King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

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I don't recall a retraction on this one either lol.

The Bible alters the spellings of peoples names many many times in the Bible but yet we know it is speaking of that person based on the context or by comparing Scripture with Scripture.

Jehoram just has an "eh" added to Joram. It's the same person. This is not uncommon to see in the Bible. Abram became Abraham. Noah is referred to as Noe in the New Testament. Elijah is referred to as Elias. Isaiah is referred to as Esaias.
 
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No It doesnt matter which bible you use. The same message is conveyed in the majority of them, just slightly different wording and/or use or non-use of Gods name. Without question, the King James is a beautiful version of the holy scriptures. And we do well to appreciate that Gods name Jehovah appears in the King James Version four times: Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; and Isaiah 26:4. I prefer to use a bible that contains gods name as it helps me feel closer to God as friend, not just my creator.The most important thing though is to read the bible and discover its message for us.
 

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This is a new thread every week. I'd say it's beating a dead horse topic myself.
Personally i find the notion silly. There are bad versions out there, no doubt, but it's elitist to assume a one translation is the right one. Especially considering all the other languages the bible gets translated into. I've seen the evidences for and against this idea and i've not budged an inch against the 'king james only' viewpoint. I've felt the notion was silly from day one. Still do. Even in light of the 'evidence' otherwise, which, ironically there's evidence to show the KJV has it's share of problems as well.
I agree. If the Holy Spirit leads you into ALL truth, whatever version you use, truth will result. Of course if the Holy Spirit is not leading you, anything can happens regardless of the version you use.
 
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No It doesnt matter which bible you use. The same message is conveyed in the majority of them, just slightly different wording and/or use or non-use of Gods name. Without question, the King James is a beautiful version of the holy scriptures. And we do well to appreciate that Gods name Jehovah appears in the King James Version four times: Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; and Isaiah 26:4. I prefer to use a bible that contains gods name as it helps me feel closer to God as friend, not just my creator.The most important thing though is to read the bible and discover its message for us.
I used to read other translations too until someone showed me how to understand the symbolism in the KJV... man what an eye opener. I used to struggle with bible reading, it was so boring I had to make myself read it. But now, I can't put it down. It's such an exciting book!
 
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I believe it is the exact opposite, my friend. After much study, I believe that most people who act like they know Hebrew and Greek do so as to ignore the plain straight forward meaning in God's preserved Word for our world language today.

There are two vines. A bad vine and a good vine. In other words, there are two sets of NT Greek manuscripts that folks are basing their English translations off of. One set of manuscripts (that is the good vine), is what the KJV is based off of. The other set of manuscripts (that is the bad vine), is what the majority of Modern Translations are based off of. This second set of Greek manuscripts is the Westcott and Hort New Testament.

Just research these men on the Internet and you will see that they were not even real believers.
"Act like they know Hebrew and Greek". Does this mean that those men who learn Hebrew and Greek should not even try, it is only "acting like".

And who told you that be "good vine" and "bad vine" it can be translated to say it has to do with translations of the bible? That is poor translation of those words.
 
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"Act like they know Hebrew and Greek". Does this mean that those men who learn Hebrew and Greek should not even try, it is only "acting like".

And who told you that be "good vine" and "bad vine" it can be translated to say it has to do with translations of the bible? That is poor translation of those words.
RedTent do you or the average Joe know more about Greek and Hebrew than the scholars who translated the NIV or NASB?
 
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Re: The Authorized Geneva Bible vs that Modernist KJV, unauthorized!

Do I need to back the claim that Google is an internet search engine for it to be true or not? No.
But if you really really really want me to give you research on this. I will make it my mission to exhaust every source that I can find. I merely was trying to get him to look into it because people are not convinced most times when they debate but only when they actually do their own homework.

Anyways, I will need time to gather the information.
So please be patient.
It seems like a rather easy thing to answer, but go right ahead and take your time.
 
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The advantage of the king james is this
It is easy to memorize
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there are good concordances like strongs for it so we can see what the words REALLY mean instead of what king james TOLD them to translate it as.

its the best digging bible we have since we dont speak aramaic
 
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RedTent do you or the average Joe know more about Greek and Hebrew than the scholars who translated the NIV or NASB?
There is a difference between having a basic understanding/appreciation for those languages and knowing more than translators. This topic and others here show time and time again why people who wish to speak seriously about scripture need to have some understanding of the languages. Even basic principles about how language or those languages would help a lot of people. You would not end up with people making silly statements like "perfect translation" or "word for word translation".
 
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Re: The Authorized Geneva Bible vs that Modernist KJV, unauthorized!

if you want to understand the king james quickly and easliy
just buy a 4 in one version parallel bible and read through it the whole bible
mark the verses where king james disagrees with other versions

that is a hot spot, usually a coverup

then go look at the greek words and the coverup is exposed

very easy to do.
 
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Re: The Authorized Geneva Bible vs that Modernist KJV, unauthorized!

other versions are nice to understand

my best bible for clear understanding (though it is still confusing in some verses, but they all have weaknesses)
is the Contemporary Englich Version

it is nice and the new living bible is a close second.

