Killing Calvinism: How to Destroy a Perfectly Good Theology from the Inside

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Grandpa

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Meh, it's just an excuse to free one's self from being responsible for anything in their lives... so it's no wonder this is becoming so popular among liberals.
That's a big negative ghost rider.

People are still responsible for their evil acts according to calvinism.

Why would people want to free themselves from being responsible for the good in their lives? According to calvinism it is Christ in them who does the good.
 

Johnny_B

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Hi Johnny,

I'll have to look into Molinism too. That's a new term for me as well.

I have read some of Spurgeon's writings and he seems to hold to both God's sovereignty and free will in what I've read. But it isn't much, just some of his devotionals and a few gems at a website.

I almost think that one can't put God into a theological box, somehow as humans we end up misrepresenting Him and His word by either limiting Him or by distorting His character and purpose somehow. When Jesus said that He died for the sins of the world, wouldn't that mean people's sins? The world doesn't sin, people do. :) It makes me think of this scripture that is speaking of people.

B
ut false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Peter 2:1
Surgeon is one of the Molinist, I remember read where he said he was not Reformed because he was never part of the RCC, that he was ana-Baptist which was around before the Reformation and all of those that write on the Molinist position are Southern Baptist that I've seen so far. Yes I see Scriptures that are showing that Jesus died of the sins of people, but I have not followed any that says there is a benefit to them only for those that believe and I haven't found one that says He died for the people that do not become saved without mentioning the benefit of it for only the believers/sheep/bride or her. So I hold that the atonement is for the sin of the world in it's scope, but for the believers in it's redemptive act, the Father in His foreknowledge in that He predetermined that Christ would die, also had His people in sight of that redemptive act. Acts 2:22-24 Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.

I Peter 1:17-21
And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

It is saying that the atonement is for the sake of you/us, so it's scope includes all sin, but in it's plan of redemption it is for us/believers.

Amazing Grace by Timothy George, The Only Wise God by William Lane Craig, Salvation Sovereignty: A Molinist Approach by Kenneth Keathley, Calvinism, Arminianism or Another Option by James Douglas Lashley and most of the books Four Views of the Atonement, Foreknowledge, Election these types of books have the Molinist view point in them, that last book by Lashley, I can not find anywhere. I almost for got a new one that has a video on youtube it's called, The Potter's Promise: A Biblical Defense of Traditional Soteriology. The video is more of a sales pitch, not any real information.