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People argue about what Bibles are good and what ones aren't. The original King James Version is not my favorite version because some of the word in that Bible have different meanings today than they used to have. I suspect most versions of the Bible are okay. Perhaps none of them are perfect, but good enough to get the main ideas across. I wouldn't burn any of my Bibles.
it all comes down to the texts they were drawn from. The word of God was not in english. You better make sure you are reading the same manuscript that God intended for you. The KJV has translational errors this is true. They are also well documented which is actually a benefit. No surprises are left. However the real issue isn't an accidental translational error, it's a purposeful "Transcriptional" err. It's not even taken from the same text.
It is for those who wish to know why- to seek.
It is for those who wish to know why- to seek.
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anyone who wants the rest of the video from post 21 here it is. Along with links to both in case you want to see them in full screen (if the ads cut them in half)
AUTHENTICITY CODES OF THE GREEK TEXTS USED BY KJV BIBLE CHUCK MISSLER PART1 YouTube - YouTube
Authentication Codes of the Bible - YouTube
[video=youtube;v7mN4YM4z0k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7mN4YM4z0k[/video]
AUTHENTICITY CODES OF THE GREEK TEXTS USED BY KJV BIBLE CHUCK MISSLER PART1 YouTube - YouTube
Authentication Codes of the Bible - YouTube
[video=youtube;v7mN4YM4z0k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7mN4YM4z0k[/video]
I use the ESV or English Standard Version. That is because when we were translating from Greek and Hebrew, the ESV was always the best match! However, the Greek and the Hebrew are the best way to read the Bible, so many things are lost in translation.
As far as the KJV being the best version, a while back when we were having this absurd debate about a Bible translation in an archaic language, someone recommended the following book. I highly recommend it, to counter the lies and nonsense of the KJV ONLY Cult.
KJV Controversy: Can You Trust Modern Translations? By James R. White. Very thorough and goes into the history of the controversy, the main players,and the many mistakes in the KJV.
As far as the KJV being the best version, a while back when we were having this absurd debate about a Bible translation in an archaic language, someone recommended the following book. I highly recommend it, to counter the lies and nonsense of the KJV ONLY Cult.
KJV Controversy: Can You Trust Modern Translations? By James R. White. Very thorough and goes into the history of the controversy, the main players,and the many mistakes in the KJV.
People who insist that everyone should only read the KJV remind me of Catholics in the past who didn't want the bible translated from Latin into English (because Latin was traditional) and didn't want the common man reading the Bible. The KJV is difficult to read for many modern folk. It can't be used for evangelical purposes very well because it's unlikely that a nonbeliever would bother slogging through something they would find so difficult to read. In the past it wasn't such a problem because the majority of people were church goers and had grown up on the KJV. Nowadays however with more and more people growing up in secular households the KJV is even more difficult and obscure for nonbelievers. Especially young people. Young people and folks with reading or learning problems have trouble with it. You're basically cutting down on the number of people able to read the Bible by insisting on such an archaic translation. Why do people in other countries get Bibles translated into their modern languages but not english speakers? Why this barrier to reading God's Word?
By the way, I love the KJV and use it quite a bit. I just don't agree with KJV Onlyism.
By the way, I love the KJV and use it quite a bit. I just don't agree with KJV Onlyism.
Definitely stick with the King James Authorized Holy Bible.The modern versions are simply vatican versions. They are based on Corrupt texts. There is a ton of information on this important issue. I strongly recommend that you check out the following link below:
Home - King James Video Ministries
On this website; There are plenty of videos which you can watch for free on the Bible Version Issue.
There is a spirit of antichrist behind the modern versions. So any fellowship that is preaching out of an NIV or ESV or NLT etc. has basically brought that spirit of antichrist into their fellowship already.
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To those raised in a church where they not only used KJV, but prayed in Elizabethan English, it does not sound silly. Major modern translations even tried to hold on to it when God was addressed. Perhaps most didn't realize that thou, thy, and thee are the familiar, less formal pronouns; but for some reason, the familiar is used to address the Lord -- though neither Greek nor Hebrew have 2 sets of 2nd person pronouns. Thou, thy, thee have the advantage of distinguishing 2nd person you-singular from plural (Ye, you). In KJV "you" always is plural.
I favor using you in translation for singular, and you* for plural, not the original NASB you[SUP]p -- I can hear kids in SS class saying, "youp."
You are somewhat mistaken on Spanish. I believe many use the old KJV-ish Reina-Valera. And I think that most even modern translations use "vosotros" for you plural, though modern Latin American is Ustedes not vosotros. I think a lot of Germans use Luther's translation. RCCists used to favor using Latin, for crying out loud. I sent a modernized Spanish Bible to my mother-in-law in Guatemala and learned from her that she preferred the old Reina-Valera. My guess would be that in French it would be largely the same.
I think that the majority of our pagan children today don't understand KJV English, where let means prevent, prevent means precede, suffer means allow, besom means broom. Has anyone figured out what a means in "I go a fishing"?
I believe that our Pilgrim Fathers disliked that new upstart KJV, preferring the older Geneva Bible.
But don't forget that if the St. James Version was good enough for Paul, it should be good enough for you.
It doesn't bother me if some want to hold on the King Jimmy -- it is an excellent translation. But it is not perfect; nothing made by men is prefect. And to substitute the KJV for the original language texts is a heresy.[/SUP]
I favor using you in translation for singular, and you* for plural, not the original NASB you[SUP]p -- I can hear kids in SS class saying, "youp."
You are somewhat mistaken on Spanish. I believe many use the old KJV-ish Reina-Valera. And I think that most even modern translations use "vosotros" for you plural, though modern Latin American is Ustedes not vosotros. I think a lot of Germans use Luther's translation. RCCists used to favor using Latin, for crying out loud. I sent a modernized Spanish Bible to my mother-in-law in Guatemala and learned from her that she preferred the old Reina-Valera. My guess would be that in French it would be largely the same.
I think that the majority of our pagan children today don't understand KJV English, where let means prevent, prevent means precede, suffer means allow, besom means broom. Has anyone figured out what a means in "I go a fishing"?
I believe that our Pilgrim Fathers disliked that new upstart KJV, preferring the older Geneva Bible.
But don't forget that if the St. James Version was good enough for Paul, it should be good enough for you.
It doesn't bother me if some want to hold on the King Jimmy -- it is an excellent translation. But it is not perfect; nothing made by men is prefect. And to substitute the KJV for the original language texts is a heresy.[/SUP]
Do you think that before 1611 there was no Bible?
Were the Pilgrim Fathers wrong who objected to the new modernistic upstart KJV and favored the older Geneva Bible? Why do you favor the KJV over the Geneva Bible?
You quote Paul in 1 Thessalonians. How can that refer to the KJV? Paul wrote in Greek in the 1st Century AD; there was no English language at all when he wrote 1 Thes.
Were the Pilgrim Fathers wrong who objected to the new modernistic upstart KJV and favored the older Geneva Bible? Why do you favor the KJV over the Geneva Bible?
You quote Paul in 1 Thessalonians. How can that refer to the KJV? Paul wrote in Greek in the 1st Century AD; there was no English language at all when he wrote 1 Thes.