THE MESSAGE BIBLE is really wild, almost like John the baptist would talk

kind of fun but the slang sometimes doesnt fit right. the ideas are very good

1 corinthians in the message bible is AWESOME

I think it is a great bible for kids and gang members who are really really without any social skills at all and they might "get it"

so if you have a wild child that tattoos their eyebrows and has purple hair and has thirty piercings, the message bible might get through to them with a LOT of constant prayer, with a lot of prayer.
 
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I believe it is the exact opposite, my friend. After much study,
Does it involve youtube videos?

I believe that most people who act like they know Hebrew and Greek do so as to ignore the plain straight forward meaning in God's preserved Word for our world language today.
The KJV is not 'God's preserved Word' - it's a translation of what God has revealed to us.

There are two vines. A bad vine and a good vine. In other words, there are two sets of NT Greek manuscripts that folks are basing their English translations off of. One set of manuscripts (that is the good vine), is what the KJV is based off of. The other set of manuscripts (that is the bad vine), is what the majority of Modern Translations are based off of. This second set of Greek manuscripts is the Westcott and Hort New Testament.
False. There are many different manuscripts out there from different regions and eras and the KJV and modern translations rely on both. The difference is that the KJV tended to rely more heavily on the newer Byzantine texts while modern translations tend to favor the older non-Byzantine texts.

There is no reason to accuse one of being 'bad' and the other 'good'. That's silly.
 
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other versions are nice to understand

my best bible for clear understanding (though it is still confusing in some verses, but they all have weaknesses)
is the Contemporary Englich Version

it is nice and the new living bible is a close second.

THE MESSAGE BIBLE is really wild, almost like John the baptist would talk

kind of fun but the slang sometimes doesnt fit right. the ideas are very good

1 corinthians 13 in the message bible is AWESOME!

let me show you! I learned a LOT from the message bible!

1 If I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy but don't love, I'm nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate. 2 If I speak God's Word with power, revealing all his mysteries and making everything plain as day, and if I have faith that says to a mountain, "Jump," and it jumps, but I don't love, I'm nothing. 3 If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don't love, I've gotten nowhere. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I'm bankrupt without love. 4 Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for self. Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, Doesn't have a swelled head, 5Doesn't force itself on others, Isn't always "me first," Doesn't fly off the handle, Doesn't keep score of the sins of others, 6 Doesn't revel when others grovel, Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,7 Puts up with anything, Trusts God always, Always looks for the best, Never looks back, But keeps going to the end. 8 Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. 9 We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. 10 But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled. 11 When I was an infant at my mother's breast, I gurgled and cooed like any infant. When I grew up, I left those infant ways for good. 12 We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us! 13 But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.

I think it is a great bible for kids and gang members who are really really without any social skills at all and they might "get it"

so if you have a wild child that tattoos their eyebrows and has purple hair and has thirty piercings, the message bible might get through to them with a LOT of constant prayer, with a lot of prayer.
 
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LOVE EXTRAVAGANTLY!

Awesome version word choice

Love Extravagantly!

see,

each Bible has its good points and is definitely inspired in various ways

like cherries
lemons and pears and mangoes

lemons are good in their own way and make great drinks
 
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There is a difference between having a basic understanding/appreciation for those languages and knowing more than translators. This topic and others here show time and time again why people who wish to speak seriously about scripture need to have some understanding of the languages. Even basic principles about how language or those languages would help a lot of people. You would not end up with people making silly statements like "perfect translation" or "word for word translation".
Can I show you what Greek and Hebrew do for people? This proves that even those who seem to be the experts in the dead languages actually don't understand the languages. Only God is capable of translating his word. Remember, the guys who did this are experts in the languages.

2 Chronicles
NASB
2 Ahaziah was [b]twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the [c]granddaughter of Omri.

KJV
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

 
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I have often wondered and considered If the true word of God is presented in Hebrew and Greek. Then why doesn't He give us understanding of the Hebrew and Greek. I meant if it was that important then all believers should now these languages. Instead He gave us the KJV which is close enough that God is satisfied with it.
 
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What did the devil do with God's Word in Genesis chapter 3?

He told Eve a corrupted version of it. The devil was subtle in his deception on twisting God's Word. Nothing has changed. There is nothing new under the sun. The devil is still up to his old trick in Genesis 3 and people just don't want to see it.

In 157AD apprx. There existed the Latin Static Bible. This also went by the name of "Vulgate", which means "Common Bible."

This Bible existed long before the Roman Catholic religion had created the Vaticanus or their version of the Latin Vulgate.

The Preserved Word of God in English, Part 2
 
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I have often wondered and considered If the true word of God is presented in Hebrew and Greek. Then why doesn't He give us understanding of the Hebrew and Greek. I meant if it was that important then all believers should now these languages. Instead He gave us the KJV which is close enough that God is satisfied with it.
Nah, I see that Hebrews and Greeks and any other still believe in LUCK, therefore they are all the same as we are, you know!
 
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Nah, I see that Hebrews and Greeks and any other still believe in LUCK, therefore they are all the same as we are, you know!
No such thing as luck. Everything has a reason. Cause and effect. Action, equal reaction. No magic, no luck.