King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mar 18, 2011
2,540
22
0
#61
I don't know why anyone would argue against thousands upon thousands of agreeing ancient manuscripts that have been validated by our early church fathers like Polycarp, who actually knew John. Why would anyone argue "so they took out the the word Jesus and Father, and Holy Spirit sometimes. So what? not all the time."

The thousands of byzantine texts were found all over where John was actually ministering at the time's he was writing and in the locations of the churches he was writing too, thats why they had to make copies in the first place, to share the information. Why ON EARTH would we trade ALL OF THAT for a couple of texts that are in a gnostic area, that distort the thousands-during a time WE KNOW the gnostics were there? What is wrong with this picture?

Paul had never visited Colosse, but he had spent a considerable amount of time in Ephesus, located about one hundred miles to the east—so it was very likely that Paul and Epaphras (founder of the Colossian church) had been in contact with one another.
Why was it written? When Epaphras arrived in Rome, he brought with him disturbing news from the Christian community in Colosse: non-Christian teachings were circulating within the Colossian church. The problem was syncretism: Jewish and Gentile beliefs and practices were being combined, creating a sort of hybrid religion that no longer resembled true Christianity.
More specifically, the heresy taking root in Colosse was a form of gnosticism, which taught (among other things) that humans could transcend evil and the corruptions of the world through asceticism and their own strength of will. Gnostics believed that they could essentially ignore the world and follow their own desires and impulses. Paul wrote to the Colossian church to warn them away from error and reiterate the importance of the Christian ethic.
http://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/08/letters-to-the-church-colossians/

It was even a problem way back then...
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
#62
Yes. If italics means it's added- that casts doubt. " It says here some of the oldest most trusted manuscripts leave this out." ridiculous.
Textual handling of manuscripts in determining a more authentic version normally goes with the shorter due to scribes adding their own thoughts to 'help' the text.
Last time I ask. How does all this dwindle one's faith? The differences are minute.
 
Mar 18, 2011
2,540
22
0
#63
[h=3]John 3:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Genesis 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

that sir is a biblical contradiction UNLESS IT READS

[h=3]John 3:16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



if the bible did contradict itself it would be flawed wouldn't it? as in, not the Word of God?
 

Angela53510

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2011
11,781
2,945
113
#64
Luke 11:2

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]He said to them, “When you pray, say:
“‘Father,[SUP][a][/SUP]
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.[SUP][b][/SUP]


Luke 11:2

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Actually, the original Greek does not say this!

"εἶπεν δὲ αὐτοῖς· Ὅταν προσεύχησθε, λέγετε· Πάτερ, ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου·ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· " Luke 11:2

First, there is no word "our" simply the word "Father." The word for "our" in Greek is ἡμῶν or hemon.

Second, there is no "heaven" or οὐρανοῖς.

Third, ἁγιασθήτω, or "hagiastheto, is the aorist, imperative, passive. It is in fact, a passive command to God, best translated as "Let your name be holy!" "Hallowed" is an archaic word. This verb is in the jussive, which is beseeching God that his name would be holy. The implication is that the person praying declares or treats God as holy, with the reverence and respect due to a Heavenly Father.

As for the rest, it is an attempt to harmonize the Lord's Prayer in Matt 6:9

"Οὕτως οὖν προσεύχεσθε ὑμεῖς· Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου," Matt 6:9

The second part of this would best be read as "Father our, the one in heaven, let the name your" Or "Our Father, the one in heaven, let your name be holy!" There actually is no verb in the first part of the sentence- no "art" or "is" or "to be" verb, as KJV so erroneously adds to the text, which NIV does not!

I think if you are going to compare versions, be prepared to discuss the original languages, which contain the real text, not the English translation of the KJV!

PS The NIV is also right with the last half if Luke 11:2 ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· The word ἐλθέτω or eltheto, is also in the aorist, imperative, But active, not passive! It means "let come the kingdom your" or reordered for English "Let your Kingdom come!"
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#65
This is all totally silly

all Bibles have differences of flavor and all are inspired

People have been saved with the king james despite its confusing translators who were once saved always saved greek mythologists you can get the truth even from the KJV if you study it!
 

Angela53510

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2011
11,781
2,945
113
#66
More? Or do you need me to go through and translate every passage you compared to the NIV which is closer to a dynamic than literal translation, anyway? I could compare to the NASB or ESV if you want!

