sound doctrine. But it can also be heresy.
How does Jesus take away our sin? How does Jesus give us new life? What is the difference between walking in righteousness and walking in sin?

If you hold you are loved no matter what you do, that you are not changed or transformed, that nothing conscious takes place, you just ignore your life and go to worship meetings, you do not have the gospel.

Repentance, sanctification, the righteous walk, change and transformation matter. Now to those who walked in the theory of faith but never the power of love touching their hearts, their hearts are now hard, their consciouses seared, and righteousness means nothing. To be told you can stay as you are, but be accepted into heaven is comforting, because it is usually called universalism, the saving of all.

In my emotional loving moments I feel like this, until I see what evil really does to people, how hatred consumes the soul, how those without love dwelling within get eaten alive by life.

And the accusation is I have not given all to God, hate these people, am evil, driven by the enemy?

No it is the people who sat with the gospel in their minds and their social groups but love never properly broke into their lives that is the tragedy. Now their only answer is to grasp at worldly success and ignore the nagging doubt they have nothing.

If people knew we have everything, everything in Christ, rich or poor, in sickness or in health, then this doubt would not exist or failure matter. But for them, this world matters above Jesus.

 

[PeterJens]

Why was Jesus hated?

Because he told them what they are doing is EVIL.

The emphasis is on two words, DOING and EVIL.

If you cannot grasp that this makes us enemies of God, under judgement, and we need to commit ourselves to Righteousness, the gospel has passed you by.

Jesus called this gospel "IMPOSSIBLE"

"Many are called, few are chosen" is no joke. Do you really know the man you call Lord?

 

[ladylynn]

One of the nice things about people who have been freely given grace, they know how to give it out as well. I like the way this man can bring out truth without calling people names. And without giving out insults he clearly speaks from the place of a man who has listened to both sides and doesn't give out evil for evil but does show the grace needed in a discussion of this sort.

He covers issues without judging the motives of someone's heart. Just the facts of history in situations over the last 50yrs of well known Christians. I asked a man in the Bible study room who regularly mis understands my word of faith leanings to listen to 'this' clip. He was not interested in the least but he is always on hand when I'm discussing my faith and can always find time to fault and mis quote me, my support of Joyce M. and Joel O. and other believers who are being shred abroad.

It's an on going joke for him to make fun of my faith and has in times past called me a heretic too. Along with many who do not understand the word of faith properly.
I thought to be able to post this 'reasonable message' (I thought and hoped) might help many here who appose their brethren who are Spirit filled believers like me. But the answer has been basically they don't want to be confused with the facts and prefer to stick with their own ideas on the subject... Try as I might, I can't confuse them with the 'facts'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFujHyUfHE

 

[ladylynn]

There is theology in the head, and there is heartfelt knowledge of the truth. Praise God you have abundance in the latter, but sadly it means the former will attack you for it
God Bless
And thank you for your kind words. I am happy for my mother, she is at peace and in a better world than this one

I wish my mom had a story like your mom. I will not know for sure if she is with Jesus till I get there.
How great it will be when YOU get there and she will be there to welcome you!! For those who have godly mothers and fathers you are greatly blessed!!!!! What an inheritance from an earthly parent to know the love of Jesus and share it with their children.

 

[PeterJens]

Emotional reassurance

One way to avoid facing realities is to never think about them or face them. I have met many "spirit filled" people, who are simply insane. Often something drives them and they get a fuzzy feeling about it just being right all the time.

But the tell tell sign of an issue, is when people avoid a subject. And the subject is sin. The presence of the Lord in holiness is always shown by this unbelievable sense of love and acceptance, along with our unworthiness.

Now all the words I could ever bring will always go elsewhere for someone brought up in the church, who reinterprets every word into their own experience and rejects it.

Some things I have seen and read, I would never do or say because they are just wrong, yet not a moment of hesitation happened with these teachers. That shows me we have a very different way of operating. That makes me realise my heart is very different from theirs.

What appears to be at the core of the issue, is judgementalism on failed love to reach the surface in many peoples lives, which thought of as a denial of spiritual reality, so the words must be wrong.

I know two people who spent their lives going to church, who say all the words but would never consider themselves sinners. One person when shown a book about a person turning from a life of sin to one of righteousness and love, regarded this as a book of shame and not power.

So I testify to what I know. That is all I am called to do. We are strange people as sinners, and often very different on the outside than our lives on the inside. One student training for becoming a pastor found out on the course, they did not know how they reacted honestly to anything, because everything was just a borrowed experience of someone else. The question then became, "who am I?"

Joyce, Prince, Hinn, Copeland, Hagan etc to into heresy and areas which puts them far away from Jesus. The only people who see this are in the Kingdom, because their hearts confirm the strangeness of their words and intention.

 

[PeterJens]

What are your dreams? I mean this most sincerely. To live in a mansion, go on exotic holidays every year, have a nice family, be respected?

My dream is to know Jesus and enter heaven. A phrase of a popular song was "I want to know what love is."

It is very easy to get wrapped up in this world, to play the short game for quick returns. I would hope for my time here to leave behind something of real value, answers to questions that help opening the door to life.

So not surprisingly all this wealth and success to me is all of this world. What has changed through robotics, production efficiency is ordinary people can now live like kings. So it is now turned around that this reality is actually a right rather than a trap which for 1,000's of years spiritual people have recognised. But the "wise" are now teaching to the blind how important these dreams are. It has not changed the spiritual emptiness and conflicts this idea hides.

 

[PeterJens]

There is theology in the head......... but sadly it means the former will attack you for it

This is judgementalism at its worst. It is not a division between heart and head, as if this was possible.