My suggestion is take a year of Greek, then come back and tell us what you have found. KJV Onlyism is for the naive and the ignorant.

PS the reason I am so familiar with the passage in Luke11:2 and Matt 6:9 is that I memorized them, they affected me so profoundly when I took Greek.
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#67
So tell me,

Which ersion is "WRONG" and from the devil?





John 3:16 ASV
American Standard Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.


John 3:16 BBE
Bible in Basic English
For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.


John 3:16 CEB
Common English Bible
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life.


John 3:16 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.


John 3:16 RHE
Douay-Rheims
For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.


John 3:16 ESV
English Standard Version
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.


John 3:16 GNT
Good News Translation
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.


John 3:16 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


John 3:16 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
"For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 KJV
King James Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life.


John 3:16 LEB
Lexham English Bible
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.


John 3:16 NAS
New American Standard
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


John 3:16 NCV
New Century Version
"God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life.


John 3:16 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
"God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son. Anyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.


John 3:16 NIV
New International Version
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 NKJV
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


John 3:16 NLT
New Living Translation
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 NRS
New Revised Standard
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.


John 3:16 RSV
Revised Standard Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 DBY
The Darby Translation
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him may not perish, but have life eternal.


John 3:16 MSG
The Message
"This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life.


John 3:16 WBT
The Webster Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16 TNIV
Today's New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


John 3:16 TYN
Tyndale
For God so loveth the worlde yt he hath geven his only sonne that none that beleve in him shuld perisshe: but shuld have everlastinge lyfe.


John 3:16 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
For so greatly did God love the world that He gave His only Son, that every one who trusts in Him may not perish but may have the Life of Ages.


John 3:16 WEB
World English Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


John 3:16 WYC
Wycliffe
For God loved so the world [Forsooth God so loved the world], that he gave his one begotten Son, that each man that believeth in him perish not, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.


Answer:

NONE!

None are wrong!

they all have the gospel
they all tell the story
and to make young english children read old king james vernacula is just plain mean

you just dont want people to understand the truth

King JAmes has some really good unclarities that can be easily twisted that is why the easy wide path religions love it so much

but if you read the whole thing (dificult in KJV for school children) you will easily epose the truths that have been covered up
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#68
More? Or do you need me to go through and translate every passage you compared to the NIV which is closer to a dynamic than literal translation, anyway? I could compare to the NASB or ESV if you want!

My suggestion is take a year of Greek, then come back and tell us what you have found. KJV Onlyism is for the naive and the ignorant.

PS the reason I am so familiar with the passage in Luke11:2 and Matt 6:9 is that I memorized them, they affected me so profoundly when I took Greek.


Amazing there is someone with a brain !

Refreshing

I agree totally

KJONLYISM is the deepest darkest pagan mythology

for the most pagan translations of key texts are KJV who really embellish eternal torture by a loving God

totally wild.
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#69
WE dont have to take a year of Greek

that isnt going to help

I can click on a word in ENGLISH and get the greek meaning...

and then I can see immediately that the SAME GREEK WORD in one situation is translated into another situation a DIFFERENT WORD ALTOGETHER however they feel like it

i mean you dont have to be greek to find that the translators are not doing their job right


he,
you say you took greek
let me demonstrate

what does the word BLESS mean?

since you took greek, what does the word blessed mean?
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#70
well they didnt translate it according to what it should mean did they?

You dont have to know greek to understand they are trying to obfuscate, cause basically they do not want to kneel down when they pray

so the Greek translators used a nother word so they wouldnt have to kneel down.

you dont need greek

you just need a good program where you click on the word and find the meaing


and even the MEANING is sometimes totally differnt choice!

it is not about greek

it is about goofy translators who translate it one way one taime and a different way another time

whatever they feel like doing on that day!

that is why it is VERY GOOD to read many translations!
the goofy ONE WAY TODAY translators are exposed when you read other translations!

the 4 in one parallel bibles are vvery very good!

read and compare the whole Bible

when you come across one verse that stands out like a sore thumb (KJV has several of those)
then click on that word
and see the REAL MEANING!

so they warped translations are like flags and all you do is study what they are

and the truths they tried to HIDE
are exposed like night and day
 
Last edited by a moderator:
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#71
Also

hate to deflate your Bible

the Bible was not written in greek

it was DAMAGED by greek

there are versions who never went through the greek pagan ritual sun god forever burning in hell once saved always saved pagan greek language


Greek is a PAGAN LANGUAGE!
it is not the best choice

the original language is the HEBREW ORIGINALS that never got greek twisted

greek twisted
Ten commandment laws Torah, Moses covenant laws and JEwish conuntry stautes into one word
LAW

now tell me how that makes things more clear?

I mean take FIVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HEBREW WORDS THAT MEAN 5 completely different things and translate them all into LAW

I mean isnt that stupid?>

why not read the version BEFORE they smashed them up and see what they really mean?

if you do that you discover that :

The Moses ritual laws like circumcision was done away
and the TEN COMMANDMENTS are never naied to the cross
for everytime PAul uses LAW you can see WHICH law he is talking about!
OH! dont want that! why, our once saved always saved and nail the rules of God to a tree are done away with and our twisted doctrines will fall!
no! KJV only! Let the twisting continue !
I cant change what day I worship on, Ill get fired!


ok fine
read what you want

but greek is a lousy language, it does not keep the origianl thoughts as well

but still
if you read the KING JAMES VERSION you can, it is totally possible, theat even that Bible can save you from sin for they forgot to screw up all the verses!

no man is smart enough back then to mess up all the verses!

so the truth still comes out

let me show you

Ezek 18:4 ...the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

OOOPA! They forgot to whist that one didnt they!Truth came out!

how about


Psa 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.


DANG! they forgot that verse to twist it all up and obfuscate it
they forgot to say

O come let us worship and bow down, let us BLESS the Lord our Maker!

shoot

if only someone werent haveing a monday headache hangover they would have screwed up the very last verse still left that tells us how to worship God!

God is good
no matter how the devil screws the Bible in many ways (redefining faith) the Bible still comes through with the light

But God tols us

STUDY STUDY STUDY all the verses and you WILL know the truth!

And I believe the basies of all the Bibles are inspired.
Some translators will losoe their eternal reward for causing MILLIONS to stumble

but only those who refused to DIG AND STUDY will be lost

and that is a LOT
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#72
This is a new thread every week. I'd say it's beating a dead horse topic myself.
Personally i find the notion silly. There are bad versions out there, no doubt, but it's elitist to assume a one translation is the right one. Especially considering all the other languages the bible gets translated into. I've seen the evidences for and against this idea and i've not budged an inch against the 'king james only' viewpoint. I've felt the notion was silly from day one. Still do. Even in light of the 'evidence' otherwise, which, ironically there's evidence to show the KJV has it's share of problems as well.
Not to mention, the KJV translators would be horrified to know that some Christians hold to a KJV-Only stance. Check the Preface for evidence. Oh, wait. The modern printings have removed the Preface or modified it. I wonder why?
 
Dec 27, 2013
19
0
0
#73
If the King James bible can not make holy grandparents and make holy people after 400 years the other funny bibles will not work. The word of the King James took cerebral palsy out of me just like Mark 2. These are the other funny bibles out side of the KJV.

The other bibles like NIV, NSAV, NSV are missing over 3,000 words and scriptures missing and twisted. If the King James bible could not save people neither can the other bibles help they are worse. We are guilty for not reading our bibles to know the difference. KJV vs NIV


[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Acts 8:37 -
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thineheart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, Ibelieve that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Matthew[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Matthew 18:11 -
For the Son of man is cometo save that which waslost.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Matthew 18:11 -Misssing in NIV



[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Luke 4:8 - Variant Count: 14
And Jesus answered and said unto him,Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lordthy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]1 Timothy 6:5
Perversedisputings ofmen of corruptminds, anddestitute of the truth,supposing that gain is godliness: fromsuch withdrawthyself.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]1 Timothy 6:5
and constantfriction betweenpeople of corruptmind, who havebeen robbed of the truth andwho think that godliness is ameans tofinancialgain. ((Rest Missing in NIV))[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 4:8 -Variant Count: 2 (14%)
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lordyour God and serve him only." ((The rest is missing in NIV))
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
D

didymos

Guest
#74
(...)
Greek is a PAGAN LANGUAGE!
it is not the best choice

the original language is the HEBREW ORIGINALS that never got greek twisted(...)
There's no such thing as a 'pagan language,'
just language used by pagans.

I'd love to see PROOF that the NT originally
was written in hebrew (or arameic rather).
 
2

2Thewaters

Guest
#75
but all the fallacies and grey zones of the Bibles can easily be discovered by prayer and CLICKING ON THE WORD

what does bless mean?