People hide their hearts no matter what they claim. The only way you know people have come close to reality is when their life reflects their emotional reality within. You are what goes on inside you, not what you show. It is possible to appear to be everything and be disconnected with who you really are. This is the truth of life 101, and why it is so hard to know oneself and others, because we even deceive ourselves and hide many things.

Grief comes as a shock to many, because they did not realise someone meant so much to them. Unfortunately often people can now live their lives without any shocks, and stay in a dream world of their own making. So I cannot say whether the very respectful sincere believer over there who is shy and appears constrained is worse or better then the open expressive, exuberant believer in the other corner. They are part of the same kingdom. But if they both walk in righteousness and love, Amen.

 

[Lancelot]

It is not refuting the points but attacking the person. I know the technique.

I watched the film "The secret" and now understand "The law of Attraction".

What struck me was something else I have learnt. Every bad experience you have gives you a massive impression while success has a less effect. We tend therefore to notice the negative aspects of life, and ignore the things that go well.

This So badly effects people they run down the things that are happening around them and fail to see real opportunities and possibilities in every day life, which would fulfill their goals.

Now it is no miracle or great spiritual teaching to suggest focusing on what will achieve your goals, and the good things that are happening will lead to success. When the success happens it is just because you spotted opportunities as they appeared, you did not make them appear by "commanding" them into existance or God delivering them to you.

But this is what is being sold by Joel and Joyce. It is just a simple worldly sales talk, and nothing to do with true spirituality.

Now seeing need, caring and reaching out to people is missing. The focus is on self and ones own goals, visualising wealth and opportunity, rather than seeing people and how to serve them. It ignores failure and working at walking with Jesus as a bond servant.

It is why I stand amazed at people saying they are christians yet fail to speak the language of Jesus, the apostles or the Holy Spirit.

Did you even watch that video?

 

[jaybird88]

This is a classic example of taking scripture out of context. Jesus was talking to one man and exposing his "treasure" and told him specifically what to do.

Brothers and sisters in the Lord we need to read scripture always in context because if you take the "text" out of the context it will "con" you.

If you take that scripture now for everyone then all of us will have to sell everything we have and give it away. This is just ignorance and deception gone to seed.

In saying that, what the brother wrote here is so true about having our treasure in the right order as Jesus is our true treasure.

so please explain what is out of context?
the guy told Jesus he had done everything and asked what else to do, Jesus told him to sell his possession, the guy walked away full of sorrow.
sounds to me like this rich mans love of all his possessions was so great, the thought of selling them, even for the kingdom of heaven, was to much for him.
or was this man full of sorrow over something else?

Treasure in heaven or jewels on your toilet?

i would say dan was dead on context here

 

[MYSAVIORJESUSCHRIST]

For some reason I have a really hard time believing you...

Show me the proof this is real...

And then I will laugh really really hard.

And at the same time wonder, why, who needs that?

 

[Grace777x70]

If we have a problem because of something so base as that God wants us to prosper and be in health ...we are going to go nuts in heaven when we see all the "evil" abundance and health there!!!!!

It is not about the money..it's about trust! Who do we trust in? That's what the Lord is getting across to us. If having abundance is "friendship" with the world...then the world is going to be in heaven. We need to give our religious heads a shake and come out of the fog! God help us!

Let's grow up and stop biting each other like a bunch of grade 3 kids!

I can just imagine what would be said about Solomon, David, Abraham, etc...if they were here..you would rip them apart just as the Pharisees that killed the prophets that were sent to them. Ahhh..but you would say..we wouldn't do that to Solomon, David, Abraham, or Isaac...and Jesus would say this...

Matthew 23:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.



Stop being self-centered and start believing God for abundance so we can be a blessing to others!

the Lord says to.." but grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ."...it is not.." grow in the knowledge of sin and how to rip apart our brothers and sisters"

Please let's stop tearing ourselves up in the name of the Lord!!!

What were their actual blessings?, one we can only interpret or guess about the other is clearly seen. Is this not secular materialism in a largely secular materialistic world in which we all live or have lived?, why are some blessed with great material riches and yet others struggle on low income? what should anyone store up for themselves, the overiding spirit of this world is a very selfish one in many many ways and causes division and jealousy-and hatred can be born from that. It could be problematic from a Christian point of view or anyone taking note.


Salary and finances

Joyce Meyer



Meyer, who owns several homes and travels in a private jet has been criticized by some of her peers for living an excessive lifestyle. She responded that she doesn't have to defend her spending habits because "...there's no need for us to apologize for being blessed."Meyer commented, "You can be a businessman here in St. Louis, and people think the more you have, the more wonderful it is...but if you’re a preacher, then all of a sudden it becomes a problem."

James 4:4

Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.
1 John 2:15-17

Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world--the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one's means of life--does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.


Mark 10:21

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

 

[Grace777x70]

Lord said to the rich young ruler to sell everything was to reveal the man's breaking of the first commandment. He thought he had kept all the commandments from his youth. People trying to live under the law will be given Moses 2.0 to reveal their need of a Savior. His idol was money...his treasure was money..his life was money...his trust was his money

To use this scripture to say we shouldn't have money or abundance from the Lord..is taking the scripture out of context.

Treasure in heaven is where we put our trust in God as our source for everything. To say treasure of jewels on the toilet seat is just nonsense and slandering. There is no jeweled toilet seat..This is just another example of biting each other and ripping each other apart.

it's shameful and as the body of Christ we need to grow up!!

so please explain what is out of context?
the guy told Jesus he had done everything and asked what else to do, Jesus told him to sell his possession, the guy walked away full of sorrow.
sounds to me like this rich mans love of all his possessions was so great, the thought of selling them, even for the kingdom of heaven, was to much for him.
or was this man full of sorrow over something else?

i would say dan was dead on context here