To bless God means to KNEEL DOWN ON SABBATH AND PRAY TO GOD!

why dont they say that?
ha ha
they done WANT to kneel down
king james would be upset
kings dont kneel!
get it?

know how many times KNEEL is removed from the Bible

how many HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of times WORSHIP is screwed up in the KJV?

go click!

every time you see WORSHIP GOD know what that MEANS?

O greek student tell us

what does WORSHIP MEAN
you took greek right?
what does WORSHIP MEAN>?

it means to KNEEL AND PROSTRATE YOURSELF go look it up

total coverup
cause they dont WANT to kneel down it is that simple

here are key words that do NOT mean what you think they mean

BLESS
WORSHIP
FAITH
RIGHTEOUSNESS
SOUL
HELL (not even a word that Exists in the original completely made up Greek mythology original word is SHEOL GRAVE)
TRINITY (Not even in the Bible)
RAPTURE
SANCTUARY


did you know where ever you see the word RIGHTOUS and or RIGHTOUSNESS you know what it really means?

do you?

RIGHTEOUSNESS MEANS TEN COMMANDMENT KEEPING!

that is what it means

you want to know how many THOUSANDS of times TEN COMMANDMENT KEEPING has been removed from KING JAMES?
WHY
WHY
WHY did they do that?

well, the church of england was once saved always saved!
:)

no kidding
it is that simple

they didnt like the fact they are responsible for keeping the Bible!
so they change the word

so we have no clue what it says unless you CLICK ON IT


if you do not study
if you do not click on the words
you will not find the truth of the LAst days

all version have chosen words that are unclear


KJV is the best version we have and many verses are unclear because of greek and secondly because of KJV false doctrine beliving translators they picked grey words

and the list goes on

these do NOT mean what you think they mean

hence the confusion and the hundreds of false doctrines

The Bible is the word of God

the translators are varied and different
so reading varied translations

will expose the tricks and traps satan put in there

or

you can just CLICK and look up the words

STudy (click) to show thyself approved unto God



2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.


GEt it?

The translators are vain babblers

and we have to study past them
 
P

prodigal

Guest
#76
If the King James bible can not make holy grandparents and make holy people after 400 years the other funny bibles will not work. The word of the King James took cerebral palsy out of me just like Mark 2. These are the other funny bibles out side of the KJV.

The other bibles like NIV, NSAV, NSV are missing over 3,000 words and scriptures missing and twisted. If the King James bible could not save people neither can the other bibles help they are worse. We are guilty for not reading our bibles to know the difference. KJV vs NIV


[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Acts 8:37 -
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thineheart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, Ibelieve that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Matthew[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Matthew 18:11 -
For the Son of man is cometo save that which waslost.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]Matthew 18:11 -Misssing in NIV



[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Luke 4:8 - Variant Count: 14
And Jesus answered and said unto him,Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lordthy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[TABLE="class: cms_table_general, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]1 Timothy 6:5
Perversedisputings ofmen of corruptminds, anddestitute of the truth,supposing that gain is godliness: fromsuch withdrawthyself.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_border_bottom_lightest"]1 Timothy 6:5
and constantfriction betweenpeople of corruptmind, who havebeen robbed of the truth andwho think that godliness is ameans tofinancialgain. ((Rest Missing in NIV))[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 4:8 -Variant Count: 2 (14%)
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lordyour God and serve him only." ((The rest is missing in NIV))
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
do you not think that 1 verse in the bible could turn a sinner to Christ. How did the early christians manage without the king james. maybe they weren't really saved. And the early pilgrim fathers only had the geneva and the tynedale bibles, in fact they hated the early king James version.
 
P

prodigal

Guest
#77
most bible scholars use many bibles, so this 'what's the best bible argument' is a bit nieve. personally i use the Geneva 1599, the Tyndall ,the new king James and the Niv, and references to varies translations of the Torah for further study of the old testament.
 
P

psalm6819

Guest
#78
Our Bible is an integrated message system. The message over and over directs us through foreshadows and archtypes to Jesus Christ, crucified for our sin and His resurrection. The Holy Spirit can use whatever version is at hand to reveal truth to the one who seeks.

There is nothing improper or sinful in using a Strong's for a word study or using an interlinear for clarification.

God bless us all
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,196
6,539
113
#79
sSig_aaarggh.gif

........here we goes again........
 
P

psalm6819

Guest
#80
Don't be a brat. There are threads on the site older than the posters.:)